Roach Workers: F2P's Best kept Secret?

[Xantos000]

Hey all,

 

 

 

I'm a new guy to these forums, but been around rscape since 04 or so (took a 3 year break).

 

 

 

I just started playing 4 or so weeks ago, and immediatly went back to killing hillies and mossies, the previous best xp and money gainers. I found out recently about this new dungeon (the player safety one), and after I did it, I not only found the cockroach workers to be more profitable, but also much much better xp as well.

 

 

 

I've seen plenty of people harvesting those soldiers for the wanted rune scim drop, but the workers give much better xp and for at least lvl 60-80s, much quicker loot :thumbsup: . From the stuff I've gotten (tons of nat runes and mith platebodies), it seems like the grand majority of lvl 55+ should grind on the workers.

 

 

 

Nobody is ever down there; I play on world 1 alot, and at most, I've seen 1-2 people killing them. Need I remind you that the hillies has 30+ people in it most of the time. What am I missing that nobody is killing them? Or is there something better to do that I've just missed.

 

 

 

Thanks everyone; feel free to add me, my char is the same as my name, or Atropos000 (my pure).

 

 

 

Later

[InkofDeath]

Unless someone posts a at least 20, one hour drop logs for each type of monster there is no evidence here except speculation.

 

 

 

However, Rune Scimitars are 33k now or so, Mithril Platebodies & Nats only go with each to alch, or you're just selling the natures and making 3.3k with the pladebody's. You shouldn't be alching the platebodies anyways, as you lose 200 or so gp.

 

 

 

So unless you're getting 12-15 mithril platebody's, or some combination of natures and mith plates to make 30k before you get a scim drop, then I have no real reason to go kill workers, over soldiers, or vise-versa.

[Xantos000]

This is only speculation to tell you the truth..... :oops:

 

 

 

The problem I've found with the soldiers is that they take forever to kill and take up a lot of food (my guy is only 65). In the same time I kill 1 soldier, I've killed 2-4 workers.

 

 

 

I know that for the higher lvls soldiers will be more profitable, but for 60-80 (not sure about the top limit), shouldn't workers be much faster xp at least?

 

 

 

I've found that i make about 7-10k per load of b bones, and when I go back to the bank, I probably have around 35-40k worth of loot. I'd say the cash is slightly more than b bones, but much faster xp (because no competition, so no waiting).

 

 

 

Isn't the scim drop roughly 1/100?

 

 

 

Also, do people really use nats to alch stuff still? (outside of grinding magic) I got the explorer's ring (3) and its :thumbsup:

[Baleout]

More expensive items (i.e. rune) will have a higher difference in low and high alch, so that high alching with a nature rune would be more profitable than low alching for free with the explorer's ring.

 

 

 

Also, you can only use the explorer's ring alch 30 times a day.

[compfreak847]

Your only level 65? I'd suggest testing this out a bit more before posting.

[spyderownzyou]

i always found roaches to have decent xp/drops in ftp

 

seeing as I trained to 90+ combat there

 

although the soldiers are definitely better drops wise, workers would be faster at your level

 

and the fact that the dungeon is normally empty is good thing, more kills for you ;)

[Xantos000]

Just wondering, why does having a cb of 65 matter? I've been killing them for a while now.... and I was asking for lvl 60-80s. I didn't mean to offend your high and mightiness, but f2p isn't all that hard to understand (I'm sorry if your comment wasn't meant to be rude; the comment just sounded really condecending from my point of view).

 

 

 

I mean,what are the alternatives at my level? Hill giants, Moss Giants, Ice Giants/Warriors, the things in the stronghold of security. Not a wide variety.

 

 

 

However, I noticed that hill giants and moss giants are always crowded while the roaches aren't. IG/IW aren't really an option because the bank is so darn far away... and I'm not too sure about the SoS monsters.

 

 

 

Agreed that higher lvls will be better off with soldiers, but killing the soldiers takes just too long at my lvl, and takes up much more food. More eating means more walking, meaning less killing :( .

[spyderownzyou]

Just wondering, why does having a cb of 65 matter? I've been killing them for a while now.... and I was asking for lvl 60-80s. I didn't mean to offend your high and mightiness, but f2p isn't all that hard to understand (I'm sorry if your comment wasn't meant to be rude; the comment just sounded really condecending from my point of view).

 

 

 

I mean,what are the alternatives at my level? Hill giants, Moss Giants, Ice Giants/Warriors, the things in the stronghold of security. Not a wide variety.

 

 

 

However, I noticed that hill giants and moss giants are always crowded while the roaches aren't. IG/IW aren't really an option because the bank is so darn far away... and I'm not too sure about the SoS monsters.

 

 

 

Agreed that higher lvls will be better off with soldiers, but killing the soldiers takes just too long at my lvl, and takes up much more food. More eating means more walking, meaning less killing :( .

 

i agree, getting all my combats 60+ in ftp was annoying, ice giants always so busy :wall:

 

although, flesh crawlers, zombies or spiders in stronghold are decent xp :

 

before roaches came out, ftp training was [cabbage], in busy worlds, after new player safety dungeon i almost lived at roach soldiers :lol:

 

 

 

and before i forget... welcome to the forums!! :

[Balazeal]

I mean,what are the alternatives at my level? Hill giants, Moss Giants, Ice Giants/Warriors, the things in the stronghold of security. Not a wide variety.

 

 

 

... and I'm not too sure about the SoS monsters.

 

 

 

Alternatively, (assuming that this is about money) you could fish lobbies, or cut yews. When it comes to training, best places (F2P) are the spiders on the third SOS level, or the flesh crawlers on the second SOS level. Actually, when it comes to training, cockroaches aren't a very good choice, their def level is too high to train effectively(effective being the most exp per hour).

 

 

 

Also, you left out lesser demons in Karamja (You can also find greater demons in the deep Wilderness, but revs seem to hang around there a lot).

[3hitm4g3u]

I got 3 rune scims in one trip.

 

 

 

Back then that was only 45k but now it is close to 100k.

 

 

 

I think i'll stick with the soldiers.

[llamster]

I got 3 rune scims in one trip.

 

 

 

Back then that was only 45k but now it is close to 100k.

 

 

 

I think i'll stick with the soldiers.

 

 

 

Two incredibly important questions:

 

 

 

1. How long was your trip?

 

 

 

2. Is this drop rate typical?

 

 

 

I have heard numerous testimonials saying that roach workers are better than soldiers. Personal experience also backs that up; though that's not a good argument considering that melee stats in the upper 60s are basically required to kill soldiers effectively.

 

 

 

In general I have found that free players tend to be very unknowledgeable about which monsters are the best to kill (hence crowded lessers) and other things like that, in spite of how few content they have compared to members. I'm not sure why this is.

[Captainkidd]

Unless someone posts a at least 20, one hour drop logs for each type of monster there is no evidence here except speculation.

 

 

 

However, Rune Scimitars are 33k now or so, Mithril Platebodies & Nats only go with each to alch, or you're just selling the natures and making 3.3k with the pladebody's. You shouldn't be alching the platebodies anyways, as you lose 200 or so gp.

 

 

 

So unless you're getting 12-15 mithril platebody's, or some combination of natures and mith plates to make 30k before you get a scim drop, then I have no real reason to go kill workers, over soldiers, or vise-versa.

 

I believe this is the best assumption, as there hasn't been a complete analysis of the two and the drop logs, and until then its only speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Captainkidd

[3hitm4g3u]

I got 3 rune scims in one trip.

 

 

 

Back then that was only 45k but now it is close to 100k.

 

 

 

I think i'll stick with the soldiers.

 

 

 

Two incredibly important questions:

 

 

 

1. How long was your trip?

 

 

 

2. Is this drop rate typical?

 

 

 

I have heard numerous testimonials saying that roach workers are better than soldiers. Personal experience also backs that up; though that's not a good argument considering that melee stats in the upper 60s are basically required to kill soldiers effectively.

 

 

 

My f2p friend got lonely so I went and did lootshare there with him, so there was two of us, I happened to get all 3 rune scimitars that dropped, we spent about half an hour to 45 minutes there. When my main was f2p I would average 2 rune scims every half hour (99 att,def, and str though).

[Zaaps1]

Unless someone posts a at least 20, one hour drop logs for each type of monster there is no evidence here except speculation.

 

 

 

However, Rune Scimitars are 33k now or so, Mithril Platebodies & Nats only go with each to alch, or you're just selling the natures and making 3.3k with the pladebody's. You shouldn't be alching the platebodies anyways, as you lose 200 or so gp.

 

 

 

So unless you're getting 12-15 mithril platebody's, or some combination of natures and mith plates to make 30k before you get a scim drop, then I have no real reason to go kill workers, over soldiers, or vise-versa.

 

 

 

Mith plates don't sell though, so you might as well alch um.

 

 

 

Nice find, didn't seem like too great xp when I went there though. Post some numbers?

[Central_Keeper]

I find soldiers and workers good xp for both, the only part I dont like is that they dont drop bones, so I can't really train my prayer.

 

 

 

For scimi and sq shield, there is actually a spot that has 3 soldiers all crowded together has the highest drop rate (I got 3 scimi and 1 sq once during that trip), for workers, they seem to be dropping alot of nat runes.

 

 

 

Fight whichever that you are comfortable with, some people are just in it for the xp, and you can always train with soldiers once you can last longer against their atk for better profit.

[Inuashakent]

The workers were proven to be better in both xp and money ages ago. Nothing new here.

[Dark_Lord552]

I've killed alot of roaches soldiers when i was f2p(114 b4 becoming p2p), rune drops are what everyone hopes for but the mith ores, law rune drops, addy ores are all much better than nature rune drops and mith plates

 

 

 

each trip when i go bank, i get around 400k+ in loot, i i think soldiers is much better than workers plus soldiers are closer to the surface :P less walking

[krugtheorc]

you forget the soldiers also have law drops, addy ores, mith ores, mith items, death runes...the list goes on

 

 

 

and mith plate is the worker's rare item, just like the rune square or schimmy. so it could be comparable that when you get a mith plate from a worker, you would get a rune item from a soldier

 

 

 

what i think he is saying is that for the same stats, you can kill more workers faster and for less food than you can soldiers, making them better xp and profit potential. However there is the gamble potential with the soldiers without much of a loss of profit. you get the same drops, or better in the case of addy ores and law runes, while still having the chance of a rune item at the cost of a stronger monster.

 

 

 

and it's already been proven that drones are good for noob training, so the true lesson here is that the player safety stronghold is just epic win :thumbsup:

[The Observer]

Cockroach Soldiers do give great drops, but they also have high hits. There is however better training. You can train at the Flesh Crawlers or Spiders in the Stronghold of Security and get much higher amounts of experience per hour.

[NJE03]

Cockroach Soldiers do give great drops, but they also have high hits. There is however better training. You can train at the Flesh Crawlers or Spiders in the Stronghold of Security and get much higher amounts of experience per hour.

 

Perhaps they are good if you desire both decent money and experience?

[Ts_Stormrage]

Soldiers ftw...

 

 

 

Adamant and Mithril ore market has thrived amongst others because of these, and finaly a chance to get a rune scim without having to pay for it (or have a ridiculously high smith lvl for)...

 

 

 

By far the better creature to kill, even for the lower level P2P-ers...

[Jimmyw3000]

Cockroach Soldiers do give great drops, but they also have high hits. There is however better training. You can train at the Flesh Crawlers or Spiders in the Stronghold of Security and get much higher amounts of experience per hour.

 

Perhaps they are good if you desire both decent money and experience?

 

Kill spiders for speed and used the saved time to make cash...

[Xantos000]

Ok, so on account of this topic, I traveled the world, killing the monsters 50+.

 

 

 

The real winners were;

 

Roach Workers; Good XP, Good Drops

 

Roach Soliders: Ok XP, great Drops: fantastic for making money if you happen to have 2 or more foolish level 54s or so trying to steal your kills. Today, after farming them for 1 hour, I got both a rune square AND a rune scim (:D)!

 

Ice Giants: Great XP, great drops; only downfall is all that walking. Very few people fight them, so they are actually quite good.

 

Lvl 50 Spiders: OMFG :ohnoes: these spiders give the best XP that I have found so far. It's like autoing, except you eat. Major downfall is that they don't drop anything.

 

Lvl 76 Ankous: These creaturues gave me suprisingly good XP and cash: better XP than workers, worse items. However, more running back up to the surface for food.

 

 

 

OK were:

 

Hillies: These would be great, as if you constantly grind on them they give good money and XP. Bad because it's one of the most crowded training spots.

 

Mossies: Same as with hillies: plus in varrock sewer, you always have some lvl 90-100+ grinding on these....

 

 

 

Poor were:

 

Greater Demons: I actually never got there to kill one: I was scared off 2 times by a lvl 102 rev..... I suspect it was the same one.

 

Lessers: Ah the old standy.... don't give as good drops as roaches, and kinda crowded.

 

Revenants: :x For the trouble you go through killing these, you don't get your monies worth.... anybody ever had anything good from these?

 

 

 

So...

[mr_freddie]

i tried to kill a rev failed hard

 

 

 

i agree with the roaches theroy though

[Dark_Lord552]

revs only drop coins on f2p, hunted them with a team for a while when they first came out

 

 

 

flesh crawlers are best xp in my opinion for f2p,