PMods - Purpose or Status?

[Troacctid]

'Some' brilliant players

As opposed to "every" brilliant player, which would obviously be impossible

better chance

As in chances were already good

suitable players

Why would they be looking for unsuitable players

look more broadly

As in identifying potential mods through other factors in addition to good reports and ingame behavior

As I've said they've been very polite about it.

Because they want to be clear that they're not unsatisfied with current mods.

 

 

 

You couldn't interpret this blog as an expression of dissatisfaction with the current mod base unless you did something like this:

 

Weve changed our focus and' date=' now, [/size']instead of focussing mainly on reporting things to us, our moderators are concentrating on getting involved in the community and encouraging other players to do the same. Weve always made it clear that theyre players first, moderators second, and this change in direction will really emphasise that. The RuneScape community is made up of an incredibly creative, vibrant bunch of people who belong to all sorts of sub-communities. Rather than trying to rule these communities with an iron fist!, we want to encourage them, and encourage players to join them, and well be doing that with the help of our moderators.

[Sir_Kurity]

If you ask me, the silver crown means that its a status symbol.

 

 

 

Pmods could be just as effective without it.

[Troacctid]

If you ask me, the silver crown means that its a status symbol.

 

 

 

Pmods could be just as effective without it.

 

It's primarily to prevent mod impersonation. The crown means you always know who is a mod and who isn't.

[Guest]

'Some' brilliant players

As opposed to "every" brilliant player, which would obviously be impossible

better chance

As in chances were already good

suitable players

Why would they be looking for unsuitable players

look more broadly

As in identifying potential mods through other factors in addition to good reports and ingame behavior

As I've said they've been very polite about it.

Because they want to be clear that they're not unsatisfied with current mods.

 

 

 

You couldn't interpret this blog as an expression of dissatisfaction with the current mod base unless you did something like this:

 

Weve changed our focus and' date=' now, [/size']instead of focussing mainly on reporting things to us, our moderators are concentrating on getting involved in the community and encouraging other players to do the same. Weve always made it clear that theyre players first, moderators second, and this change in direction will really emphasise that. The RuneScape community is made up of an incredibly creative, vibrant bunch of people who belong to all sorts of sub-communities. Rather than trying to rule these communities with an iron fist!, we want to encourage them, and encourage players to join them, and well be doing that with the help of our moderators.

 

 

 

I don't think you're quite getting it or accepting it. Jagex might have found some sort of crop of good mods. I already accept that. What would you rather them say? 'While we have found some brilliant players we found some really trashy ones too'. Its called diplomacy.

 

 

 

The current crop have to conform to new community based moderation hence re-written guidance. You don't re-write guidance or change the way you select pmods for no apparent reason. They've already said they are looking at different way 'rather' than look for reports. Players not reports. Players make a good game, reports don't. Otherwise how will they select community based players with plenty of in-game experience but choose not to pump in the reports. Jagex have seen the light, and I like it. What would you rather have - community or status mods?

[Guest]

If you ask me, the silver crown means that its a status symbol.

 

 

 

Pmods could be just as effective without it.

 

 

 

I would agree, but maybe now we will get some decent moderation who are actual game players rather than 'me me me'. I'm in favour of that.

[Troacctid]

I don't think you're quite getting it or accepting it. Jagex might have found some sort of crop of good mods. I already accept that. What would you rather them say? 'While we have found some brilliant players we found some really trashy ones too'. Its called diplomacy.

 

 

 

The current crop have to conform to new community based moderation hence re-written guidance. You don't re-write guidance or change the way you select pmods for no apparent reason. They've already said they are looking at different way 'rather' than look for reports. Players not reports. Players make a good game, reports don't. Otherwise how will they select community based players with plenty of in-game experience but choose not to pump in the reports. Jagex have seen the light, and I like it. What would you rather have - community or status mods?

 

Old policy would encourage mods to report and/or mute the offender, and let the higher-ups at Jagex deal with the problem after that. New policy encourages mods to take on a role as more of a teacher. Whatever.

[Sir_Kurity]

If you ask me, the silver crown means that its a status symbol.

 

 

 

Pmods could be just as effective without it.

 

It's primarily to prevent mod impersonation. The crown means you always know who is a mod and who isn't.

 

 

 

Maybe, but its not as if you can scam someone by saying your a player mod.

 

 

 

I think its just there so people accept to be a P mod, as not that many people would accept it without the status symbol, especially if they think they might get a little more attention from jagex if they break rules.

[Guest]

 

Old policy would encourage mods to report and/or mute the offender, and let the higher-ups at Jagex deal with the problem after that. New policy encourages mods to take on a role as more of a teacher. Whatever.

 

 

 

Its not far off the mark.

[Guest]

 

 

 

Maybe, but its not as if you can scam someone by saying your a player mod.

 

 

 

Someone new to the game might end up scammed in some way so it might not be that clear cut.

 

 

 

 

I think its just there so people accept to be a P mod, as not that many people would accept it without the status symbol, especially if they think they might get a little more attention from jagex if they break rules.

 

 

 

Well said. Many pmods like you to know they're a pmod. It would have been so funny if Jagex had said they were removing the crown symbol too. I'll bet there would have been uproar on the pmod forums :lol:

[Sir_Kurity]

Someone new to the game might end up scammed in some way so it might not be that clear cut.

 

 

 

Someone new to the game could only trade 5k, or get password scammed, either way they both arent worth doing.

 

 

 

Someone with a worthwhile account to scam would obviously know not to give there password away, even if it was to a "pmod"

[Guest]

Someone new to the game might end up scammed in some way so it might not be that clear cut.

 

 

 

Someone new to the game could only trade 5k, or get password scammed, either way they both arent worth doing.

 

 

 

Someone with a worthwhile account to scam would obviously know not to give there password away, even if it was to a "pmod"

 

 

 

5k is 5k and for someone who is F2P that is a lot when you're starting out. Getting scammed so early can leave a sour taste in the mouth and the player could leave who may one day been a potential member. Jagex would look at that as lost business.

 

 

 

Other than this I agree with you. The crown business is the primary reason why players want to become mods these days. If it was up to me I would wipe the crowns out. You'd know the status hunters straight away as they'd be at the top of the pile whinging about it and probably refuse to do it. The ones who didn't, shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well' are the ones who actually care about the game. I would say out of the pmods who posted, only Langer fits into that mould from the posts on here.

 

 

 

I know many have disagreed in this post, but most of those were mods, wannabe's or friends of one so that was no suprise. If the theory works correctly then new mods will come through who are actually worthy of that crown. Pmods are here to stay, but if we get the right players rather than most of the current crop, I'll settle for that. :pray:

 

 

 

They are also increasing the amount of pmods in game. This might actually solve some problems by diluting its exclusivity.

[Sir_Kurity]

 

 

 

5k is 5k and for someone who is F2P that is a lot when you're starting out. Getting scammed so early can leave a sour taste in the mouth and the player could leave who may one day been a potential member. Jagex would look at that as lost business.

 

 

 

5k is 5k, its alot when your starting out, but no one would care about scamming 5k off someone when there is the risk of being banned, unless they themselves were a new player.

[Guest]

 

 

 

5k is 5k and for someone who is F2P that is a lot when you're starting out. Getting scammed so early can leave a sour taste in the mouth and the player could leave who may one day been a potential member. Jagex would look at that as lost business.

 

 

 

5k is 5k, its alot when your starting out, but no one would care about scamming 5k off someone when there is the risk of being banned, unless they themselves were a new player.

 

 

 

Good point well made. I stand corrected.

[Sir_Kurity]

I think its jagexs way of rewarding good reporting players with a status symbol.

[Guest]

At the time Jagex probably thought it was a good idea. Trouble is you can't judge the quality of a pmod just by the reports they send in. Still makes me laugh when you look through this posts with others saying it wasnt for this, and that the reports weren't the primary concern. Where are these people now?

[langer]

I wanted to reply a couple days ago but I didn't have sufficient time and I wanted to make sure I had read everything so I didn't look like a fool.

 

 

 

In light of the recent change from Jagex in their strategy of enlisting pmods, I have to give props to Jr for a couple things.

 

 

 

First thing, there is no denying that he hit it scare on the button when he said the selecting process was flawed, as Jagex would not have changed it and, more importantly, made a public statement about it. This means the selecting process was not perfect and Jagex were getting some bad apples. Starting from this, we can't get an accurate % of good mods vs bad mods though. Saying all or the majority of mods are bad is speculation and still generalising from a few cases.

 

 

 

I have to say this new policy is something I look forward to, if it can get rid of those mods who got their modship for the crown and status only. Seeing as people like to be recognised and different, you are bound to encounter some pmods with bad attitude (much like in the real world with some police officers or job managers).

 

 

 

I'm still not supporting this debate 100%, because the opening post shows an extreme view on the subject, but I have no doubt that these cases happen more often than the community would like.

[Guest]

I wanted to reply a couple days ago but I didn't have sufficient time and I wanted to make sure I had read everything so I didn't look like a fool.

 

 

 

In light of the recent change from Jagex in their strategy of enlisting pmods, I have to give props to Jr for a couple things.

 

 

 

First thing, there is no denying that he hit it scare on the button when he said the selecting process was flawed, as Jagex would not have changed it and, more importantly, made a public statement about it. This means the selecting process was not perfect and Jagex were getting some bad apples. Starting from this, we can't get an accurate % of good mods vs bad mods though. Saying all or the majority of mods are bad is speculation and still generalising from a few cases.

 

 

 

I have to say this new policy is something I look forward to, if it can get rid of those mods who got their modship for the crown and status only. Seeing as people like to be recognised and different, you are bound to encounter some pmods with bad attitude (much like in the real world with some police officers or job managers).

 

 

 

I'm still not supporting this debate 100%, because the opening post shows an extreme view on the subject, but I have no doubt that these cases happen more often than the community would like.

 

 

 

Thanks for your candour on the subject. I don't expect you to agree with my views otherwise we'd have no debate to begin with. I'll never deny that there are some good mods within the game, and as you say we would never get an accurate %.

 

 

 

Contrary to what people believed I did speak to quite a few pmods in game. Some did tell me that they reported to get what they wanted. That's why I knew some posters were being very economical with the truth. I may be a little extreme at times but when you're being tag-teamed with denials, accusations and superiority complexes the gloves sometimes have to come off. Some posters only believed what they wanted to and didn't want to deal with some of the murkier issues.

 

 

 

Langer, your ability to consider points and take things onboard throughout this post justifies my earlier comments about your suitability for modship. I would have no issues with mods if they all took the same approach as you have. I tip my hat to you =D>

[langer]

Langer, your ability to consider points and take things onboard throughout this post justifies my earlier comments about your suitability for modship. I would have no issues with mods if they all took the same approach as you have. I tip my hat to you

 

 

 

I can tell you right away that I would be a very poor mod. I like to give training advices and quest help, but only when the player understands right away. My general response when I get asked question is often to redirect to tip.it's by saying : search the web for a quest guide, or something along those lines.

 

 

 

My gameplay is not focused on clans and interactions, a flow of questions would probably make me go mad. There are many more dedicated person who would make better mods, but I would certainly fit the mould of those who wouldn't care about having a crown or not, because it would not change the way I behave in RS.

[Duke_Kaleb]

Without breaking any confidentiality rules I'll respond to this first post:

 

 

 

*Mods claim to be 'ordinary players' - Would they want the status if it gave you no crown visible to other players? No they would be unhappy because they 'want' other players to know they are mods - hence they do it for the status. Many who then achieve modship then revert back to the 'its not my problem' routine.

 

Despite what you may think - I believe that quite a majority of Player Moderators consider the Crown to be more or less a "burden". Imagine constant questions and requests for help. I enjoy helping players out as much as the next person, but it does wear on one quickly, especially when you really would rather be getting along with that quest - or finishing making that last 100k before bedtime. As for the "not my problem routine" - Player Moderators are not *obligated* to help - but a good majority of them certainly don't mind when they've got free time; and it's always nice to answer a curious players questions.

 

*Why give status to people who will gleefully report others - In my mind you get status for hard work, not at the expense of others (PVP excepted). I find this 'looking for trouble' element of it distasteful as it encourages players to snitch, rather than use common sense.

 

I am fully against entrapment. I like to play the game - not go out of my way to report players. In fact, I personally frown upon players who go looking for trouble. I've come to use my ignore list more then anything(and encourage others to do so as well) - and find myself only reporting players who go far beyond "joking" and into serious game disrupting behavior or behavior that risks the safety of themselves or others.

 

*Why do they insist on giving lectures to players instead of fact? When a mod is around it is permanently littered with mod chat.

 

This comes with the territory (the Crown). Imagine being the Player Moderator - being bombarded with questions when they're only trying to sell an item at the GE or having a friendly conversation while woodcutting.

 

*Why, when questioned about how they got their modship do they instantly tele or block a player? - Something to be scared of?

 

I admit I'm guilty of the "Enter GEMS2" option on Quick Chat - giving the standard reply to questions about modship.

 

*Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing.

 

Player Moderators (I'm not trying to speak for *all* of them) do know a little bit more about the rules (at least) then normal players. When a Player Moderator says something about the rules - they're normally right - or if they don't know the answer - they're usually quick to ask Jagex so that they can inform the player as quickly as possible.

 

*The main issue of bots has been dealt a serious blow by the limit to trades, not by mods.

 

I'm not sure why this was even brought up - the Macro Detection System works the same way for both players and Player Moderators alike. Once reported - the player in question is automatically tracked by the system.

[3hitm4g3u]

Without breaking any confidentiality rules I'll respond to this first post:

 

 

 

*Mods claim to be 'ordinary players' - Would they want the status if it gave you no crown visible to other players? No they would be unhappy because they 'want' other players to know they are mods - hence they do it for the status. Many who then achieve modship then revert back to the 'its not my problem' routine.

 

Despite what you may think - I believe that quite a majority of Player Moderators consider the Crown to be more or less a "burden". Imagine constant questions and requests for help. I enjoy helping players out as much as the next person, but it does wear on one quickly, especially when you really would rather be getting along with that quest - or finishing making that last 100k before bedtime. As for the "not my problem routine" - Player Moderators are not *obligated* to help - but a good majority of them certainly don't mind when they've got free time; and it's always nice to answer a curious players questions.

 

*Why give status to people who will gleefully report others - In my mind you get status for hard work, not at the expense of others (PVP excepted). I find this 'looking for trouble' element of it distasteful as it encourages players to snitch, rather than use common sense.

 

I am fully against entrapment. I like to play the game - not go out of my way to report players. In fact, I personally frown upon players who go looking for trouble. I've come to use my ignore list more then anything(and encourage others to do so as well) - and find myself only reporting players who go far beyond "joking" and into serious game disrupting behavior or behavior that risks the safety of themselves or others.

 

*Why do they insist on giving lectures to players instead of fact? When a mod is around it is permanently littered with mod chat.

 

This comes with the territory (the Crown). Imagine being the Player Moderator - being bombarded with questions when they're only trying to sell an item at the GE or having a friendly conversation while woodcutting.

 

*Why, when questioned about how they got their modship do they instantly tele or block a player? - Something to be scared of?

 

I admit I'm guilty of the "Enter GEMS2" option on Quick Chat - giving the standard reply to questions about modship.

 

*Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing.

 

Player Moderators (I'm not trying to speak for *all* of them) do know a little bit more about the rules (at least) then normal players. When a Player Moderator says something about the rules - they're normally right - or if they don't know the answer - they're usually quick to ask Jagex so that they can inform the player as quickly as possible.

 

*The main issue of bots has been dealt a serious blow by the limit to trades, not by mods.

 

I'm not sure why this was even brought up - the Macro Detection System works the same way for both players and Player Moderators alike. Once reported - the player in question is automatically tracked by the system.

 

 

 

I read your post and all I really found out is you still have a bedtime?

[Duke_Kaleb]

I read your post and all I really found out is you still have a bedtime?

 

 

 

Haha, if that is all you got out of it - then there is nothing more I can do =/

[Guest]

Langer, your ability to consider points and take things onboard throughout this post justifies my earlier comments about your suitability for modship. I would have no issues with mods if they all took the same approach as you have. I tip my hat to you

 

 

 

I can tell you right away that I would be a very poor mod. I like to give training advices and quest help, but only when the player understands right away. My general response when I get asked question is often to redirect to tip.it's by saying : search the web for a quest guide, or something along those lines.

 

 

 

My gameplay is not focused on clans and interactions, a flow of questions would probably make me go mad. There are many more dedicated person who would make better mods, but I would certainly fit the mould of those who wouldn't care about having a crown or not, because it would not change the way I behave in RS.

 

 

 

Apologies. I took it on-board that you may have been a pmod. So you're self efficating, not promoting. You encourage players to be independent, not lecture them and you're attitude doesn't smell of superiority. The line 'I would certainly fit the mould of those who wouldn't care about having a crown or not, because it would not change the way I behave in RS' speaks for itself. Ok, I realise Jagex are now looking more into clans etc. but the game needs more of the likes of yourself. Don't sell yourself short.

[Guest]

Duke_Kaleb I see you have looked at the first page of the post. Much has happened since then. Quite a few pmods have gone through answering those questions . Rather than go through your post at this point Ill direct you to a few things:

 

 

 

* The Jagex announcement in late July, regarding changes of direction for pmods. Click here to view it.

 

 

 

* My response to that post with my initial questions (three quarters down the page) on page 13 of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

I also posted the following questions to see if anyone could answer them in regard to the Jagex update. By all means have a go at answering them.

 

 

 

1) If the system was fine, as many claimed it had only a few bad apples, why change it?

 

 

 

2) If I was so wrong to begin with, how come the recruitment policy for pmods has changed to focusing more on the player? Is this an admittance that perhaps they were not getting the pmods they wanted?

 

 

 

3) If question 2 is an admittance, then why did people go for modship in the first place? If not for the good of the community was this for the status?

 

 

 

4) Why has the recruitment policy been tightened up?

 

 

 

5) Why the new direction on community pmods? From what I was told on here, mods are supposed to be helpful, friendly people and not the RS police so why was the guidance re-written?

 

 

 

6) Were Jagex concerned about losing players by pmods being a little over zealous in their mutes and reports, as it seems they want them to do this less?

 

 

 

I also have another question. You're a lvl 3 who likes to put his signature outlining that he's a lvl 3 and a mod. Does that not strike you as a bit of a status thing you have for yourself?

[Duke_Kaleb]

I also have another question. You're a lvl 3 who likes to put his signature outlining that he's a lvl 3 and a mod. Does that not strike you as a bit of a status thing you have for yourself?

 

 

 

I've demodded that account since then. No use having a level 3 I never played on. It's simply tradition.

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

I have many more examples. There are too many people who got through the sorting process that don't deserve to be p-mods. They are supposed to be role models to the community and especially the younger players. It's a good step forward that there are more factors being considered than just sheer volume of reports, so that people like this fellow will automatically become player mods