How is it back and strong..? It didn't go away in the first place, so how can it come back? It's just a lot weaker at the moment, at least there aint tons of autoers chopping yews etc anymore.

 

 

 

Have you even read the development diaries?

I believe a good saying would be "Apples and Oranges"...

 

 

 

If you're going to do a similar point as someone else on these boards, at least listen to the criticisms that he/she recieved.

 

 

 

The trade, wilderness, and arena updates were to stop the transferring of money. Your update ideas, if they were added instead of the above ones, would limit levelling, gathering, and time ingame, while leaving transfers of items intact.

 

If you think about it, such updates would make RWT'ing more used, as people would gladly pay others to 'break' the limits.

 

 

 

Really, Transferring wealth =/= Gathering resources. That's what the updates were. It can still be done, but it's nowhere near as easy as it once was, is it?

Honestly, Zierro is right here. I was thinking this whole time that your only proof behind the "increase" in RWT was due to 6/10 sites from a Google Search. That's not substantial evidence to be even considered. Google searches can be in a result of how accurate your search box is to relavent information on a certain website. I know some sites put up a certain word (using Runescape as this word for example) to increase it's hit size for Google. Don't you think that RWT sites want more people to come to them? So thusly they add more "Runescape"s scattered around the site.

 

 

 

If that is the only evidence you have to back up your statement that "RWT is back and strong" by going with your title, then I can't believe you at all. Since the December updates, RWT was hit hard, and pretty substantially as well. I do admit, it was not deleted in all of entirities, but that can't help. People will go to far lengths to get the money or levels they want. So even with all the updates, it has never dissapeared, and I believe it never will, but I do believe that it is NOT "back and strong."

Why can't Jagex be a little more like Blizzard and NOT CARE?! I don't see anything on worldofwarcraft.com saying anything about RWT!

 

 

 

Thats because WoW formed a LAWSUIT against RWTing, and won. That's why you don't see it.

 

 

 

 

Know what you're talking about. WoW won that lawsuit because the bot was spamming the chatbox. Not for the main reason of RWT.

You know, if youre so sick of this stuff then QUIT RUNESCAPE God, quit runescape and stick to reality, its just a game after all

Why can't Jagex be a little more like Blizzard and NOT CARE?! I don't see anything on worldofwarcraft.com saying anything about RWT!

 

 

 

Thats because WoW formed a LAWSUIT against RWTing, and won. That's why you don't see it.

 

 

 

 

Know what you're talking about. WoW won that lawsuit because the bot was spamming the chatbox. Not for the main reason of RWT.

 

 

 

But the bot was RWTing. Therefore, it was a lawsuit against a form of RWTing. Sorry if I wasn't specific or sounded wrong, but thats what I meant.

Well we all know why they made the updates, yet they made them for no reason. RWT is indeed alive and well.

 

 

 

I challenge anyone who denies this to google "Runescape" since I don't think I can post the results here. You will notice that on the FIRST page of results 6 out of 10 of the results are indeed RWT sites. Obviously Rwt is alive and well. 10 Gold sites show up before Tip.it even.

 

 

 

So my question is, what are they going to do this time? The same problems are soon going to be popping up everywhere again, if they aren't already. ( The stolen credit cards )

 

 

 

One possibe way to combat this, is to set a limit on the ammount of play time you can be on per day since people will pay RWT to no life on your account and get you a 99.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

They could set a limit on the ammount of xp you can gain per day.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

You can only fish/wc/make x ammounts of this type of item per day.

 

 

 

 

 

This doesn't sound like fun now does it? But these moves can be "justified" by the same reasons that the wild/staking/free trade was taken out.

 

 

 

 

 

But hey guys who cares right? You'll just GET OVER IT that you can only gain so much xp per day or play so many hours per day.

 

Or instead of trying to spit in our faces, you could just help out and suggest something instead of flaming people who tell you to adapt -.-

 

I won't say that Jagex wouldn't do this (who knows with them in their little British workshop near the north pole, wait, not that close ;) ). But I'm pretty sure that RWT is almost dead for two reasons: 1. can you tell me a loophole or exploit in transferring items? I can't.

 

2. I actually found the same thing on google. Peeking my curiosity, I looked on a random site to see how they "made" money. I lmao when I found that all they were doing was bulking up characters and selling them. Not actually farming gold, just farming accounts :lol:

 

 

 

It's fairly easy for Jagex to track ip's, and repeatedly making lvl 100's would be demoralizing to the labor force.

 

 

 

I still feel "dirty" even though I didn't do anything on those sites. I just feel really bad with being "in the presence" of these sad [cabbage]s who make a business by exploiting cheap labor :evil: . Ah well, I least I can laugh at those RWt since they're scrambling to get back up on their feet. Speaking of which...

 

*zelda1346 hacks her xbox and gets a spartan laser. Then grabs Vegita's scouter and scans the nearest video game mall for RWT.*

 

In the distance:

 

"Owned. I shot their feet off" \ :thumbsup:

I like the idea of time limiting.

 

 

 

12 hours is way more time than anyone should be playing RS, let alone sit in front of a computer, if not less. Skill bot efficiencies will be cut in half.

 

 

 

I say something around 8-10 hours is good. If you disagree, you're addicted to RS and should find a hobby, perhaps HALO jumping with the SAS or pole-vaulting the Grand Canyon and other chasms :

My first thought as to when I read this thread was that this was pretty much the same ol' nonsense coming from our most beloved troll. But I wanted to be the better man and give you the benefit of the doubt, so I checked the sites personally.

 

 

 

What I found:

 

 

 

* Every site wants credentials -- username, password, PIN, recoveries, etc., before ANY gold is transferred, period.

 

* Every site needs a LOT of time for you to transfer goods, especially on a freeplay account -- consider that it's a rate of 12K/hr on freeplay, which means for 1M, you'd need to wait about 83 1/3 hours to get fully paid. Depending on how much more gold you bought, you can double or triple that amount of time. Natrually, BH is a faster way to do it, but it's much more risky. Didn't see any mention of BH, though. Sorry.

 

 

 

What I didn't find:

 

 

 

* Evidence that RWT is back and/or strong.

 

* Evidence that macroing is back or will become rampant again.

 

* Evidence that any of these sites even had gold to be selling in the first place.

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you. RWT was never given a true killing blow. That just can't happen -- it's too numerous and hard to combat in legal battles. What RWT was given was a severely hobbling blow, which in effect, caused a fatal wound. RWT will bleed for years at this obviously slowed rate of development instead of flourish.

 

 

 

I suppose that my first hunch was right. This ain't the era of McCarthyism anymore, so until you get some real evidence, all of your posts are a mathematical error.

Even if RWT was back, jagex would more likely simply get rid of bh instead of setting skilling limits.

 

 

 

Oh, and about the 12 hour limit: viewtopic.php?p=4816288

 

I know that's an idiotic thing to do, but still, they don't deserve to be banned for that :?

Well one way to stop it for sure is to stop free trade totally. And then remove gaining items from BH. Setting limits on what you can get from skills isn't a viable solution, but setting a limit on how much you play per day may be...

 

 

 

And I agree with Makoto as well ;)

Well one way to stop it for sure is to stop free trade totally. And then remove gaining items from BH. Setting limits on what you can get from skills isn't a viable solution, but setting a limit on how much you play per day may be...

 

 

 

And I agree with Makoto as well ;)

 

I think about 10 hours maximum is good too. Maybe a max of 5 hours at a time though. It would lock an account for three hours. Within that set of 5 hours, for every three minutes that you are off-line, you gain 1 minute of online play until you either get past 7 pm GMT (2 pm eastern) or you play for 5 hours. At that time, you are teleported by evil bob to lumbridge who then curses you and auto logs you and then locks the ip for maybe 2 or 3 hours. At that time you can play for another 5 hours. You shouldn't suggest the time thing to Blizzard. If they implemented that their players couldn't play for 24 hours straight and only 23 hours a day, I bet their rants forum would be filled to the brim :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look at the yew trees. Now what do you see there. Nothing? Exactly. No bald headed tan panted leeches endlessly chopping. The updates helped. The updates were needed. Honestly, Eatrunearrow.. please.. please.. just get over it.

 

 

 

 

 

You don't get it. Just because you don't see thousands of little green men chopping yews down doesn't mean there isn't RWT going on. The problem was the stolen credit cards.

 

 

 

What i do know is that the updates limit them. A lot more than they were limited before December. The wild was sacrificed, but for something a lot better.

 

 

 

What is this better thing you speak of? Rwt is still here and it's growing. It's getting to be as popular as before the updates again. Google results do not lie.

 

Really were are not perfect, we are still humans and there will always be those who will always try to find a lazy or evil way around it. Trust me have you been to last NOV in f2p, there were like 15 Bald headed guys at 2 Yew Spots >.<. Yes RWT is still here but it's not as strong as it was last year. What your asking for is, well Communism........

 

 

 

I realise it's here. It's still a pitiful, shallow version of what it once was. And i really do fail to see how it would grow.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it's not as big as it used to be, yet. But at the current rate it's going it won't be long. I'd say it's already here pretty good considering RWT sites hold 6 out of the 10 results on the first page of google..

 

 

 

The only reason that RWT sites are up on top is because majority of people want a Lazy way a, a sleazy way of getting money. Goggling website's is what Majority of players do, just to cheat.....

 

It's a Wonderful World Afterall -.- This is an old phrase that you say when the worst of people or the world show themselves.

Oops! My bad hitted quote instead of Edit >.

Look at the yew trees. Now what do you see there. Nothing? Exactly. No bald headed tan panted leeches endlessly chopping. The updates helped. The updates were needed. Honestly, Eatrunearrow.. please.. please.. just get over it.

 

they actually had tan SHIRTS and green pants :

Look at the yew trees. Now what do you see there. Nothing? Exactly. No bald headed tan panted leeches endlessly chopping. The updates helped. The updates were needed. Honestly, Eatrunearrow.. please.. please.. just get over it.

 

they actually had tan SHIRTS and green pants :

 

 

 

With bald heads and goatees

I like the idea of time limiting.

 

 

 

12 hours is way more time than anyone should be playing RS, let alone sit in front of a computer, if not less. Skill bot efficiencies will be cut in half.

 

 

 

I say something around 8-10 hours is good. If you disagree, you're addicted to RS and should find a hobby, perhaps HALO jumping with the SAS or pole-vaulting the Grand Canyon and other chasms :

 

 

 

yeah but when you live in a place where every one has at least 1 acre of land, the nearest "store" is over 1 mile and a half away (a&p), there's no one in your immediate residence that you can hang out with/talk too, your parents are divorced therefore eliminating the possibility of a possible plan to go somewhere or have a job *ahem life ahem*, no responsibilities other than household chores that take less than 1 hour of your time, and your xbox360 is broken while your wii has only wii sports on it then i can safely assume that the long hours of runescape can be seen as unhealthy yes but also pretty much the only thing you can do. :geek:

 

 

 

halo is dumb by the way. only the first two are good the 3rd BLOWS.

*Puts Bounty Hunter on the chopping block*

 

 

 

*Hovers axe over it*

I've moved this to debates as this topic has great potential.

so tip it sees great power in this debate...then 2 cents it is

 

 

 

on one penny, we see rwt in a horrid way, with free trade taken away and the only way to gain money to either wait for days or go to bounty hunter. No more little men crowding up the servers doing things like yews or flax, and with the amount of stuff jagex put in like the ge and the infinate store stock (a completely different debate i'm sure, but that's for another time) runescape has become a better, if not drastically different game.

 

 

 

on the other penny, now events are on the horizion that bring back rwt...and if it wasn't for the fact that most of these include either giving away passwords to let other people play the game, they might actually be taken seriously. what i'm surprised is that you don't see things like buy a friend services, where you pay a company real money and they help you by bringing you free food while you're fighting or just giving you money as you mine or fish or whatever you want to do.

 

 

 

of course, going back to the first penny, this all pales in comparision to the times when rwt could be done at the click of a button, and jagex has been continuing to raise awareness of these, that even the greatest promise could be a scam(again, another debate).

 

 

 

so the real question is not how to combat it, but should it be combated. obviously both players and rwt's are going above and beyond the call of duty to buy or sell an illegal service. but it's definately not being done on the same scale as before, and what is being done is a lot harder and riskier than before, which is exactly what rwt is not about.

 

 

 

So...this got sort of ranty and not debatey. Should the rwt keep on fishing once the trout moved upstream, metaphorically speaking. RWT is a hassle more than anything. The list of potentional customers is laughable now that the effort that goes into it is either the same as it would be playing the game or the risk is not worth the reward.

 

 

 

off topic:As for how much time someone should be playing runescape, as much as they want. if someone can have fun for 36 hours of runescape, i'm sure they will have the most pleasant nap afterwards.

Jagex never really killed RWT. They just made it cost-inefficient for all the gold farmers. In the same vein, I believe Jagex has done enough (perhaps a wee bit too much) to combat RWT. You don't see any of those lvl3 ess bots/ gold farmers anymore. I haven't seen a lot of lvl3 yew cutters or lobby fishers. That, to me, is progress.

 

 

 

I know that big parts of RS were sacrificed to cripple RWT. Merching (arguable), staking, PKing (arguable), clan drop parties, and for seven months, item lending, were sacrificed. RWTing in RS is much less prominent than it has been. (I remember when I could only get 2-3 yew logs from a yew tree, there were usually 7-10 lv3 yew cutters cutting down a tree. Now I usually only have to share with 1-2 other people.) RWT is crippled. Let me say that again. RWT is crippled. It's not worth sacrificing even more parts of RS to completely eradicate RWT.

 

 

 

 

 

One possibe way to combat this, is to set a limit on the ammount of play time you can be on per day since people will pay RWT to no life on your account and get you a 99.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

They could set a limit on the ammount of xp you can gain per day.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

You can only fish/wc/make x ammounts of this type of item per day.

 

 

 

I say, let the legit no-lifers no-life. 36 hours of straight play-time is a bad idea, but let whoever wants to do so do so. Perhaps, on Dec 10 07, these suggestions would have been worth considering. But since RWTing is in such a sorry state now, the suggestions are unnecessary.

 

 

 

And to those who call for IP logging: what would you do about proxies?

i'd like to add some more input into this debate (formally discussion).

 

 

 

uhmm... yeah how often have you logged on and seen some one with 100m that didn't do it by getting a 99 in a skill with "no life" or responsibilities etc. i think that if you have hmmmmm like 100 dollars on you and you know you have literally nothing to spend it on (trust me being a teen i know. i got about 1k in the account and i've allready got everything i'd possibly want) then why not your favorite game that your allready paying membership for? what is the difference of buying more content to a game that's free for a monthly fee than having you know a costly 50m in your bank? not much. here's why.

 

my friend, i've seen his account and i know how "badly" he has to "cut corners" when it comes to playing rs. he has only 2 glorys 200k dboots and not even a whip. can't afford it. he has 47 laws and he can't rc them. so he has to limit how fast he does things. so if he has a clue scroll he has to telly all over the place he can actually get into a defisit into how much he makes off of the scroll. he can't afford buying energy potions, prayer potions, above grade armor, or anything for his house. barrows armor is a thing that is an unreachable feat as of now.

 

now he can either spend countless, monotonous, tedious, dumb non exp giving money activities i guess the "honorable way" or he can just get on to a website throw out like 15 bucks and boom 2m. no less than mmm... maybe 10 minutes comprable to a few hours if he has the right method.

 

 

 

smarter not harder..

 

 

 

if you have a poll that asks which is harder for you: leveling up, doing quests, or making money, which do you think people will vote the most on? i've got a quest cape before the ge came out. getting the stupid items for all these quests.... it's not easy but i'd rather do a quest than make money. my friend that i mentioned before is on the same boat. he's about 30 quest points away from the cape so it kind of says a lot. so before you go on and say this is bad we should get rid of it look at how far we've gone so far etc.. then maybe the whole "wilderness coming back" is actually a possibility with the embrace of real world trading. things will be dramatically different yes but things were different in january too so things can happen.

 

 

 

final words- my friend wants to play to enjoy not play to win. of course there will be some people that say I'VE MADE A 40M IN 3 WEEKS IT'S NOT THAT HARD but ok but he hasn't and neither have i. not every one has been around in the same situations, knows the same people and has the same hobbies as far as this game goes. this game isn't a race it's A GAME. people shouldn't play this game for the sheer point of winning.... for one it's always being updated so your not GOING to win. some one will always have the upper hand in some way whether it be songs in the game or friends in the game or even the high score in first of guthix.

 

 

 

there's flaws in my statements as far as how things will be managed IF rwt would come back. jagex's problem not mine. i don't know if they'll allow the purchase of items or money but i think money would be in the better interest of jagex. i find this game for enjoyment and if i find that having unlimited money in this game with 99's all around is my definition of enjoyment then so be it. people have found enjoyment in buying clothes for themselves so why not buying pixels?

Yanks, it's the fact that Jagex doesn't want it to be a game like that. I'm sure many other players agree too. Just because you or your friend don't care that you devalue the achievements of others, doesn't mean it's the reasonable thing to do.

 

 

 

For tons of people, RS is a game about achievements. Why do you think remarks such as, "Nice cape," and "Nice level," are so common? You're telling me you have fun reaping rewards while skipping the actual work? Sorry, but that's just as silly as using a "God-mode" cheat.

 

 

 

One more point. It makes things unfair. A rich kid with absolutely no patience or willpower can get a Construction Cape in the matter of days. Now compare him to the hard working Runescaper that spent hours and hours actually earning that money. And to be honest, I'd love to see that argument about, "Some people can play more than others so that's unfair too!" It's one of the funniest things I've set eyes on. :)

Nothing. Unless they can remove it completely with no more negative affects, then nothing. Sure, some people will still use rwt, but in the long run, it doesn't matter, the percent that does is now dwarfed, as it is more expensive, and slower.

 

 

 

All mmos will have rwt to some point, there's not much you can do about it.

yanksrule, your argument that buying money is "Smarter not harder" could be applied to any form of cheating. "Action replays make the game more fun for me, so who cares?" or "Modding Halo allowed me to get that 50 in Lone Wolves in only an hour, so it must be smarter than playing fair."

 

The bottom line though, is that every game has rules that are to be followed while playing. These rules are in place to keep the game fair for everyone. Claiming that it's not fair that a 15 year old has more time to put into a game, or the obsessive ability to play for 15 hours picking flax or something is not fair is like saying that a person who works overtime shouldn't get paid because you have a life and can't work overtime. They put the time in, they get the rewards. If money is a big concern, learn ways to make money while still having fun. I am in no way a rich player. The most I have ever had was 6.5 mil, and I just spent all of that on full guthans. My method of making money is simple. I play the game how I want, when I want, and don't worry about the people getting 21 mil a go at the gwd. Because who cares? It is just a game. If you can't have fun within the rules of the game, you should not be playing the game.

 

 

 

As you state, "This game isn't a race, it's a game." By defending RWT and money buying, you are rendering your argument void. You are the one turning the game into a race, because you feel that you have to catch up to those above you and you can't do that without cheating. Jagex's official position on RWT is that they don't want you to be able to buy your way to success in their games. To see their whole argument against it, go here, Runescape Knowledge Base. They will never allow the purchase of money in their game. And I, for one think that is a great stance. All game money should be generated in game, and not bought. After all, look what would happen. Jagex releases a way to buy money, people all go out and buy -x- cash to get item -y-. However, now that everyone has the money to buy it, demand outweighs supply by a large factor and as a result the price of items skyrocket. People get angry that they wasted money and didn't get the item they wanted, jagex gets rants, complaints, etc. The exact opposite would be true of releasing a way of buying items. Everyone rushes to buy their godsword/3rd age or whatever, and this sudden influx of items causes supply to outweigh demand by a large factor and the prices crash. People now write rants and complaints that they spent money on what is now a worthless piece of data on a server they will never see. No matter how they try to implement it, they lose.

 

 

 

My final statement on this subject is that rules are there for a reason, and breaking them for enjoyment is the equivalent of a joyride in someone else's Ferrari. It is wrong and you will be punished.

 

 

 

Slightly more on topic, limiting the game play to eliminate the threat of RWT is something I can't see Jagex doing. No matter what you think about it, many people play for long periods of time, many more probably than even pk'ed, and as such Jagex would lose a greater base of players by doing so. The wilderness and pking was a feature of the game, not a core element like skilling. By removing pking and the wilderness, Jagex was removing an area, by limiting skilling Jagex would be changing the core elements of the game. Runescape is still Runescape for the majority of players, even without pking and unbalanced trade. However, as soon as you start tampering with the core elements of the game no argument holds that Runescape would still be Runescape.

 

 

 

The smart solution is to simply log IP's of known offenders and blacklist them. This isn't perfect, and nothing is. The fight against cheating is a reactive, not a proactive one. People can simply use a proxy, yet the added hassle of the proxy outweighs the benefits for most players. By routing their communications through a remote gateway they introduce extra latency and lag into the game, and the proxies themselves can be blacklisted, forcing them to find a new one. RWT would also take a hit, making it even harder for them to turn a profit. Each time the proxy they were using went down they would have a period of inactivity which would hurt their abilities to farm gold, in any way.

 

 

 

The changes Jagex has made were not to eradicate RWT, but to hinder it in such a way as to make it harder, if not impossible, to turn a profit. They chose the course that would, in the end change the core of the game as little as possible, and I support them all the more for that. The easy way out would be to do as has been mentioned and stick a time limit or resource limit on the game, but the easy way is not always the best way.