new melee armour for nonmems

[sambudwiser]

If i can remember all of nonmems worlds were full of ppl in full rune. at 1st(lv50-65ish) its cool but latter it gets laaammmmme perhapes jagex could give nonmems 2 new class of armour im guessing a made up one thts not as good as granite but better than rune and the other one can simpily be blk elite...since no mem finds real use for it anyways. and mite as well throw in a quest for tht between rune and granite armour. what do u guys think? yes or no? does nonmem deserve new melee armour? i do realize most mems say "[bleep] them we pay 5 good hard earned american dollars for mems but they arent bad people and deserve more respect(yes i do belive jagex shows nonmems very little respect)

[Sir_Kurity]

How about a new quest for reinforced armor, which goes up to rune and needs 5 defence more than the actual armor (reinforced rune needs 45 defence)

[Kenneh]

How about PAY.

[Bauke]

Why would Jagex need to show more respect to F2P? You are given the opportunity to play a game for FREE, and if you want more, you'll need to pay. What exactly is wrong with that?

 

 

 

And no, F2P does not "deserve" new armour. They don't "deserve" anything. Doesn't mean Jagex can't give F2P updates. Sure they can. Wouldn't bother me at all aswell. But there's no such thing as "deserving". That's just greed.

 

 

 

Next to that, due to the fact that F2P is a demo, it's highly unlikely that F2P will get better armour, ever. Jagex would say you'd need to pay in order to access better armour. And can't really blame them for that.

[legilgalad2]

I'd have to say no, the combat triangle in F2p is bent towards melee as it is. Still if one was released within a month or so everyone would have that armour and it will soon become 'lame' too.

 

F2p is supposed to have low end equipment as its supposed to persuade you to pay for membership (and ultimately better weapons/armours etc.)

[hkscaper]

F2p melee doesn't need any new armor. I don't remember ever dying in f2p after I was about level 80. I think it is already too hard to die in full rune except in multi-combat pvp and maybe against revenants (which you have no real reason to fight in f2p). If you want to find armor that are more fancy looking, get a set of god/trimmed armor.

[fenrir321]

Alright, first of all, the arguments "You should pay then" and "why should Jagex update f2p?" are very ignorant.

 

Here is why:

 

 

 

1) Well, now I can wear dragon! :thumbsup: Guess what? So can everyone else. I can cast ancient magics! 8-) So can everyone else...Have you ever played in clan wars where the only allow spells were binds? It's extremely different from allowing all magic. Why? You can use magic can't you? Of course, but there are restrictions. If someone is unsatisfied with what they can only have, then they should be members. But if the game seriously lacks balance (and p2p combat, ironically, lacks EXTREME balance) then there should be something to add balance. Which brings me to my next point:

 

 

 

2) Jagex should update f2p if something is unbalanced. For example, if FoG had über equipment and was easy to get a hold of, then Jagex should update FoG so that it should have harder requirements. Jagex does not encounter this problem very much in f2p because they don't update it much. Perhaps the human mind requires imbalance every year or so to stimulate the mind. That may be how Jagex pulls you in to p2p.

 

 

 

 

 

now for the reply to the topic:

 

There should not be more armor. The armor is already good enough and balanced. The way the combat system works depends on luck after a certain degree. Because the hits are low in f2p, luck is less important. It needs to stay that way to keep the balance. What needs to be updated is magic to have a kiting spell. Mages have no good holding spell. The only good thing about bind is in wars where a single bind can kill a tank with a few warhammer snipes. This point also needs to be taken into consideration when asking for snare. A kiting spell is desperately needed because it would allow mages to be able to solo meleers constantly. As of now, I am lucky to be able to survive a meleer of my level while using magic. Our defense is supposedly the distance between our targets. Instead, a mage's offense is their defense. Kiting seriously needs to be introduced in f2p because it has no effect on rangers while allowing mages to have a higher survival rate against meleers.

[sambudwiser]

Why would Jagex need to show more respect to F2P? You are given the opportunity to play a game for FREE, and if you want more, you'll need to pay. What exactly is wrong with that?

 

 

 

And no, F2P does not "deserve" new armour. They don't "deserve" anything. Doesn't mean Jagex can't give F2P updates. Sure they can. Wouldn't bother me at all aswell. But there's no such thing as "deserving". That's just greed.

 

 

 

Next to that, due to the fact that F2P is a demo, it's highly unlikely that F2P will get better armour, ever. Jagex would say you'd need to pay in order to access better armour. And can't really blame them for that.

 

 

 

This is actually a pride thing. wen i was nonmem every time i saw an update, spoke to some NPC, or jus saw a gate i couldnt open it was like a slap on the back of my head telling me to pay 5 bucks. mems get an update...im guessing every 2 weeks, nonmems get one like every 3 months or so. and i do agree tht jagex is hooking us into gettin p2p but u do understand tht jagex sacrafices NOTHING to let us pay in fact im preety sure tehy're still earnign cash off nonmems by ad space.

[sambudwiser]

Alright, first of all, the arguments "You should pay then" and "why should Jagex update f2p?" are very ignorant.

 

Here is why:

 

 

 

1) Well, now I can wear dragon! :thumbsup: Guess what? So can everyone else. I can cast ancient magics! 8-) So can everyone else...Have you ever played in clan wars where the only allow spells were binds? It's extremely different from allowing all magic. Why? You can use magic can't you? Of course, but there are restrictions. If someone is unsatisfied with what they can only have, then they should be members. But if the game seriously lacks balance (and p2p combat, ironically, lacks EXTREME balance) then there should be something to add balance. Which brings me to my next point:

 

 

 

2) Jagex should update f2p if something is unbalanced. For example, if FoG had über equipment and was easy to get a hold of, then Jagex should update FoG so that it should have harder requirements. Jagex does not encounter this problem very much in f2p because they don't update it much. Perhaps the human mind requires imbalance every year or so to stimulate the mind. That may be how Jagex pulls you in to p2p.

 

 

 

 

 

now for the reply to the topic:

 

There should not be more armor. The armor is already good enough and balanced. The way the combat system works depends on luck after a certain degree. Because the hits are low in f2p, luck is less important. It needs to stay that way to keep the balance. What needs to be updated is magic to have a kiting spell. Mages have no good holding spell. The only good thing about bind is in wars where a single bind can kill a tank with a few warhammer snipes. This point also needs to be taken into consideration when asking for snare. A kiting spell is desperately needed because it would allow mages to be able to solo meleers constantly. As of now, I am lucky to be able to survive a meleer of my level while using magic. Our defense is supposedly the distance between our targets. Instead, a mage's offense is their defense. Kiting seriously needs to be introduced in f2p because it has no effect on rangers while allowing mages to have a higher survival rate against meleers.

 

 

 

thnx it is quite obvious i agree/disagree w/ many things u have metioned but thnx for not being tht [wagon] tth jus say "we pay"

[Balazeal]

This is actually a pride thing. wen i was nonmem every time i saw an update, spoke to some NPC, or jus saw a gate i couldnt open it was like a slap on the back of my head telling me to pay 5 bucks. mems get an update...im guessing every 2 weeks, nonmems get one like every 3 months or so. and i do agree tht jagex is hooking us into gettin p2p but u do understand tht jagex sacrafices NOTHING to let us pay in fact im preety sure tehy're still earnign cash off nonmems by ad space.

 

 

 

Pride? That's absurd. There's nothing wrong with Jagex advertising their own Member service. Of course member's get updates every 2 weeks, it's why they pay. As for F2P getting updates, what more do you want? Not only does Jagex allow us to play for as long as we want in F2P, but in the last year, we got more updates than ever before. Why should Jagex give us updates? Because that gate to Taverly hurt your feelings by denying you access? Of course not.

 

 

 

As for new armour, in all my time in F2P, I've never once needed anything more than rune. The highest level monster in F2P is the Revenant Knight Level 126, but even then nobody in F2P is even going to bother trying to kill that in full rune. The highest non rev monster in F2P is the Greater Demon, Level 96 (give or take) in Deep Wild, but even then, rune is more than enough to kill one. You said that perhaps black elite armour should be made F2P, just because it's not used much by members. Is that any reason to make it available to F2P? No, that's like giving a child a toy just because the toy's first owner got bored with it. Do we deserve it? Of course not, we are playing for free, what have we done at all to deserve new content?

 

 

 

Ya know why members show us F2P players so little respect? Because of F2P'ers like you who complain like this, while they should just be happy with what they have.

[Evilwallaby]

The only obligation Jagex really has to f2p, for the sake of its own well-being, is to keep the game fair and balanced. And I'm pretty sure that making the most powerful side of the f2p combat triangle even more powerful is a terrible idea.

[Sir_Kurity]

How about PAY.

 

I'm p2p, but i still believe f2p should be givin more. Not all people can afford 5 bucks a month, or don't have credit cards.

 

 

 

Anyway, f2p pay with advertisements :P.

[cuppy]

Jagex have staff to pay, servers in many countries to keep going and overall are a massive company. They work in the same way as any other game company; provide a demo, let them play until they need to upgrade to continue having fun. F2P does not deserve more updates

[sees_all1]

Jagex have staff to pay, servers in many countries to keep going and overall are a massive company. They work in the same way as any other game company; provide a demo, let them play until they need to upgrade to continue having fun. F2P does not deserve more updates

 

95% of the staff at Jagex are serving members...

 

Also, the cost of a server is minimal to a staff - figure that a server on a rack is at most $500 a month, where one staff is (at least) $3000 a month.

 

 

 

Anyhow, to the point of the topic, I think that rune is enough, however mages sorely need new armour or a new bind spell that lasts longer than 5 seconds, and an attack that hits more than 16. Rangers hit up to 18 at 1.5x the speed of mages, and they have better armour.

[legilgalad2]

Jagex have staff to pay, servers in many countries to keep going and overall are a massive company. They work in the same way as any other game company; provide a demo, let them play until they need to upgrade to continue having fun. F2P does not deserve more updates

 

95% of the staff at Jagex are serving members...

 

Also, the cost of a server is minimal to a staff - figure that a server on a rack is at most $500 a month, where one staff is (at least) $3000 a month.

 

 

 

Anyhow, to the point of the topic, I think that rune is enough, however mages sorely need new armour or a new bind spell that lasts longer than 5 seconds, and an attack that hits more than 16. Rangers hit up to 18 at 1.5x the speed of mages, and they have better armour.

 

 

 

magers already have enough armour, combat robes, druidic robes and runecrafting robes are all new additions

[Lep]

Personally I think Jagex should give f2p our hand-me-downs. Dragon armor for example, it's completely useless now. However, they gave them a new corrupt dragon type instead. :roll: Still, there's a lot of junk and garbage items we no longer need. The King Black Dragon should also be available for f2p. It was great once...but that was in what, Runescape Classic? To make it great again you'd have to give it to f2p because they have never killed it before. Plus it's actually hard to kill it with f2p stuff.

[AgentEarl]

i honestly dont think non mems should get anything more

 

if they want more they should stop complaining and pay to be a mem

[Troacctid]

Nonmembers got new melee armour last May when FoG came out, remember? Rune gauntlets and rune berserker shields. They also got corrupt dragon armour with the release of PvP worlds.

[krikke1234]

I'd say give them dragon armor. I wouldn't really care and it would make a lot of F2P-ers happy. And remember: more demand for dragon items = higher prices, which is good for P2P-ers.

[zoul]

Corrupt Dragon items...are just [developmentally delayed]ed imo hence why NO ONE USES THEM IN F2P. We pay like 2m for at least 1 where it lasts 30 minutes while we worked like days to make that much. You can even put it in the bank and it will crumble in the same amount of time so that update was [cabbage].

 

 

 

I admit Berserkers where a decen update but someone can slap a kite shield on and have the same Defense bonuses.

 

 

 

The Guants are usually for Non-Pking but do give more bonuses so that one was not bad but they rest were just dumb. Taking away wilderness to stop Free world trading, Giving Bounty hunter and PVP worlds...it's just not the same and they have to give us updates every once in a while as they can lose potential costumers as people will quit saying "OMFG they took all the good stuff out"

[Georgelemmons]

I completely agree that F2Pers don't deserve anything. I'm one, and I still love Runescape. However, Jagex has no obligation to us.

 

 

 

One thing I hate - when people call F2P a demo. It is a way for Jagex to attract customers, but is the way the game started, and will continue on as a fully playable game in itself. Getting membership is just like buying a new expansion pack (albeit one that's 100x bigger than the original game).

[edwardelric87]

How about making all members objects dissappear on f2p worlds? I'd help with my bank space.

[Stewie_Griffen]

Jagex have staff to pay, servers in many countries to keep going and overall are a massive company. They work in the same way as any other game company; provide a demo, let them play until they need to upgrade to continue having fun. F2P does not deserve more updates

 

95% of the staff at Jagex are serving members...

 

Also, the cost of a server is minimal to a staff - figure that a server on a rack is at most $500 a month, where one staff is (at least) $3000 a month.

 

 

 

Anyhow, to the point of the topic, I think that rune is enough, however mages sorely need new armour or a new bind spell that lasts longer than 5 seconds, and an attack that hits more than 16. Rangers hit up to 18 at 1.5x the speed of mages, and they have better armour.

 

 

 

magers already have enough armour, combat robes, druidic robes and runecrafting robes are all new additions

 

 

 

OH HOLY JESUS 20 MAGIC ROBES AND ROBES THAT GIVE +14 MAGIC BONUS. RUN MELEERS, RUN!

 

 

 

That's like saying after Jagex makes a cooking update and someone says "Cooking doesn't need any more updates, they have TROUT!1!1!!1!eleven!".

 

 

 

I agree that if you want to play the whole game you should pay for it, but it should at least be a balanced demo. Give F2P some kind of level 30-40 magic robe, Snare, and parts of fletching and everything would be fine.

 

 

 

Members have no use for low level magic robes, since there's plenty of things that are better. Snare is outclassed by Ice spells; heck, even Entangle. Fletching is essentially nothing but a quick way to make junk, gain total levels, and have a skillcape. These things would be much better appreciated in F2P. Not giving F2P these things is like a car dealer taking the radio and climate control out of a new car before someone test drives it.

[sambudwiser]

How about PAY.

 

I'm p2p, but i still believe f2p should be givin more. Not all people can afford 5 bucks a month, or don't have credit cards.

 

 

 

Anyway, f2p pay with advertisements :P.

 

 

 

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[sambudwiser]

Personally I think Jagex should give f2p our hand-me-downs. Dragon armor for example, it's completely useless now. However, they gave them a new corrupt dragon type instead. :roll: Still, there's a lot of junk and garbage items we no longer need. The King Black Dragon should also be available for f2p. It was great once...but that was in what, Runescape Classic? To make it great again you'd have to give it to f2p because they have never killed it before. Plus it's actually hard to kill it with f2p stuff.

 

 

 

thats a great idea...this is the mind set tht jagex shud have. and i read on earlier posts that giving more melee armour would upset teh combat triange balance. this is tru but u can give some mage armour to f2p as well, there r tons of mage armour on the list nonmems could have like tht weird bark armour. rangers could have blu d'hide...who cares!