Maybe Flitwik did pass out, as Hermione originally thought. It never actually said that Snape for a fact knocked him out. At least I'm fairly sure ..

I think everyone trying to reconcile Snape are just appealing to consequences :P they want him to be good so badly that they'll create this super crazy scheme to make him good after all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we can use Ockham's razor, I'll provide an example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Situation 1: This is the real 'insane' posting.

 

 

 

Situation 2: This is an alien, who over took insane's body, is using his same computer (and therefore ip match), and is typing using the same grammatical and word style that insane uses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously both could be possibly true - and who could tell at this point? But I think it is more reasonable to accept situation one, as it is simpler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case and point? At this point in time, it is reasonable to believe that Snape is guilty - Dumbledore said that he himself can make mistakes. There is much more evidence pointing toward Snape being evil. Unless you twist and warp everything that you've read in the book somehow... the evidence is overwhelmingly favouring the evilness of Snape...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't see how Snape could be more valuable than Dumbledore, of course this is unbased - but I think it's logical to assume that Dumbledore is of more worth than Snape, possibly in any situation.

^ Ah, but Dumbledore is old, and perhaps knew it was finally his time to go. He felt certain sacrifices had to be made to rid the world of Voldemort, and perhaps his death was one of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for it being now, this point in time, you're right. But...book 6 is over, and this is what we're supposed to be doing! Figuring out all the possible situations that could happen. We've got a heck of a long time til book 7, so might as well. It just seems way to straight forward for J.K. Rowling to kill off Dumbledore like that. He can't have just died like that imo, there MUST be a great story behind it all. For the greatest wizard of his time, the only one voldemort was afraid of, Dumbledore can't have easily been killed by a supposed death eater, just like that. It doesn't make sense. It's like Harry being killed by Neville one night in their sleep. Sure, its possibly, but why the heck would it be so simple? :lol:

Also in response to insane I think I read on mugglenet that in the next book we're going to learn alot more about dumbldores past. I'm not saying that this is going to cover the whole why snape killed him theorys but most likely it's going to give us some sort of reason.

Also in response to insane I think I read on mugglenet that in the next book we're going to learn alot more about dumbldores past. I'm not saying that this is going to cover the whole why snape killed him theorys but most likely it's going to give us some sort of reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well it's almost certain we're atleast going to find out what Dumbledore saw in Snape, whether Snape remains good or bad.

I'm quite sure that Snape will be redeemed. Malfoy HAD to kill Dumbledore, and was unable to. Given the unbreakable vow, Snape then HAD to do it.

You're also forgetting, Insane, that Dumbledore would never beg for his life. Ever. He was begging Snape to do something else. The theory I beleive is that he was begging Snape to kill him, so Snape could continue to be an inside man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Dumbledore really wanted to get out of that situation, he probably could have. If Voldemort did focused magic without a wand before he was 11, there's a good liklihood that Dumbledore could then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it would have meant losing his inside man.

 

 

 

If he killed them all, Snape would obviously be gone. If he killed everyone but Snape, Voldemort would wonder why.

I just finished reading the book. I am quite confident Snape is good, and is only trying to protect Harry, though I'm not saying that he doesn't loath him. The way Snape screamed "don't call me a coward!" during his escape seems to point that he is risking his life, and sacrificing so much to help the Order against Voldemort, but is rewarded with ridiculing and harassment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I predict that Snape will play a very large role in book 7 (ie just as much as Harry or Voldemort), but will ultimately die, by either Voldemort or Harry's wand, probably the former.

Yes I agree with exarch about snape being good. However, unlike most posts here, I don't think that dumbledore was begging for his life or begging for snape to kill him and stay in the order. Dumbledore wouold never beg for his life and I doubt he would value a spy more than himself. Instead, I think that dumbledore was begging for snape to protect harry. Snape would be perfect to do this because voldy will most likely call the deatheaters to watch or have them nearby when voldy and harry, making snape be at the perfect place to protect harry. Also, we know how much more dumbledore valued harry over himself; willing to be killed so that harry will have some extra protection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PDM

You're also forgetting, Insane, that Dumbledore would never beg for his life. Ever. He was begging Snape to do something else. The theory I beleive is that he was begging Snape to kill him, so Snape could continue to be an inside man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Dumbledore really wanted to get out of that situation, he probably could have. If Voldemort did focused magic without a wand before he was 11, there's a good liklihood that Dumbledore could then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it would have meant losing his inside man.

 

 

 

If he killed them all, Snape would obviously be gone. If he killed everyone but Snape, Voldemort would wonder why.

 

 

 

I read the book a while ago and havn't been paying attention to this post very much lol. I personally agress that Dumbledore would never beg for his life, and that what will probably happen in the long run is that Harry will kill Snape and after the deed is done find that he was a "good guy."

 

 

 

Personally I don't care what happens as long as Snape ends up dead.

 

 

 

If it hasn't yet been discussed, where do you think the locations of the horcruxes will be? I personally think he will find the first few and have a lot of trouble finding the last. If this happens the last will end up being right under his feet, and he will probably find it during the fight against Voldemort.

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1372 :o

I'd just like to keep this topic going, and say that book 6 was the BEST book I have ever read, topping all previous Harry Potter books and my former-favourite series the Lord of the Rings. I'm DYING for the 7th book to come out, only to be punched in the face by JK Rowling knowing that the 7th won't be out for another 3 years.

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1372 :o

:lol: I dont know what to belive but i think thats fake. How can someone mod a book?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its the "hot coffee" mod for harry potter :o

 

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1372 :o

:lol: I dont know what to belive but i think thats fake. How can someone mod a book?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its the "hot coffee" mod for harry potter :o

 

 

 

Lol, it's clearly a joke. If that story didn't gve it away look at the links at the bottom: Hermoine dies due to getting hit by a truck, Potter arrested in Meth Lab, etc :wink:

 

 

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1372 :o

:lol: I dont know what to belive but i think thats fake. How can someone mod a book?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its the "hot coffee" mod for harry potter :o

 

 

 

Lol, it's clearly a joke. If that story didn't gve it away look at the links at the bottom: Hermoine dies due to getting hit by a truck, Potter arrested in Meth Lab, etc :wink:

 

 

 

greatest attack on take2 ever!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But as for the book. I like the Snape not being evil theories... After reading the book, I thought Dumbledore would never pleade with Snape. Also, at the time, Dumbledore also had total trust for Snape. Snape didn't do anything drastic enough to break that complete trust in a matter of seconds. I was thinking that Snape and Dumbledore planned it to get Snape more trust from voldy so he can find the locations of the horocruxes. When dumbledore said that, it just sounded liek he was acting... Also, why didn't snape do something with harry. He just hexed him, bu he could have easily paralized him and picked him up with some spell and taken him to the dark lord.

 

 

 

And if JK wants to bring Dumbledore back, she can always play with the fact that Snape was so good at doign spells in his mind that he shielded dumbledore before he killd him, so that the spell merely threw him back far. Then dumbledore could have made a fake body (polyjuce on a dead guy or something?) and run off. That way everyone thinks he's dead, including voldemort. I don't really know, but the good thing is that jk left herself a lot of room to play with the plot and also now she can write more than 7 books!!! She freed herself from the 1 book per grade concept which I think we can all appreciate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a side note, who else felt like they were watching the ending of spiderman when harry dumped ginny?

 

 

 

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1372 :o

:lol: I dont know what to belive but i think thats fake. How can someone mod a book?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its the "hot coffee" mod for harry potter :o

 

 

 

Lol, it's clearly a joke. If that story didn't gve it away look at the links at the bottom: Hermoine dies due to getting hit by a truck, Potter arrested in Meth Lab, etc :wink:

 

 

 

greatest attack on take2 ever!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But as for the book. I like the Snape not being evil theories... After reading the book, I thought Dumbledore would never pleade with Snape. Also, at the time, Dumbledore also had total trust for Snape. Snape didn't do anything drastic enough to break that complete trust in a matter of seconds. I was thinking that Snape and Dumbledore planned it to get Snape more trust from voldy so he can find the locations of the horocruxes. When dumbledore said that, it just sounded liek he was acting... Also, why didn't snape do something with harry. He just hexed him, bu he could have easily paralized him and picked him up with some spell and taken him to the dark lord.

 

 

 

And if JK wants to bring Dumbledore back, she can always play with the fact that Snape was so good at doign spells in his mind that he shielded dumbledore before he killd him, so that the spell merely threw him back far. Then dumbledore could have made a fake body (polyjuce on a dead guy or something?) and run off. That way everyone thinks he's dead, including voldemort. I don't really know, but the good thing is that jk left herself a lot of room to play with the plot and also now she can write more than 7 books!!! She freed herself from the 1 book per grade concept which I think we can all appreciate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a side note, who else felt like they were watching the ending of spiderman when harry dumped ginny?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although I still believe Snape is good, I also believe Dumbledore is dead and isn't coming back. Here's why:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reading the whole book I could feel Dumbledore was going to die. The fact that she kept continuously pointing out his burnt hand kept on pushing into my mind that Dumbledore was failing in age and his time was coming to an end. She set up his death in the book before it happened so we would believe it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The last chapter clearly titled "The White Tomb" is her wanting us to know that Dumbledore is dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Harry and McGonagall go up into the Headmaster's office and Dumbledore's portrait has already been hung up. This would have happened by magic and surely would only have happened if Dumbledore had died. Dumbledore has been in peril before and his picture hasn't gone up in the office, he's even been kicked out of Hogwarts and his picture hasn't been put up so his picture going up is a big sign to his death.

Also, Harry was suddenly relesed from the full body paralize... which like he said only happens if the caster is dead :/

Also, Harry was suddenly relesed from the full body paralize... which like he said only happens if the caster is dead :/

 

 

 

Well there's no question that Dumbledore was pretty much at that state, but I think Snape and DD planned it to go that way. He could be 'clinically dead' but only for a certain point of time with a modified version of the spell Snape used. Maybe like someone said, the potion he drank in that one room was specifically put there to help him in some way deal with a pre-planned spell of Snape's. I know it sounds far-fetched, but JKR gave us a lot of room to come up with theories for it.

 

Also, Harry was suddenly relesed from the full body paralize... which like he said only happens if the caster is dead :/

 

 

 

Well there's no question that Dumbledore was pretty much at that state, but I think Snape and DD planned it to go that way. He could be 'clinically dead' but only for a certain point of time with a modified version of the spell Snape used. Maybe like someone said, the potion he drank in that one room was specifically put there to help him in some way deal with a pre-planned spell of Snape's. I know it sounds far-fetched, but JKR gave us a lot of room to come up with theories for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm...for some reason I see JKR giving us lots of reasons to not make up our own theories. Like, she put in a lot of extra details about DD in the book so we would know he was dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of funny how two people can read the same thing and get two completely different things :P

Dumbledore is not coming back, at least not as a person or a ghost or similar. I read the Mugglenet/Leaky Cauldron interview of Rowling, and she basically said that she killed off Dumbledore so that the hero, being the hero would have to do what he has to do alone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really though, his death was being set-up through the whole book, as other people have said. Thinking he's still alive is just being delusional and in denial.

Yeah.. sort of like Tupac :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess it was obvious throughout the whole book, even from the start when Dumbledore would mention his old age and how withered hand etc.. it was good how even at the end, Harry remained loyal to Dumbledore (especially with Rufus Scrimgeour

I am very pissed with Harry :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care if it was a shw of maturity, he shouldn't ahve dumped Ginny, imo :P... The relationship was developing quite well, and I'm prety sure 'most' people look forward to seeing Harry's love life/relationships. They were enjoying. Hate how he does all this stupid stuff trying to be "noble"... :roll:

I am very pissed with Harry :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care if it was a shw of maturity, he shouldn't ahve dumped Ginny, imo :P... The relationship was developing quite well, and I'm prety sure 'most' people look forward to seeing Harry's love life/relationships. They were enjoying. Hate how he does all this stupid stuff trying to be "noble"... :roll:

 

 

 

I wouldn't use the word 'dump.' They still love each other, they just need to keep their distance til things get safer. I'm sure by the end of book 7 if it's a happy ending they'll be back together 'officially.'

she needs to stop killing off my favorite chars...... god that was a depressing book

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its not real!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

go to: http://pottercrash.ytmnd.com/ [bleep] hilarious :lol: :lol:

I just started reading the book, I'm on the part where Harry gets to the Weasley's house. Don't care much about spoliers :P