Why do people hate Torags so much?

[3hitm4g3u]

1). Torags looks ugly. Pot belly for the loss.

 

 

 

2). Too much defence bonus makes me feel sick.

 

 

 

3). Torags is the cheapest. This will always make it the first choice for noobs (actual noobs I mean, not just torag wearers) who have just got 70 defence.

 

 

 

4). Set effect is rubbish. Even though most torags users only get it for the defence bonus, this still contributes to the nooby look.

 

 

 

5). You can have the same defence bonus and look a hell of a lot cooler by mix and matching.

 

 

 

sometimes it is simply about looks. And torag was one ugly mofo.

 

 

 

Bear in mind I do not myself personally insult players for wearing torag's. It is a completely logical choice and I acknowledge that.

[newge4]

I would always use torag top and legs for slaying. Would carry full guthan in inv(didn't want it to degrade from lots of use) for healing. Now, my torag armor sits dusty and unloved in the depths of my bank (actually guthan's is starting to get pretty dusty too). When I did use it, it was for the reasons you mentioned.....cheap and best def in the game. I could care less what anyone else had to say about it...they were just probably jealous of my hawt pot belly :D

[Hernet0]

I think torag's armor is great (the weapon sucks). There are only two differences between it and other barrows armor not counting the set effect.

 

1st: It gives a little more range defence

 

2nd: It cost 6.5m less that guthan and close to a 1m-1.5m than the next cheapest.

 

 

 

I use torag's armor (no weapon) if I don't need a guthan set to heal and I need defence for like barrows. I don't train in it though I am the "torso/d platelegs" trainer. Also I use it for say a hard boss wear defence and a 23 hit is more important than a low defence and a 25.

[Sir_Redhead]

Personally, IM a bandos guy. But I used to use torags back in the day, that was the awsomeness thing ever lol. I got flamed a lot for wearing it, not sure why though. It made me happy in combat situations.

[amitoz]

Cheap, quality armor. Decent looks.

 

 

 

People love str, and hate def. There you go.

[Haaa_Haaa0]

Two words: "Def Noob." The stigma that if you cannot hit high and with some regularity, you must be inefficent in combat. This, however, is untrue. I beat a strength pure about my same level, when i had 65 attack, strength, 70 defense, and 45 prayer by using Torag's and praying. He was wearing the classic dragon legs with a fighter torso, but because of his decreased defence was an easy target for even me. Granted, it was all in fun, but i still was repeatedly flamed by him. Also, I will openly admit that the special is horrid, and the Hammers aren't very good. But by using less food when training, on, say, the level 50 spiders in the stronghold of security, it easily covers the cost of the repairs. And even if it isnt really effective in combat, I still always get a kick out of people in Castle Wars who repeatedly exclaim "Def Noob!" when I don't get hit as often as they would like to :thumbsup: .

[Deathmath]

Two words: "Def Noob." The stigma that if you cannot hit high and with some regularity, you must be inefficent in combat. This, however, is untrue. I beat a strength pure about my same level, when i had 65 attack, strength, 70 defense, and 45 prayer by using Torag's and praying. He was wearing the classic dragon legs with a fighter torso, but because of his decreased defence was an easy target for even me. Granted, it was all in fun, but i still was repeatedly flamed by him. Also, I will openly admit that the special is horrid, and the Hammers aren't very good. But by using less food when training, on, say, the level 50 spiders in the stronghold of security, it easily covers the cost of the repairs. And even if it isnt really effective in combat, I still always get a kick out of people in Castle Wars who repeatedly exclaim "Def Noob!" when I don't get hit as often as they would like to :thumbsup: .

 

 

 

Yeah, and it's not exactly pretty, but it's not as ugly as people think. Also if you die I don't want to replace a guthan's helm...

[Haaa_Haaa0]

Yeah, and it's not exactly pretty, but it's not as ugly as people think. Also if you die I don't want to replace a guthan's helm...

 

 

 

Looks? I'd rather be the potbellied *cabbage* and be able to beat you to a bloody pulp than be a rich, elegant, and worthless fighter. Doesn't matter how bad you look if you can make the other guy look worse :twisted: .

[Owned_Nex]

Why do people hate it?

 

 

 

Str. To most people str matters.

 

 

 

Look at zerker rings, fire capes, and bandos.

 

 

 

Just because they offer str, people want them. They are much more expensive then their counterparts.

 

 

 

Torags is nice, but if you rely on defensive, you can't win.

[funnisam]

torags has the best melee def stats of all armour, but bandos has 1 more range def in each the chest and leg components of the set. torag and guth helm have exactly the same bonuses in all def.

 

 

 

i personally use a torag helm most of them time, as its bonuses are pretty good and it looks cool. i think the main reason people hate torags is because of its set effect being kinda piss poor.

[whitetalonn]

Most people who make a negative comment about Torags are wearing a torso and dragon legs, obviously favoring strength boosts over increased defense, thinking anyone who favors different tactics is a noob.

 

well thats just how the world thinks isnt it? hit harder, have a higher combat lvl and ur better. thats why u see so many people having strength and attack skillcapes, but much fewer having defence skillcapes.torags is still one of the best armours in the game, and u shouldnt care about what people think or say to affect your opinion :)

[Will H]

Just don't complain. If you can beat the people who think that strength is the only melee skill worth training, be happy about that.

[Alg]

 

Torags is nice, but if you rely on defensive, you can't win.

 

Often it's used alongside offense, I'm sure. In this game, you really can't rely on defence, though if you have enough for good armor, it'll help. You don't have to focus on defence to use it like most people think you have to focus on strength.

[jonathanfox5]

People think it is nooby => nobody wants to buy it => it gets cheaper.

 

 

 

I'm not complaining at all. I personally always wear torag's plate regardless of whether i am training or fighting - its defence bonuses are too good to miss. I will also swap my d legs with torag's legs as well depending on how much def i need (i use d legs to save me a bit of cash on low hitting slayer tasks as the extra def from torag's legs is not needed, especially when i am only using 8 pieces of food (or less) for the entire trip).

 

 

 

I like to mix and match my armour so that i can then use the extra def to make up for that lost when i, for example, use a rune defender instead of a better shield and get attack + str bonuses for it. (i.e if i use torag's body i have extra defence that makes up for the loss of the defence by "downgrading" to a rune defender whilst still giving me attack + str bonuses). I never use the full set though - i find it far more effective to play around with my armour.

[amitoz]

 

 

 

It also costs over twice as much, and you look like an idiot because instead of using Dharok's Helm you're using a Guthan Helm, negating a good set effect just for a misguided sense of fashion :lol:.

 

 

 

Dharok helm is less defence then guthan/torag~verac.

[amitoz]

 

Torags is nice, but if you rely on defensive, you can't win.

 

Often it's used alongside offense, I'm sure. In this game, you really can't rely on defence, though if you have enough for good armor, it'll help. You don't have to focus on defence to use it like most people think you have to focus on strength.

 

 

 

 

 

Well obviously you're not going to wear a DFS and maple (d) blackjack. A good offence is a good defence, so a whip and defender with torags is pretty ideal.

[Alg]

 

Torags is nice, but if you rely on defensive, you can't win.

 

Often it's used alongside offense, I'm sure. In this game, you really can't rely on defence, though if you have enough for good armor, it'll help. You don't have to focus on defence to use it like most people think you have to focus on strength.

 

 

 

 

 

Well obviously you're not going to wear a DFS and maple (d) blackjack. A good offence is a good defence, so a whip and defender with torags is pretty ideal.

 

Especially because you can just let the armor sit and do it's work. You really don't have to consciously block attacks, use the terrain to deflect hits, etc. that you'd see in other games. A defensive strategy on Runescape is pretty much an offensive strategy with a few equipment variations.

[Troacctid]

Torag's helm has the exact same stats as Guthan's helm.

 

Torag's platebody has the same stats as Guthan's platebody and Dharok's platebody.

 

Torag's platelegs have the same stats as Dharok's platelegs.

 

And Torag's hammers are garbage weapons.

 

 

 

Since Torag has a lame set effect but Dharok and Guthan have good set effects, people use the latter two instead, and they get the same stats.

[De_Lille_D]

Why are players so biased against this armor when it looks great and (correct me with proof if I'm wrong) has the best defense stats in the game? Is it because it's so cheap and yet so good especially when mixed and matched that in the opinion of other players using Torags is just a case of gross 'noobish' indulgence?

 

Here are the reasons I think Torag isn't very popular amongst players:

 

- Torag is the easiest of the Barrow brothers and the armour is cheap => Torag is seen as a nooby.

 

- The Torag Platebody looks weird: it looks like you are pregnant...

 

- The set effect isn't impressive like the other melee Barrows: reducing run energy isn't as interesting as hitting an 80 or healing yourself.

 

 

 

Possible solution:There are several Barrows item which have the same stats as the Torag items:

 

* Torag helm is the same as Guthans and Verac Helm

 

* Torag Platebody is the same as Guthans and Dharok Platbody

 

* Torag Platelegs is the same as Verac and Dharok Platelegs

 

 

 

You could replace your Torag with Guthans set, and keep the Torag legs as extra defense. This way, you'll be able to use the heal effect when you need to, and still have optimal defense. However, this will cost you ...

 

It all boils down to how much you value other peoples opinion about what you wear. (Or you could mix around the Barrow armours...)

 

 

 

Most people who make a negative comment about Torags are wearing a torso and dragon legs, obviously favoring strength boosts over increased defense, thinking anyone who favors different tactics is a noob. I've also noticed that the popularity of fighter torsos has exploded both as training (I also get more people ridiculing me for training in rune now -.- ) and PK armor, probably leading to an increased stigma against anything with decent defense bonuses.

 

You should know that pkers are a special kind of Runescape players and that they generally have no respect whatsoever for anyone who is different from them. They see defense as a bad thing, because it makes fights last long (harder to get hit and both sides hit less because of no extra attack bonuses) and are willing to laugh at anyone who thinks defense is important.

 

 

 

Personally, I prefer high attack over high defense, because it means the fight will be over quicker (even though you get hit more and will need more food). I'm willing to pay to get the fight (usually with slayer monsters) over a little faster. But at no point will I laugh at someone else because they chose to have a different opinion...

[michel555555]

i've often wondered y ppl hate torags so much as well

 

 

 

ppl will say to mix and match the sets but just keep the torags just get rid of hams and get a dfs and u'll be unstopable :D :D :D

[The_Who]

I wear a Torag plate and Verac skirt during games of Castle Wars and I must say that it rivals Bandos in effectiveness. Sure Bandos has a slight strength bonus, but the increased defense of Torag while carrying the flag is invaluable. Armadyl + Torag = the best combination for a flag runner.

 

 

 

People generally insult others with Torag because it's considered cheap and by their logic, inferior. But honestly, what is inferior about armor that costs under a mil and has the best defence bonuses in the game?

[Troacctid]

I wear a Torag plate and Verac skirt during games of Castle Wars and I must say that it rivals Bandos in effectiveness. Sure Bandos has a slight strength bonus, but the increased defense of Torag while carrying the flag is invaluable. Armadyl + Torag = the best combination for a flag runner.

 

 

 

People generally insult others with Torag because it's considered cheap and by their logic, inferior. But honestly, what is inferior about armor that costs under a mil and has the best defence bonuses in the game?

 

Torag's and Dharok's plate and legs cost the same and give the same bonuses. That means it's only the helm that's cheaper with better defence, and tbh I'd almost always rather have a Helm of Neitiznot.

[oropher]

Well, I used to have bandos, but nowadays I have been using torags for slayer. I haven't seen anyone make a negative comment about that. Imo there aren't alot of people that hate torags ...

[Scion06]

I never have understood the "noobishness" of torag... Maybe it's because it's cheaper than the other sets, or is it that the set effect isn't as epic as others... Honestly I have never seen more than like 5 players a month actually wielding torag's hammers... I think all of it has to do with price...

 

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[Deathmath]

Mix and match?

 

I'm saving for some torag's pieces, i'd like verac's but they're real pricey. I'll probably have helm of neitzenot/torag's/best gauntlets possible for RFD/dragon boots/whip (once I have 70 def/atk)