Attention all Offtopic Users...Project Offtopic is Underway

[anonymous1234]

Project Offtopic seems to be working out very well. I've noticed an increase of users posting thoughtfully and in respectful ways on threads. Thank you to all of you who are observing our rules and making Offtopic a pleasant place to hang out.

 

 

 

~Turtle

 

 

 

That post was ironic :? . Seriously, OT has had more immature people making topics since this announcement. Don't believe me? Please click these links:

 

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753109 || viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753118 || viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753110

 

 

 

 

 

*All I am saying is, PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL RIGHT, IT'S BEGINNING TO PISS ME OFF.*

 

That's only 1 person. So you can't really say more people are doing it. And that guy was banned, why is he no longer?

Actually, its 2 people; TheChamp and the jluurdds guy or w/e his name is. And Rainy Day, I honestly can't read their posts. I try, but it seriously is impossible. :wall:

[Da Pirates]

 

Actually, its 2 people; TheChamp and the jluurdds guy or w/e his name is

 

 

 

This is what I am talking about. Seriously, read their post history. Why won't the mods ban them already? They provide nothing positive to our community.

[rushrock]

I know they seem like pretty bad posters, but you can't just ban them like that. They didn't break any rule. It wouldn't be justified in any way.

[Lionheart_0]

 

Actually, its 2 people; TheChamp and the jluurdds guy or w/e his name is

 

 

 

This is what I am talking about. Seriously, read their post history. Why won't the mods ban them already? They provide nothing positive to our community.

 

 

 

 

 

The same could be for a lot of the community.

 

 

 

If you can't understand someone's post, ignore it, ok?

 

 

 

Also mods can't ban...

[ThurinEthir]

I know they seem like pretty bad posters, but you can't just ban them like that. They didn't break any rule. It wouldn't be justified in any way.

 

Consistent spamming? I'm pretty sure there's a rule against it...

 

It depends what you count as spam though...I personally think those two guys are spamming, mods/admins might not though. But yea, there is no rule against being annoying. :|

[Da Pirates]

I know they seem like pretty bad posters, but you can't just ban them like that. They didn't break any rule. It wouldn't be justified in any way.

 

Consistent spamming? I'm pretty sure there's a rule against it...

 

It depends what you count as spam though...I personally think those two guys are spamming, mods/admins might not though. But yea, there is no rule against being annoying. :|

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753259 :-w

[rushrock]

I know they seem like pretty bad posters, but you can't just ban them like that. They didn't break any rule. It wouldn't be justified in any way.

 

Consistent spamming? I'm pretty sure there's a rule against it...

 

It depends what you count as spam though...I personally think those two guys are spamming, mods/admins might not though. But yea, there is no rule against being annoying. :|

 

They're posting with that attitude, I know, but they can't be banned for just that. They were probably warned, though.

[rushrock]

I'm sure TheChamp will be warned for that thread, Mlbfan.

[Da Pirates]

Another one viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753261 :-w

 

 

 

EDIT: Just got locked.

[PoorLepRecon]

Project Offtopic seems to be working out very well. I've noticed an increase of users posting thoughtfully and in respectful ways on threads. Thank you to all of you who are observing our rules and making Offtopic a pleasant place to hang out.

 

 

 

~Turtle

 

 

 

That post was ironic :? . Seriously, OT has had more immature people making topics since this announcement. Don't believe me? Please click these links:

 

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753109 || viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753118 || viewtopic.php?f=10&t=753110

 

 

 

 

 

*All I am saying is, PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL RIGHT, IT'S BEGINNING TO PISS ME OFF.*

 

That's only 1 person. So you can't really say more people are doing it. And that guy was banned, why is he no longer?

 

 

 

I agree with Lenin. There are people who were banned before the rollback who arn't banned now (like shadowfax and bubsa), so why arn't they banned now? Why do they get a second chance, when they screwed up the first time...

[rushrock]

There isn't much harm in second chances for some people. Why do you care so much?

[Da Pirates]

 

I agree with Lenin. There are people who were banned before the rollback who arn't banned now (like shadowfax and bubsa), so why arn't they banned now? Why do they get a second chance, when they screwed up the first time...

 

 

 

Well, people like Shadowfax and Bubsa, their positive contributions to OT outweigh the things they said that got them them banned. But people like Jb and TheChamp, have not contributed one positive to Tipit, and should be banned, regular trolls, they are.

[PoorLepRecon]

 

I agree with Lenin. There are people who were banned before the rollback who arn't banned now (like shadowfax and bubsa), so why arn't they banned now? Why do they get a second chance, when they screwed up the first time...

 

 

 

Well, people like Shadowfax and Bubsa, their positive contributions to OT outweigh the things they said that got them them banned. But people like Jb and TheChamp, have not contributed one positive to Tipit, and should be banned, regular trolls, they are.

 

 

 

I don't think that they should be banned, as they have not really done anything wrong (except make a few spam threads). Now I'm not saying they arn't annoying, and that having to scowl the internet for a translater isn't frustrating, but they still havn't done much to get them banned IMHO. Stealing threads just gives us another topic to discuss, making us think the opposite of what we had in the previous thread. They are helping our OT forum, just they are a bit annoying.

[Da Pirates]

 

I don't think that they should be banned, as they have not really done anything wrong (except make a few spam threads). Now I'm not saying they arn't annoying, and that having to scowl the internet for a translater isn't frustrating, but they still havn't done much to get them banned IMHO. Stealing threads just gives us another topic to discuss, making us think the opposite of what we had in the previous thread. They are helping our OT forum, just they are a bit annoying.

 

 

 

The problem is they're more than annoying, they are trolls. Is trolling against Tipit rules? I sure know making spam threads are.

 

 

 

Oh and if you don't know what a troll is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

[ThurinEthir]

 

 

 

The problem is they're more than annoying, they are trolls. Is trolling against Tipit rules? I sure know making spam threads are.

 

 

 

Oh and if you don't know what a troll is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

 

People change though. For example, take Happysniff. Before this, he was the mega-troll. Agreed? Now, his posts contribute to the discussion. They're in proper grammar and spelling. Who knows if the same will happen to TheChamp/jbrulessd?

 

Though there is a rule against pointlessly bumping old threads, which Jb did. However, I wouldn't say that's enough to deem a ban, but mixed in with spamming/trolling...Maybe.

 

Let's let the admins/mods do their jobs though, it's not our call.

[Da Pirates]

 

 

 

The problem is they're more than annoying, they are trolls. Is trolling against Tipit rules? I sure know making spam threads are.

 

 

 

Oh and if you don't know what a troll is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

 

People change though. For example, take Happysniff. Before this, he was the mega-troll. Agreed? Now, his posts contribute to the discussion. They're in proper grammar and spelling. Who knows if the same will happen to TheChamp/jbrulessd?

 

Though there is a rule against pointlessly bumping old threads, which Jb did. However, I wouldn't say that's enough to deem a ban, but mixed in with spamming/trolling...Maybe.

 

Let's let the admins/mods do their jobs though, it's not our call.

 

 

 

Yeah, what happened to happysniff? He used to be like JB/TheChamp. Although the odds of that happening again are slim to none. I say mods should hand out more bans. Come on, if we give JB/TheChamp anymore lenience they'll abuse it, I say ban them now to avoid any further conflicts with them.

 

 

 

EDIT: And the mods have to babysit those two, just look at the "what are your flaws thread" Lion had rewrite the entire thread. I mean seriously, learn to speak English correctly or don't use these forums.

[Ginger_Warrior]

 

I agree with Lenin. There are people who were banned before the rollback who arn't banned now (like shadowfax and bubsa), so why arn't they banned now? Why do they get a second chance, when they screwed up the first time...

 

 

 

Well, people like Shadowfax and Bubsa, their positive contributions to OT outweigh the things they said that got them them banned. But people like Jb and TheChamp, have not contributed one positive to Tipit, and should be banned, regular trolls, they are.

 

I disagree completely. If what they did was so bad that they were permanently banned (as opposed to a temporary ban), then they shouldn't allowed back. It's as simple as. Even Bubsa himself recognised that his contributions to the forums shouldn't make him an exceptional case. I've actually checked his profile. It says he's logged on since the forum rollback, but he hasn't posted anything. Full respect to the guy for taking responsibility for his actions.

 

 

 

The fact is you cannot ban someone for making threads you aren't personally interested in. For two reasons:

 

 

 

A) You can just *shock* avoid the thread; and

 

B) If we did, Tip.It would become a community of about 1,000 active users with the same, or similar, personalities. That doesn't make for a vibrant healthy and diverse community at all. It just increases hostility towards those who are different.

 

 

 

I don't actually mind the more shallow, chitty-chatty threads. If half of this board is going to become full of political threads where flaming is naturally higher, your average person seriously isn't going to be interested.

 

 

 

As for grammar and spelling, all it requires is a polite notice in a reply to ask them to improve or at least put it through some sort of spell-checker, not backseat moderating, flames, petty insults and requests for such people to be banned.

[Turtlefemm]

While there are always going to be annoying posters, and people who spam, flame, break rules in all areas of the forum, overall Offtopic HAS become a much nicer forum. It is sometimes human nature to pick out only the worst of something, and I'm sure we could pick through any forum and make statements that the forums suck because of those things. There will never be perfection. It doesn't exist. I personally have found many interesting topics and posts and discussions here that were difficult to find or not there at all before project offtopic got underway.

 

 

 

Perfect spelling is not a requirement on our forums. Coherency... that is sometimes an issue, and it is interesting how the very people who complain about it, bash and slam the ones who are struggling to make themselves understood. I find it much more unacceptable when I see a member of our forums insulting someone for his imperfect grammar and spelling. Many folks are using English as a second or even third language. Many others are still learning how to speak via typing. There is no reason to make them feel bad when they try to communicate. It is possible to ask someone to try to type more clearly without being nasty and hateful about it.

 

 

 

~Turtle

[Wisp]

Actual, ginger, bubs was banned in septemberish, so the rollback wouldn't have affected him. He probably logged on to see if there was anything new about his account status.

[dsavi]

Look at his profile, his rank isn't "Banned" anymore, it's back to Troll General. I don't know what that means.

[Wisp]

Huh. We could always ask him via facebook or something

[Ginger_Warrior]

Actual, ginger, bubs was banned in septemberish, so the rollback wouldn't have affected him. He probably logged on to see if there was anything new about his account status.

 

Nonetheless, he didn't post, and he could have very well done so considering he has two charity threads.

[ThurinEthir]

Actual, ginger, bubs was banned in septemberish, so the rollback wouldn't have affected him. He probably logged on to see if there was anything new about his account status.

 

Nonetheless, he didn't post, and he could have very well done so considering he has two charity threads.

 

...That were long dead. Though remembered by many people. :|

 

Anyway, just saying, I'm pretty sure I remember there being mass un-bannings before. Meaning the admins gave second chances to a lot of people. Why not give second chances to people that were banned before the rollback as well? (It depends on why people were un-banned before, I guess. I don't know if it was a technical reason or if the admins just felt like it)

 

And Turtlefemm...While I agree that perfect English is not needed, and that there have been a lot of people who have English as a second/third/fourth/etc. language (I guess you could say I'm one of them...), I'm 90% sure that these guys are purposely typing like idiots. And they've been asked...I guess not very nicely though. #-o

[Da Pirates]

I'm 90% sure that these guys are purposely typing like idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

This is EXACTLY what I mean.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I'm 90% sure that these guys are purposely typing like idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

This is EXACTLY what I mean.

 

Before I go on, I realise this is an announcement and my staff rank may be seen as an official Tip.It view. I want to say that is definitely NOT the case, and this is my personal opinion.

 

 

 

But so what if they are? I agree with you when you say it's horrible to read. I too usually type in full prose, even on an IM service. It just seems natural to me. However, you have to realise most people don't attempt to write in perfect grammar while they're on the Internet.

 

 

 

txt-speak has, whether you like it or not, become the social norm in how people communicate using the written word, and I'm not going to sit on my high horse and criticise others because they've missed out capital letters or punctuation when it's actually me in the minority who write in perfect grammar. All I ask is they attempt to put enough grammar to make the thread readable, and if people do genuinely have trouble reading what they're saying, that they go back and rewrite it instead of relying on a mod to clear up the mess, or replying with flames.

 

 

 

If anything, I've found talking in txt-speak is actually more relaxing, which reduces tension, although obviously I'd still prefer to read good English.

 

 

 

We've got to make Forum.Tip.It a generally more welcoming experience though, and flaming others for not using grammar is just a show of needless hostility, and could possibly even cause personal offence if the person in question suffers from dyslexia, or another learning disability.