Whats with this? (afk'ing on spiders)

[Silver_Corner]

I say permaban these players or reset their characters...yes it's a gray area, but every time you allow something like this, you make the next questionable gaming activity more likely to be allowed...until bots and the like are back in...and the game is no longer fun for the main base of players.

 

 

 

There is no need to ban them really. It's an issue with the game engine, and not completly the players fault. To solve the problem, one simply has to understand how it works.

 

 

 

A player puts on melee armor, and splashes a spider. Under normal circumstances after a few mintues of combat, and no keyboard interactions, the game will auto log you. To stay logged in, players simply put a cellphone/paper-weight on a spacebar or arrow key.

 

 

 

To solve the problem Jagex simply need to alter the log mechanic so that if you hold the same key(s) on your keyboard for 5 mintues or greater, it will no longer keep you logged in. The ingame mechanic will then kick them off. Problem solved and it hurts no-one except AFK'ers.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I say permaban these players or reset their characters...yes it's a gray area, but every time you allow something like this, you make the next questionable gaming activity more likely to be allowed...until bots and the like are back in...and the game is no longer fun for the main base of players.

 

 

 

There is no need to ban them really. It's an issue with the game engine, and not completly the players fault. To solve the problem, one simply has to understand how it works.

 

 

 

A player puts on melee armor, and splashes a spider. Under normal circumstances after a few mintues of combat, and no keyboard interactions, the game will auto log you. To stay logged in, players simply put a cellphone/paper-weight on a spacebar or arrow key.

 

 

 

To solve the problem Jagex simply need to alter the log mechanic so that if you hold the same key(s) on your keyboard for 5 mintues or greater, it will no longer keep you logged in. The ingame mechanic will then kick them off. Problem solved and it hurts no-one except AFK'ers.

 

 

 

Probably the easiest thing is a combat timer. If you're attacking something and don't kill it within 5 minutes, it exits combat and respawns at its respawn point. You exempt a few boss monsters from this, i.e. KQ, KBD, Corporeal. Problem solved.

[SportsGuy]

 

There is no need to ban them really. It's an issue with the game engine, and not completly the players fault. To solve the problem, one simply has to understand how it works.

 

 

 

That's like saying it's the banks fault because they didn't lock up the money good enough to keep robbers out. Faulty logic.

 

 

A player puts on melee armor, and splashes a spider. Under normal circumstances after a few mintues of combat, and no keyboard interactions, the game will auto log you. To stay logged in, players simply put a cellphone/paper-weight on a spacebar or arrow key.

 

 

 

To solve the problem Jagex simply need to alter the log mechanic so that if you hold the same key(s) on your keyboard for 5 mintues or greater, it will no longer keep you logged in. The ingame mechanic will then kick them off. Problem solved and it hurts no-one except AFK'ers.

 

The problem isn't "solved" then...it's passed off. I suppose it would temporarily change those issues, but it's circumventing rules in order to artificially enjoy those spoils.

 

 

 

Perhaps they could remove experience gained for casting and only award it in cases where monsters actually have the potential for damaging you or if you are doing damage.

[gspbeetle]

 

There is no need to ban them really. It's an issue with the game engine, and not completly the players fault. To solve the problem, one simply has to understand how it works.

 

 

 

That's like saying it's the banks fault because they didn't lock up the money good enough to keep robbers out. Faulty logic.

 

 

Hard to tell. Its like the bank's guard left the door open and the robber just go in and take the money out.

 

Obviously, the robber is law breaking (although not too obvious in the afker's case), however it is part of the bank's fault to leave their safe door wide open. Does it matter? Yes, in terms of sentencing in court.

 

 

 

 

The problem isn't "solved" then...it's passed off. I suppose it would temporarily change those issues, but it's circumventing rules in order to artificially enjoy those spoils.

 

 

 

Perhaps they could remove experience gained for casting and only award it in cases where monsters actually have the potential for damaging you or if you are doing damage.

 

So you are saying exp for a spell = damage done*(old base exp+old maxhit exp)/maxhit ?

 

But what about god spells? Their max hit increased by 50% when used with charge... How can we calculate the exp?

[MattR]

I have a HUGE problem with people afk-ing whilst training melee, range or magic. It really makes me angry when I see people doing this anywhere. Now, skilling like while Fishing or Woodcutting is fine. Eventually the fishing spot moves and you just stand there and the tree falls down too, so you stop cutting it, but with the Spiders, you just keep going, and going, and going, and going, and going and going.

[gspbeetle]

I have a HUGE problem with people afk-ing whilst training melee, range or magic. It really makes me angry when I see people doing this anywhere. Now, skilling like while Fishing or Woodcutting is fine. Eventually the fishing spot moves and you just stand there and the tree falls down too, so you stop cutting it, but with the Spiders, you just keep going, and going, and going, and going, and going and going.

 

 

 

I dont see a [caps]huge[/caps] problem unless you go insane and start wreak havoc.

 

As said before, they are 6x inefficient than an alcher and pretty much burning money inefficiently.

 

Btw, how can you afk melee/range?

 

Anyway, there is a limit. 6 hour limit, the amount of runes (25k GE limit) and fund they have.

[Sir_Kurity]

I say permaban these players or reset their characters...yes it's a gray area, but every time you allow something like this, you make the next questionable gaming activity more likely to be allowed...until bots and the like are back in...and the game is no longer fun for the main base of players.

 

 

 

Lol no. Then the opposite effect would happen and people would want people banned for 25k tricking, and other small things.

[sadukar123]

 

If you used even a trifle of common sense you would see that acctually the two are more similar than you might guess, but the only differance is how frequently you HAVE to click, rather than if they are legit.

 

Wrong, the difference is that one is AT the computer, the other most likely NOT.

 

 

 

The both methods are legit on the basis that the game gathers experiance for you while you have the commodity of time that you HAVE to(yes, no browsing forums while fishing, or you are just as bad as thos mages....) spend doing nothing.

Nobody has a problem if you do it at the computer, that's just stupidity, why do something slow when you are in control anyway? It's the people who leave their computers and do it over night or school that matters.

 

 

 

Is magic not a part of the game? Used without concern? Runescape is not a beta, so everything you can do in it is legit until proven not to be.

Right, so if I discover a huge bug that gives me infinite cash I can abuse it as much as I want, since no one knows but me, and it's legit since it's not proven otherwise.

 

 

 

What a BS concept.

 

 

 

I'd certainly class this problem together with all the other semi-afk skills...

 

Right, read quote one.

 

You are looking this problem one dimensionally- if a mage does no damage he is afk and thus is cheating- but in the real world noone is guilty until proven so.

 

This is not the real world.

 

 

 

Edit: Stupid quote tags.

[xpx]

 

If you used even a trifle of common sense you would see that acctually the two are more similar than you might guess, but the only differance is how frequently you HAVE to click, rather than if they are legit.

 

Wrong, the difference is that one is AT the computer, the other most likely NOT.

 

 

 

The both methods are legit on the basis that the game gathers experiance for you while you have the commodity of time that you HAVE to(yes, no browsing forums while fishing, or you are just as bad as thos mages....) spend doing nothing.

Nobody has a problem if you do it at the computer, that's just stupidity, why do something slow when you are in control anyway? It's the people who leave their computers and do it over night or school that matters.

 

 

 

Is magic not a part of the game? Used without concern? Runescape is not a beta, so everything you can do in it is legit until proven not to be.

Right, so if I discover a huge bug that gives me infinite cash I can abuse it as much as I want, since no one knows but me, and it's legit since it's not proven otherwise.

 

 

 

What a BS concept.

 

 

 

I'd certainly class this problem together with all the other semi-afk skills...

 

Right, read quote one.

 

You are looking this problem one dimensionally- if a mage does no damage he is afk and thus is cheating- but in the real world noone is guilty until proven so.

 

This is not the real world.

 

 

 

Edit: Stupid quote tags.

 

This is not the real world? do not REAL people play the game? The law concernes the internet aswell as everything else, so yes, this is the real world and jagex can not ban anyone without proof, nor are you anything else but an idiot if you say that they are afking, because, unless you can prove it, those are just filthy lies.

 

 

 

And for your information, if you do find a bug you can always abuse it until jagex does state that it is a bug. It has happent 100s of times when abusers have got off with that and will most certainly be that way- we are not responsible for their poor foresight and thus should and will not suffer for it. They only issue bans to people knowingly abusing bugs.

 

 

 

And an inefficient method? should we ban everyone fishing sharks too? because they are semi-afk and are training very inefficiently... Anyone is welcome to choose any method of training they want and it's not your place to tell them off.

[Omali]

There is no need to ban them really. It's an issue with the game engine, and not completly the players fault. To solve the problem, one simply has to understand how it works.

 

 

 

I wish people would stop justifying rule breakers and cheaters by blaming Jagex.

 

 

 

Durial shouldn't be banned when the game allowed him to kill all those players!

 

Those players who maliciously glitched the penguins shouldn't be banned, it allowed them millions of xp in the course of 15 minutes!

 

Scammers shouldn't be banned, the people they scam should be for being so stupid!

 

Password scammers are just smarter than the people they scam, they shouldn't be banned!

 

 

 

Stop saying it's ok to cheat because a glitch, an exploit, another player's gullibility, or an oversight in the system allows for it. That's not a valid excuse.

 

 

 

"Sorry Officer, I stole the car because the doors were unlocked. It's really the car owner's fault, ya know?"

[Me_Hate_Libs]

This is not the real world? do not REAL people play the game? The law concernes the internet aswell as everything else, so yes, this is the real world and jagex can not ban anyone without proof, nor are you anything else but an idiot if you say that they are afking, because, unless you can prove it, those are just filthy lies.

 

 

 

Um, no. This isn't the real world. This is a fake world being run on servers by real people. And as it's Jagex's game that they have developed, and run on servers which they own and operate. My point is that as it's their game, they can ban you for any reason they choose fit. Fair or otherwise. Granted if they did it for unfair reasons they would develop a reptuation and ultimately their game and de facto their pocketbooks would suffer. So while it is not in their best interest to ban people unfairly, they have every right to do it. Granted this has nothing to do with the topic being discussed, but setting you straight. :ugeek:

[sadukar123]

 

This is not the real world? do not REAL people play the game? The law concernes the internet aswell as everything else, so yes, this is the real world and jagex can not ban anyone without proof, nor are you anything else but an idiot if you say that they are afking, because, unless you can prove it, those are just filthy lies.

 

 

Right, because in real life you can do nothing and still get smarter/stronger/whatever. You signed a god damn EULA, learn to read it. YOU DO NOT OWN THE ACCOUNT, IT IS JAGEX PROPERTY, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

 

 

 

And for your information, if you do find a bug you can always abuse it until jagex does state that it is a bug. It has happent 100s of times when abusers have got off with that and will most certainly be that way- we are not responsible for their poor foresight and thus should and will not suffer for it. They only issue bans to people knowingly abusing bugs.

 

Congratulations, you just won stupid post of the year award. You agreed NOT to abuse any potential bugs/glitches if you find them.

 

 

 

And an inefficient method? should we ban everyone fishing sharks too? because they are semi-afk and are training very inefficiently... Anyone is welcome to choose any method of training they want and it's not your place to tell them off.

 

I am not telling you again, there is A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT THE COMPUTER AND STILL GAINING XP AND ACTUALLY BEING AT THE COMPUTER.

[gspbeetle]

 

I wish people would stop justifying rule breakers and cheaters by blaming Jagex.

 

 

 

Durial shouldn't be banned when the game allowed him to kill all those players!

 

Those players who maliciously glitched the penguins shouldn't be banned, it allowed them millions of xp in the course of 15 minutes!

 

Scammers shouldn't be banned, the people they scam should be for being so stupid!

 

Password scammers are just smarter than the people they scam, they shouldn't be banned!

 

 

 

Stop saying it's ok to cheat because a glitch, an exploit, another player's gullibility, or an oversight in the system allows for it. That's not a valid excuse.

 

 

 

"Sorry Officer, I stole the car because the doors were unlocked. It's really the car owner's fault, ya know?"

 

 

 

Durial and scammers' victum lose everything to them... How does wind striker's affect you? Mind rune didnt even raise 1 gp.

 

 

 

Penguins abusers make million of xp in 15mins and cost nothing! Wind striker only gain <8k/hour and cost 1.6gp per exp... See the difference? You can easily get well more exp/hour and cheaper by your so-called "legit" methods. Any advantages? None.

 

 

 

You stole your neighbour's car, the neighbour lose a car.

 

The situation now is a bit like you see a person trying to make money by lending gameboys at school.

 

You can report him and let his gameboy confiscated by your teacher... But you are hurt in the process except being annoyed by the fact and you gain absoultly nothing by reporting him...

[sadukar123]

 

I wish people would stop justifying rule breakers and cheaters by blaming Jagex.

 

 

 

Durial shouldn't be banned when the game allowed him to kill all those players!

 

Those players who maliciously glitched the penguins shouldn't be banned, it allowed them millions of xp in the course of 15 minutes!

 

Scammers shouldn't be banned, the people they scam should be for being so stupid!

 

Password scammers are just smarter than the people they scam, they shouldn't be banned!

 

 

 

Stop saying it's ok to cheat because a glitch, an exploit, another player's gullibility, or an oversight in the system allows for it. That's not a valid excuse.

 

 

 

"Sorry Officer, I stole the car because the doors were unlocked. It's really the car owner's fault, ya know?"

 

 

 

Durial and scammers' victum lose everything to them... How does wind striker's affect you? Mind rune didnt even raise 1 gp.

 

 

 

Penguins abusers make million of xp in 15mins and cost nothing! Wind striker only gain <8k/hour and cost 1.6gp per exp... See the difference? You can easily get well more exp/hour and cheaper by your so-called "legit" methods. Any advantages? None.

 

 

 

You stole your neighbour's car, the neighbour lose a car.

 

The situation now is a bit like you see a person trying to make money by lending gameboys at school.

 

You can report him and let his gameboy confiscated by your teacher... But you are hurt in the process except being annoyed by the fact and you gain absoultly nothing by reporting him...

 

The people who do it while they are at school or asleep gains an unfair advantage over people who don't do it.

[gspbeetle]

 

The people who do it while they are at school or asleep gains an unfair advantage over people who don't do it.

 

 

 

They are paying stupid money for something that is 6x inefficient than alching, they are just screwing themselves.

 

 

 

Assume you and him are both no-lifers.

 

You can just turn off your mechine for the 8 hours while working and immeditely start doing 65k per hour exp of alching back at hom.

 

They have to regain the 102k gp they wasted on the 8 hours during afking (which only give them 64k exp) before they can restart the efficient power training.

 

 

 

Come on, people have to understand wind striking is horribly slow and expensive, you are better off not doing it unless you really hate hate hate clicking.

[sadukar123]

 

The people who do it while they are at school or asleep gains an unfair advantage over people who don't do it.

 

 

 

They are paying stupid money for something that is 6x inefficient than alching, they are just screwing themselves.

 

 

 

Assume you and him are both no-lifers.

 

You can just turn off your mechine for the 8 hours while working and immeditely start doing 65k per hour exp of alching back at hom.

 

They have to regain the 102k gp they wasted on the 8 hours during afking (which only give them 64k exp) before they can restart the efficient power training.

 

No.

 

 

 

They gain an extra 64k XP which you would not have got. Money isn't an issue, since it's so easily earned right now. Plus most people have enough mind runes it's junk as a by product of Slayer, so it's really free.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

When people say AFK, they mean Away From Keyboard and they mean it *literally*. We're not talking about people who have several windows going and are swtiching between them. We mean people who get up, walk away from the keyboard, and do other things.

 

 

 

Being AFK isn't an immoral thing. If you go get a soda, take a leak, what have you, that isn't a bad thing. But when you go through methods to bypass the auto logout timer, this is when you're breaking a rule and being AFK in a bad way.

 

 

 

Do we all understand this now? :roll:

[muggiwhplar]

kinda funny how you can become a "master of magic" w/o ever landing a successful spell on someone/something lol

 

 

 

i wouldn't be surprised if jagex ends up making combat spells omit the base magic xp unless you don't splash

[3hitm4g3u]

When people say AFK, they mean Away From Keyboard and they mean it *literally*. We're not talking about people who have several windows going and are swtiching between them. We mean people who get up, walk away from the keyboard, and do other things.

 

 

 

Being AFK isn't an immoral thing. If you go get a soda, take a leak, what have you, that isn't a bad thing. But when you go through methods to bypass the auto logout timer, this is when you're breaking a rule and being AFK in a bad way.

 

 

 

Do we all understand this now? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

This was established on the first few pages.

[Souljabuzz]

Its just like someone said on the first page, how do you know they're not sitting at the computer desk watching the screen. It wouldn't be a problem if they were chatting while doing it. So really there is no problem with it. Its not really effecting our game majorly if at all.

 

 

 

~Please do not post your entire contribution in one color as it makes it difficult to read on some forum layouts. ~Laura0077

[Me_Hate_Libs]

When people say AFK, they mean Away From Keyboard and they mean it *literally*. We're not talking about people who have several windows going and are swtiching between them. We mean people who get up, walk away from the keyboard, and do other things.

 

 

 

Being AFK isn't an immoral thing. If you go get a soda, take a leak, what have you, that isn't a bad thing. But when you go through methods to bypass the auto logout timer, this is when you're breaking a rule and being AFK in a bad way.

 

 

 

Do we all understand this now? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

This was established on the first few pages.

 

 

 

From the last few pages it didn't seem like anyone was paying attention then. I guess I'll say that I wished to re-establish the point since it seemed to have been overlooked.

 

 

 

Maybe magic will be split into two type of Magic? Combat and noncombat. I mean, it is a bit dumb.

 

 

 

"I just alched 18,000 longbows. This have taught me how to stop you from teleporting and how to freeze you." :roll:

 

 

 

Oh, and when you see someone doing it for 24 hours straight, kind of a dead give away. And also, *affecting* with an a, not an e.

[sadukar123]

Its just like someone said on the first page, how do you know they're not sitting at the computer desk watching the screen. It wouldn't be a problem if they were chatting while doing it. So really there is no problem with it. Its not really effecting our game majorly if at all.

 

They'd be stupid if they did that. Most people do it when they sleep and/or outside doing something else.

[xpx]

And for your information, if you do find a bug you can always abuse it until jagex does state that it is a bug. It has happent 100s of times when abusers have got off with that and will most certainly be that way- we are not responsible for their poor foresight and thus should and will not suffer for it. They only issue bans to people knowingly abusing bugs.

 

Congratulations, you just won stupid post of the year award. You agreed NOT to abuse any potential bugs/glitches if you find them.

 

 

 

And an inefficient method? should we ban everyone fishing sharks too? because they are semi-afk and are training very inefficiently... Anyone is welcome to choose any method of training they want and it's not your place to tell them off.

 

I am not telling you again, there is A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT THE COMPUTER AND STILL GAINING XP AND ACTUALLY BEING AT THE COMPUTER.

 

Stupid or not, but with my knowledge of how jagex handles different situations(having been around for so long) that is the practice they use for bugs, and the agreement isn't worth anything, because most of the time there is a fine line between abuse and not abuse, and they just look away from people just barely crossing it. Also, the agreement of not abusing bugs is clearly stated in my post, and it is not the players problem to tell the differance between what is and isn't a bug.

 

 

 

And well, the afking thing can easily be explained by a similar real world problem. As we all know(or if you don't then don't read on), god does not exist. But the major factor of sence the believers stand by is that those that don't believe should prove what they are saying, and as we all know, it's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist. The same way both you and I know that those people are breaking jagex rules and should ultimately get banned for it, but the diffeance is, you are running around the street yelling that god does not exist, and i'm using my common sence and just ignoring a problem that is not mine to solve.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

It's like this. If I go to work, and take an hour off for lunch, I'm still getting paid. I should clock out ainsce I'm not working, but if I don't clock out, I still get paid. As long as I don't clock out and don't get caught, I'll still keep getting paid. If I get caught, I'll get reprimanded. So to avoid that, I should clock out.

[lavirylime]

Why do people keep talking about exploiting bugs? A bug is not the same as a mechanics loophole.

 

 

 

And none of you crybabies even stopped to think about the possibility of a diminishing-returns system.