now he can either spend countless, monotonous, tedious, dumb non exp giving money activities i guess the "honorable way" or he can just get on to a website throw out like 15 bucks and boom 2m. no less than mmm... maybe 10 minutes comprable to a few hours if he has the right method.

 

 

 

smarter not harder..

 

 

 

...After this statement I just stopped reading altogether. If you think that the only way for your friend is to really enjoy the game is to buy gold, then he shouldn't be playing. To me, this just screams of laziness, and because of players like him, we had to endure the updates. IMO, he shouldn't even be allowed near a computer.

 

 

 

Oh, not to mention, this was off-topic; the real topic at hand was how to combat the new and improved RWT (if it even exists).

 

 

 

The smart solution is to simply log IP's of known offenders and blacklist them. This isn't perfect, and nothing is. The fight against cheating is a reactive, not a proactive one. People can simply use a proxy, yet the added hassle of the proxy outweighs the benefits for most players. By routing their communications through a remote gateway they introduce extra latency and lag into the game, and the proxies themselves can be blacklisted, forcing them to find a new one. RWT would also take a hit, making it even harder for them to turn a profit. Each time the proxy they were using went down they would have a period of inactivity which would hurt their abilities to farm gold, in any way.

 

 

 

IP blacklisting, yes? Been there, tried that, it doesn't take much time to renew it. You'd think that they'd eventually run out of IPs, but you'd be surprised -- there is an astonishing amount of networks/available IPs out there.

If Jagex takes any one of those courses of action, I guarantee they'll lose a LOT of memberships, and people will still pay to have no-lifers train their skills for as long as they can per day. There is essentially no way to completely wipe out RWTers. I think we should be satisfied with the fact that Jagex has eliminated about as many as they can without taking measures to the extreme, and move on.

At the moment, those sites are floudering due to all the restrictions.

If they limit the amount of hours you can play, they will just make more accounts and because of that it will ONLY affect fair players.

 

 

 

The only way they can remove RWT completely is update Bounty Hunter so people can't get other people's drops + they will need to remove any possible way of merchanting completely. What I mean with removing merchanting completely is set a price for every item which can't go up or down.

 

 

 

RWT through trading would be very slow and both parties will need a few 100M before it's worth doing. GE and trade limit was an ownage update. Without marked play RS will not be RS anymore.

 

 

 

Junk trading is a problem too and I just found a way to prevent it. Thanks for making me think about this, you own.

 

 

 

Removing wildy was needed to completely keep RWT out. However, changing it to Bounty Hunter isn't good enough. They need to remove being able to pick up items in BH as well to stop people RWT'ing here.

i'd like to add some more input into this debate (formally discussion).

 

 

 

uhmm... yeah how often have you logged on and seen some one with 100m that didn't do it by getting a 99 in a skill with "no life" or responsibilities etc. i think that if you have hmmmmm like 100 dollars on you and you know you have literally nothing to spend it on (trust me being a teen i know. i got about 1k in the account and i've allready got everything i'd possibly want) then why not your favorite game that your allready paying membership for? what is the difference of buying more content to a game that's free for a monthly fee than having you know a costly 50m in your bank? not much. here's why.

 

my friend, i've seen his account and i know how "badly" he has to "cut corners" when it comes to playing rs. he has only 2 glorys 200k dboots and not even a whip. can't afford it. he has 47 laws and he can't rc them. so he has to limit how fast he does things. so if he has a clue scroll he has to telly all over the place he can actually get into a defisit into how much he makes off of the scroll. he can't afford buying energy potions, prayer potions, above grade armor, or anything for his house. barrows armor is a thing that is an unreachable feat as of now.

 

now he can either spend countless, monotonous, tedious, dumb non exp giving money activities i guess the "honorable way" or he can just get on to a website throw out like 15 bucks and boom 2m. no less than mmm... maybe 10 minutes comprable to a few hours if he has the right method.

 

 

 

smarter not harder..

 

 

 

if you have a poll that asks which is harder for you: leveling up, doing quests, or making money, which do you think people will vote the most on? i've got a quest cape before the ge came out. getting the stupid items for all these quests.... it's not easy but i'd rather do a quest than make money. my friend that i mentioned before is on the same boat. he's about 30 quest points away from the cape so it kind of says a lot. so before you go on and say this is bad we should get rid of it look at how far we've gone so far etc.. then maybe the whole "wilderness coming back" is actually a possibility with the embrace of real world trading. things will be dramatically different yes but things were different in january too so things can happen.

 

 

 

final words- my friend wants to play to enjoy not play to win. of course there will be some people that say I'VE MADE A 40M IN 3 WEEKS IT'S NOT THAT HARD but ok but he hasn't and neither have i. not every one has been around in the same situations, knows the same people and has the same hobbies as far as this game goes. this game isn't a race it's A GAME. people shouldn't play this game for the sheer point of winning.... for one it's always being updated so your not GOING to win. some one will always have the upper hand in some way whether it be songs in the game or friends in the game or even the high score in first of guthix.

 

 

 

there's flaws in my statements as far as how things will be managed IF rwt would come back. jagex's problem not mine. i don't know if they'll allow the purchase of items or money but i think money would be in the better interest of jagex. i find this game for enjoyment and if i find that having unlimited money in this game with 99's all around is my definition of enjoyment then so be it. people have found enjoyment in buying clothes for themselves so why not buying pixels?

 

 

 

You've basically said that because you and your friends are casual gamers, that it's ok to RWT? That's is one of the biggest pieces of [cabbage] I've heard. I remember when I only had 50k. I never complained. I never bought money. Why? Because I was too busy doing...something like...TRAINING SKILLS!!! If you want to play casually and don't care about rules, go play a private server and not the real thing :roll:

 

And RWT DOES affect you. More bots = less places to train, lower prices for raw materials, and devaluing effort put into your account. It affects all of us.

 

The only way they can remove RWT completely is update Bounty Hunter so people can't get other people's drops + they will need to remove any possible way of merchanting completely.

 

Actually, the only way to make this game completely RWT free is to stop all player to player interaction, from trading, to staking, to lending.

 

And even then, when the game would become single player basically, people would just buy "time" or accounts. It's basically impossible to stop RWT. But as long as it is pretty much floundering like a fish out of water, it holds pretty much no threat.

 

 

 

The ONLY way to get rid of cheating COMPLETELY is to have people who are fair, honest, hard working, and selfless. Basically, everything that the RWt companies DON'T stand for. Someone needs to break out a Death Note on this world :o \

Well we all know why they made the updates, yet they made them for no reason. RWT is indeed alive and well.

 

 

 

I challenge anyone who denies this to google "Runescape" since I don't think I can post the results here. You will notice that on the FIRST page of results 6 out of 10 of the results are indeed RWT sites. Obviously Rwt is alive and well. 10 Gold sites show up before Tip.it even.

 

 

 

So my question is, what are they going to do this time? The same problems are soon going to be popping up everywhere again, if they aren't already. ( The stolen credit cards )

 

 

 

One possibe way to combat this, is to set a limit on the ammount of play time you can be on per day since people will pay RWT to no life on your account and get you a 99.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

They could set a limit on the ammount of xp you can gain per day.

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

You can only fish/wc/make x ammounts of this type of item per day.

 

 

 

 

 

This doesn't sound like fun now does it? But these moves can be "justified" by the same reasons that the wild/staking/free trade was taken out.

 

 

 

 

 

But hey guys who cares right? You'll just GET OVER IT that you can only gain so much xp per day or play so many hours per day.

 

 

 

This reminds me of another argument I saw on this sight, but badly written and poorly thought out. Talking to people who did nothing but skill is a waste of time. They honestly can't see how runescape has changed. For the pker this game is now garbage. I suggest:Rumble fighter

I believe Jagex is smart enough to realize where to draw the line. At some point you have to realize there's only so much you can do. What that means is that you have you give up fighting RWT at some point until there's another new idea that doesn't ruin everyone's gaming experience. You just have to let them do what they're going to do.

 

 

 

Realize that it's their money that they're spending. I know it's wrong and I know it's against the rules, but at some point we're just going to have to get over it.

 

 

 

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

 

--Benjamin Franklin

I believe Jagex is smart enough to realize where to draw the line. At some point you have to realize there's only so much you can do. What that means is that you have you give up fighting RWT at some point until there's another new idea that doesn't ruin everyone's gaming experience. You just have to let them do what they're going to do.

 

 

 

Realize that it's their money that they're spending. I know it's wrong and I know it's against the rules, but at some point we're just going to have to get over it.

 

 

 

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

 

--Benjamin Franklin

 

^^^So true Ben Frank :

 

I think Jagex learned their lesson about pursuing complete and total lock down a specific rules; last tme they tried enforcing that "noob" was an offensive word and reportable under rule 1 :lol: . Phailed Epically :wall:

I skipped through some of the last 10 posts due to size -- sorry if I bring up a point that has already be brought up.

 

 

 

When I first saw the bots, talking about the "Glitch" they found, and can exploit the 3k trade limit, I started wondering how.

 

 

 

It seems that they probably buy and sell items on the GE which nobody wants, ie rotten tomatoes, cabbages (sorry OoC), and the like. It wouldn't take much time, and with trade limits of x# for food in 4 hours, it seems they could trade the couple million pretty quickly.

 

 

 

I think the only solution is for jagex to figure out which IP's these people are using, then ban them, or scrutinize them for suspicious activity.

 

 

 

Seriously, if someone buys 10k rotten tomatoes, and sells them again, what does that say to you?

I believe Jagex is smart enough to realize where to draw the line. At some point you have to realize there's only so much you can do. What that means is that you have you give up fighting RWT at some point until there's another new idea that doesn't ruin everyone's gaming experience. You just have to let them do what they're going to do.

 

This is also my sentiment regarding Jagex's POV. I'd like to point out something else as well, though: the new emerging form of gold farming (paying someone to log onto your account and earn gp for you) does NOT impact Jagex's profits, aside from the possibility of losing membership fees due to banning accounts. This method does NOT invoke bank refund fees or inordinate amounts of customer service dedicated to fighting RWT, which are the two chief problems that plagued Jagex (from a business standpoint) prior to their sweeping anti-RWT measures. In this situation, Jagex is the only entity which has the power to harm profits (by banning accounts), so the company is in quite a conundrum - knowingly allow illegal activities to occur, or lose money by punishing those offenders?

 

 

 

Regarding the topic title, RWT never went away and it's only marginally strong. I don't believe it compares at all to the levels it was at prior to Jagex's anti-RWT measures. If it ever does become that prevalent again, it will mean that gold farmers have found a more profitable method than directly logging onto players' accounts and, I'd be willing to bet, it will again adversely affect Jagex's profits. At that time we will see action from Jagex due to monetary motivations, but until that breaking point, we're all just going to have to live with it; the simple truth is that Jagex has no choice but to tolerate RWT to some extent.

I dont feel like this should be reacted upon so harshly. I feel if there was a need to fix everything everyone ever complained about in runescape the common denomination of runescape would not agree with the rest. It seems like certain things should just work through because although if people are indeed real world trading then the kinks will work out. It might have to do with thinking to hard. Right now for example i am fishing monks, and not having a care in the world. Yet i can guarantee you there are atleast 500 people reporting/being reported now. 250 of which are probably wana-be mod's. I can also guarentee you that probably 1000 people are writing in on rsof or to jagex on things they feel should be fixed or changed to their liking. 900 of which are probably for personal preforance or filled with range. I dont think limiting the amount of item x people can get per day is the answer. it shows that if we go to that level, if past is anything to reference, rwt'ers will just find a way around that which means we got nowhere on their situation but damaging ourselfs

 

 

 

Back to the point. If we all sit around knit-picking rs then we wont get anywhere and sure i go agree that people should not be allowed to do such things as real world trade. But i also feel that if we focus on little things not the big picture

 

this game will escalate to being something along the lines of :

 

 

 

 

 

1- no freedom of chat / all quick chat / no personalized messages

 

2- No fun from skilling as there is a limit you can do it

 

3- no friends since you cant talk to them as you would like

 

 

 

need i go further?

I realise it's here. It's still a pitiful, shallow version of what it once was. And i really do fail.

 

 

 

 

 

Lol. :lol:

Wow google results mean nothing at all, the websites are probably making minimal money. Unless you have the actual records from the real world trading sites, don't even try to say that real world trading is growing, if people are buying their skills that doesn't mean anything except that they are paying to have some Chinese guy level their skills.

Paying for levels, firecapes, quest completions, and things like that have always been around. Or at least, as long as people have been willing to pay for them.

You say that 6/10 are RWT sites, how do you know that they aren't inactive and don't get used hm? Your ideas don't seem to make sense on fixing the problem at hand. You also don't know if these RWT sites are getting money for this Jagex has Destroyed it almost or limited to to what? 3 worlds of BH?

 

 

 

Sorry your ideas won't help RWT go away.

There's a constant battle between RWT'ers and Jagex. Jagex dealt a heavy blow to RWT'ers, but there's only so much Jagex can do. There will always be some minor form of RWT, but as it is, things are fine. If they were to try to wipe out every method of RWT, they'd destroy what's left of the game.

I really can't imagine a way to stop RWTing 100%, and I don't think there will come one.

 

Why?

 

In order to stop players trade RS objects to others with real money you need two things in the game:

 

No more trading between players, and no player killing at all.

 

With these two things implemented in the game I can't imagine allot of people playing this game anymore.

Your suggestion is ridiculous. Jagex would not do this, it would make tons of people quit, the wilderness update would be NOTHING compared to this. Jagex would not do this to eliminate RWT as it would destroy the game more than RWT does or has every done. it would probably bring the end of runescape and i can not see it happening.

 

They took out the wilderness and gave the pkers replacements, even though they could have just left them high and dry and continued to profit. Furthermore they are now releasing pvp worlds where you can pk everywhere which should be far better than the old wildy.

 

Hounestly, im sure that if it came to it, if RWT was causing havoc to runescape jagex could combat it in much less invasive and probably more effective ways.

 

 

 

If real world trading is if you say, alive and well today then there shouldn't be any need for more drastic measures such as you have suggested. Runescape is still functionable and enjoyable!

If you apply some economic principles here, as a fe have stated, Jagex is in a conundrum. However, there is still a bit more to it. The game's economy is very complex, yet the player base isn't. Previously, if you went by ANY f2p yew trees, there would be the autoers, the gold farmers, and the RWT's. Today, not as many... Their changes HAVE worked, even though those same changes alienated previous players (like myself). The game itself is VERY different from where it was 1.5 years ago- specifically the economy. Any more vast changes would alienate more players- a fine line has to be drawn somewhere. And sometimes, the best solution is to embrace it- I believe it was Sony's Everquest (or something) that embraced RWT, and it had a VERY stable economy- but it embraced it from the start. If Jagex began to embrace it now, though, it would alienate many players....

i dont see how poeple can still rwt?

 

 

 

those sites you mentioned probably dont get much nowadays.

 

 

 

i share a computor and if there was a set time limit that wouldnt make either of us happy.

 

 

 

Nice try though :roll:

I believe Jagex is smart enough to realize where to draw the line. At some point you have to realize there's only so much you can do. What that means is that you have you give up fighting RWT at some point until there's another new idea that doesn't ruin everyone's gaming experience. You just have to let them do what they're going to do.

 

This is also my sentiment regarding Jagex's POV. I'd like to point out something else as well, though: the new emerging form of gold farming (paying someone to log onto your account and earn gp for you) does NOT impact Jagex's profits, aside from the possibility of losing membership fees due to banning accounts. This method does NOT invoke bank refund fees or inordinate amounts of customer service dedicated to fighting RWT, which are the two chief problems that plagued Jagex (from a business standpoint) prior to their sweeping anti-RWT measures. In this situation, Jagex is the only entity which has the power to harm profits (by banning accounts), so the company is in quite a conundrum - knowingly allow illegal activities to occur, or lose money by punishing those offenders?

 

 

 

Regarding the topic title, RWT never went away and it's only marginally strong. I don't believe it compares at all to the levels it was at prior to Jagex's anti-RWT measures. If it ever does become that prevalent again, it will mean that gold farmers have found a more profitable method than directly logging onto players' accounts and, I'd be willing to bet, it will again adversely affect Jagex's profits. At that time we will see action from Jagex due to monetary motivations, but until that breaking point, we're all just going to have to live with it; the simple truth is that Jagex has no choice but to tolerate RWT to some extent.

 

Agreed. This type of RWTing is less invasive to Jagex, and so they can afford to tolerate it for now.

 

 

 

What they could do, though, is flood RWTing forums with decoy players. Jagex makes accounts similar to the average player, asks for various 'services', but bans them once it's time to hand the account back. The player complains, refusing to send any money, and the RWTers try to give another account in compensation. That gets banned. And so on. Eventually the RWTers reputation goes down the drain.

 

Make decoy RWTing forums too, to trap customers.

 

 

 

I know it's nasty, but it could be effective.

Erm, setting a max to xp would do very little, due to the fact Gold Farmers want the money, not the experience.

 

 

 

Jagex need to face the facts that RWT will never die...

Well no they dont they need to clamp down on it. Put lots of money into tracking down and sue ext ...

Well no they dont they need to clamp down on it. Put lots of money into tracking down and sue ext ...

 

Legal action isn't really cost-effective with this many companies, and besides, how can Jagex just track them down when they don't want to be found?

 

 

 

No, I propose sabotage. Cheaper, and much more fun.