1500+ worlds? IN F2P?!

[Youmu]

From the recent Q & A:

Q: When you released the new "1000 total level" worlds, I'm sure many people were pleased; however, you would think the purpose of these worlds was to get skilled players a world without noobs. Well, I think at least 90% of all the people on the F2P world are ex-members (all the skilled "non-ex-members" are on many different worlds, but there are always large quantities on world 61). The member worlds are almost the opposite of the F2P ones. It is not hard to achieve a total level of 1000 if you are a member. Would you please change the limits of the "1000 total level" worlds?

 

A: After all the feedback we’ve received, we are changing them to 1500+ worlds.

Thread found here.

 

Ok, here's why I'm ranting about this.

 

1. 1000 total is already challenging enough on F2P. The ONLY problem with it is that ex-members are able to enter it, and that should be fixed, by the suggestion below.

2. With this change, only the very, very top F2Pers are able to enter these worlds, AND they must train the new skill.

3. The F2P cap is 1494 right now. Yes, I'm aware that the new skill will change this, but if they release this world sooner than the new skill, no F2Pers will be able to enter it.

 

Honestly, having 1500+ worlds is going to hurt more than help. Sure, it raises the P2P requirement to something quite reasonable (about 60 each skill), but it takes F2Pers to the absolute, ABSOLUTE extreme (about 94 each skill).

 

Really, just leave the F2P skill total world as is (only F2P skills count however), and JUST raise the P2P world to this suggested 1500+.

 

Also, this is NOT another one of those "F2P want moar" rants. I am NOT a person who wants to ask more for F2P, in fact, I just want the new skill right now. So, all you rant forum trolls such as Gidion, just go away and never come back, because you guys are NOT accomplishing anything. You guys are only doing this for your own enjoyment to hurt others.

 

EDIT:

My suggestion would be only F2P skills count towards the 1000 total requirement as you can't use the P2P skills there anyway.

I think this might be a nice idea, to get rid of the current problem with the F2P skill world while also letting ex-members in.

 

Oh, and by the way, only 1 level from each member skill shall count to your F2P total in the skill total world. That way, you don't need 1009 total to access the world (which is very contradicting).

[Lielac]

Nonono, 1500+ is for members. 'Twas a bit vague, but 1500+ is mems.

[Maxingmck]

OMFG I CANT USE 1 WORLD BECAUSE I AM TOO LOW LEVEL *CRYCRYCRY*

[Youmu]

Nonono, 1500+ is for members. 'Twas a bit vague, but 1500+ is mems.

However, you may never know. What Jagex was stating in the Q & A is that they will change BOTH worlds, not just the P2P world. If that happens... :evil:

 

OMFG I CANT USE 1 WORLD BECAUSE I AM TOO LOW LEVEL *CRYCRYCRY*

That would be a more reasonable argument if the topic was about 1000+ worlds, but due to the over-over-tediousness of F2P entering this new 1500+ world, that's why I'm ranting.

[stonewall337]

Get mems then?

[Maleficus1055]

Get mems then?

 

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

[K4ylan]

Get mems then?

 

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

 

Well, it is obviously pointless to give F2P something they can't use. You wouldn't give a vegetarian free ham and think 'it's ok, it's free.' Like sonic already pointed out, 1500 Total F2P worlds would only pertain to about 50 or so nonmembers, assuming that it comes out after the new skill. Besides, they are supporting the fact that it is the number 1 free game.

[Youmu]

Get mems then?

If you don't have anything resourceful to say, then don't post.

 

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

Like I already stated in my opening post, stubborn P2P trolls like you should shut up and not post in this thread.

 

I'll say again: I'm not asking for new content, and I'm not being a whiny F2Per like how you awful P2Pers claim us to be. I'm simply stating that 1500+ worlds in F2P are useless and actually hurts more than help.

 

Well, it is obviously pointless to give F2P something they can't use. You wouldn't give a vegetarian free ham and think 'it's ok, it's free.' Like sonic already pointed out, 1500 Total F2P worlds would only pertain to about 50 or so nonmembers, assuming that it comes out after the new skill. Besides, they are supporting the fact that it is the number 1 free game.

Thanks for restating my point, Guardknox. At least you know what you are talking about, unlike the rest of the other posters.

[BiJay]

Get mems then?

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

F2P is a big part of RuneScape and advertising is still a profitable aspect for Jagex. Making the free game better earns Jagex more players which will eventually turn into P2P. Your sentence lacks this logic which makes your post useless. Jagex stated numerous times they want F2P to give them feedback about the game.

 

@topic: I don't think making the F2P 1000+ world for pure F2Ps only would be the right thing. It would only enrage ex-members. My suggestion would be only F2P skills count towards the 1000 total requirement as you can't use the P2P skills there anyway.

[Juhnie]

I don't know should I laugh or should I cry over the fact that one can't make a SINGLE thread in the Rants forum as a F2P player without getting trolls going "just pay ur 5$", "get mems then" or "you don't play so u don't deserve anything u shud be happy with w/e you have now". :unsure:

 

What comes to the topic, changing the worlds into 1500+ for F2P too would be just idiotic. Yes, there are ex-Members (like me) who could easily access them still, but they are mainly meant for F2P, not ex-Members. It's a F2P world, not P2P-gone-F2P world, and therefore its entry requirements should, in my opinion, be considered from the point of a pure F2Per.

 

Although I don't agree with your idea of shutting ex-Members out of the worlds. I want my spam-free Grand Exchange! D:

[The_Fray]

Get mems then?

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

F2P is a big part of RuneScape and advertising is still a profitable aspect for Jagex. Making the free game better earns Jagex more players which will eventually turn into P2P. Your sentence lacks this logic which makes your post useless. Jagex stated numerous times they want F2P to give them feedback about the game.

 

@topic: I don't think making the F2P 1000+ world for pure F2Ps only would be the right thing. It would only enrage ex-members. My suggestion would be only F2P skills count towards the 1000 total requirement as you can't use the P2P skills there anyway.

This, I would be very disappointed if I cannot enter a f2p world just because I was a member and trained by member skills. I would support these worlds only allowing you access if your F2p skills are over 1000+.

[Omali]

1. 1000 total is already challenging enough on F2P. The ONLY problem with it is that ex-members are able to enter it, and only that should be fixed.

2. With this change, only the very, very top F2Pers are able to enter these worlds, AND they must train the new skill.

3. The F2P cap is 1494 right now. Yes, I'm aware that the new skill will change this, but if they release this world sooner than the new skill, no F2Pers will be able to enter it.

 

1. I know, let's MURDER the ex-members. I mean, they have members skills trained from a time where they once paid, Vergasen wir einige Ehemalig-mitglieder!

2. Oh no, MUST train the new skill? That's like, why doesn't Jagex just start another earthquake in Haiti. Do they have no hearts, making people train a skill?

3. And you know they're going to release this before the new skill...how?

 

Honestly, having 1500+ worlds is going to hurt more than help. Sure, it raises the P2P requirement to something quite reasonable (about 60 each skill), but it takes F2Pers to the absolute, ABSOLUTE extreme (about 94 each skill).

 

I like how you add in that blanket statement and then drop it with no context. It's going to hurt more than it's going to help?

 

Really, just make the F2P skill total world pure F2Pers only, and JUST raise the P2P world to this suggested 1500+.

 

And yet when the worlds come out, the free players on it will be much less elitist than you are. Pure f2p! Die Mitglieder sind Schmarotzer auf unserem Spiel!

 

Also, this is NOT another one of those "F2P want moar" rants. I am NOT a person who wants to ask more for F2P, in fact, I just want the new skill right now. So, all you rant forum trolls such as Gidion, just go away and never come back, because you guys are NOT accomplishing anything..

 

No, it's an attempt to form a let's-hate-ex-members lynch mob. You're not asking for more in free play, you're asking for less for people who may have once paid. As for not accomplishing anything, speak for yourself.

 

You guys are only doing this for your own enjoyment to hurt others

 

Crawling in mein skin,

these wounds they just won't heal.

 

 

Like I already stated in my opening post, stubborn P2P trolls like you should shut up and not post in this thread.

 

Self-indulgent, crybaby freeplay demo-playing kiddies like you should stop posting demands for something you contribute less than pennies on the dollar for compared to members. Usually when someone says "don't post in my thread" it's an indication you have nothing to say, or don't have the intellect to respond to any retorts with anything other than "omg get oot troll"

 

I'll say again: I'm not asking for new content, and I'm not being a whiny F2Per like how you awful P2Pers claim us to be. I'm simply stating that 1500+ worlds in F2P are useless and actually hurts more than help.

 

No, you're being an elitist whiny free player. And there's that "hurt more than help" thing. Is it going to starve someone? No? Still not explanation to why it hurts.

 

Well, it is obviously pointless to give F2P something they can't use. You wouldn't give a vegetarian free ham and think 'it's ok, it's free.' Like sonic already pointed out, 1500 Total F2P worlds would only pertain to about 50 or so nonmembers, assuming that it comes out after the new skill. Besides, they are supporting the fact that it is the number 1 free game.

 

Technically giving a ham to a vegetarian would be giving them something they won't use rather than can't, but I digress. If only the top dogs at f2p and ex-members can use the world: Tough. Stop treating ex-members like they somehow rank below "pure members."

 

Otherwise, you could always give Sonic here ham and turn him into Sonic the Ham...

 

At least you know what you are talking about, unlike the rest of the other posters.

 

I love this post! You know, statistically this post is guaranteed to appear in a whiny thread that has at least one supporter in it.

 

Note the sly, subtle point that the supporter knows what he's talking about, unlike some other people. The intent by the speaker is to imply that us non-elitists are too stupid to get the hint, and will be sitting there like

 

"omg, is he talking about me? I bet he's talking about you."

[Youmu]

F2P is a big part of RuneScape and advertising is still a profitable aspect for Jagex. Making the free game better earns Jagex more players which will eventually turn into P2P. Your sentence lacks this logic which makes your post useless. Jagex stated numerous times they want F2P to give them feedback about the game.

 

@topic: I don't think making the F2P 1000+ world for pure F2Ps only would be the right thing. It would only enrage ex-members. My suggestion would be only F2P skills count towards the 1000 total requirement as you can't use the P2P skills there anyway.

I like your idea about the F2P-only skills being included into the pure F2P world, not the P2P skills. I'm going to include this in the OP.

 

I don't know should I laugh or should I cry over the fact that once can't make a SINGLE thread in the Rants forum as a F2P player without getting trolls going "just pay ur 5$", "get mems then" or "you don't play so u don't deserve anything u shud be happy with w/e you have now". :unsure:

 

What comes to the topic, changing the worlds into 1500+ for F2P too would be just idiotic. Yes, there are ex-Members (like me) who could easily access them still, but they are mainly meant for F2P, not ex-Members. It's a F2P world, not P2P-gone-F2P world, and therefore its entry requirements should, in my opinion, be considered from the point of a pure F2Per.

 

Although I don't agree with your idea of shutting ex-Members out of the worlds. I want my spam-free Grand Exchange! D:

I know right? P2P always loves to use that statement to taunt us F2Pers. D:

 

And yeah, I thought over it, and I guess ex-members should be able to access the F2P world. Bijay's post is what led to what I'm thinking.

 

This, I would be very disappointed if I cannot enter a f2p world just because I was a member and trained by member skills. I would support these worlds only allowing you access if your F2p skills are over 1000+.

Sorry, I was kinda overreacting. I only said that due to the F2P world right now is practically PACKED with ex-members. This defeats the purpose of the F2P skill world.

 

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, Omali. Sure, this is the rants forum and everything with all the trolls that like to start flame wars <_< , but I'm just not the type that likes to ignite a massive argument (I'm not Quelmotz or Compfreak). Sorry if you are a debate lover. :(

[Zaaps1]

Get mems then?

 

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

 

That's not the problem. The problem is that it's not fair and not logical.

 

I agree with the proposition that only F2P skills count.

[CowsEatFood]

.....

tl;dr.

 

It'd be nice if they did 1k+ total (just f2p skills) world. Pure f2p's would have to get 1009 total, but odarn.

[ilovecuttingyews]

This entire topic is just reenforcing why I like F2P more then P2P. Whenever F2P asks for something (most of the time it's super small), P2Pers go into elitist mode and start saying 'Pay $5 is you want something". Yes, we understand that you pay and therefore should get more, but when jagex gives a world to F2P, F2Pers should at least be able to play on it.

F2P is not asking for a F2P only world, rather, they're asking for a world that you can only use F2P levels towards. Why should the fact that you got 99 herblore give you an advantage in F2P? Faster levling techniques in P2P for F2P skills should be advantage enough.

 

Before people start flaming me for being a F2P noob, I am currently (and have been in the past) a member. P2P is no more mature then F2P. In F2P you have level 10 newbs begging for 5k gp whereas in P2P you have level 90 noobs begging for a GS lend. F2P is just where P2Pers have their throwaway accs that they don't bother acting maturly. I have heard it time and time again, "I dont care if this acc gets banned because I have a member acc".

 

F2P wants something small = P2P says F2P doesn't deserve it

P2P gets something pretty decent = P2P demands more

 

Who's more mature?

[Rock Hard]

i agree with the OP - It's a complete waste to give f2p's a 1500+ world

 

give members an extra server instead - they pay for it

[Youmu]

That's not the problem. The problem is that it's not fair and not logical.

 

I agree with the proposition that only F2P skills count.

Exactly, and yet a lot of the posters are thinking of this as another one of those "f2p want moar" threads.

 

Also, when I say only F2P skills count, this is also taking into consideration of the "level 1 member skills". That way, F2P does NOT have to train to 1009 to access the world.

 

It'd be nice if they did 1k+ total (just f2p skills) world. Pure f2p's would have to get 1009 total, but odarn.

Like I said above, only 1 level from each member skill will count towards your F2P total, so you don't need 1009.

 

This entire topic is just reenforcing why I like F2P more then P2P. Whenever F2P asks for something (most of the time it's super small), P2Pers go into elitist mode and start saying 'Pay $5 is you want something". Yes, we understand that you pay and therefore should get more, but when jagex gives a world to F2P, F2Pers should at least be able to play on it.

F2P is not asking for a F2P only world, rather, they're asking for a world that you can only use F2P levels towards. Why should the fact that you got 99 herblore give you an advantage in F2P? Faster levling techniques in P2P for F2P skills should be advantage enough.

 

Before people start flaming me for being a F2P noob, I am currently (and have been in the past) a member. P2P is no more mature then F2P. In F2P you have level 10 newbs begging for 5k gp whereas in P2P you have level 90 noobs begging for a GS lend. F2P is just where P2Pers have their throwaway accs that they don't bother acting maturly. I have heard it time and time again, "I dont care if this acc gets banned because I have a member acc".

 

F2P wants something small = P2P says F2P doesn't deserve it

P2P gets something pretty decent = P2P demands more

 

Who's more mature?

Well said, ilovecuttingyews. That is also another one of the reasons why I am not planning (and will never be) a member.

 

i agree with the OP - It's a complete waste to give f2p's a 1500+ world

 

give members an extra server instead - they pay for it

Making an extra server would cost more in servers to Jagex, so it wouldn't really be that great in the long run.

 

Also, I'm surprised you haven't flamed me for putting that in the OP.

 

And all you P2Pers that likes to bash us F2Pers (specifically looking at Omali's post), I want you guys to take a good, hard look at this:

 

Doesn't this prove something? That P2Pers are as immature as F2Pers? And yet you guys still stereotype us all the time. Maybe THAT'S why you guys love to bash our F2P threads with your "dont moan, pay ur 5$ you noobs" crap. Well, you know what? We're not gonna listen to you, and we're just gonna do this (sorry wcing):

Na I think I'll 'moan' some moar.

(If anyone actually gets what he means, a cookie for you. ;) )

[Skull]

I thought it should have been 1000 with only f2p skills to start off with. I'd say when I went on the 1k+ world (like once a few weeks after it first came out admittedly) the majority of thee players on there seemed to be members who were just barely scraping by with 1000 total which sort of defeats the purpose of only letting players with more "elite" skills in since they could have f2p stats averaging in the 40's instead of in the 70's.

 

I think if they actually wanted to make elite worlds they would have been better off with 1100 in only f2p stats and 1800 for members because even if it did get changed to 1500 for members, I could get into the world, and let's be honest, I suck pretty hard.

 

I don't play anymore though, so I don't really care.

[Sevestia]

To those saying "o u shud get mems" - are you kidding? Some people can't pay for membership even if they want to because of parents, or if they can't play often, they see it as pointless. F2P have rights just as much as members. Sure, we pay a little each month, but they work hard on skills too. They deserve something.

 

More OT: I agree that these worlds should just include the total of all F2P skills. Really is pointless giving players an update that will take years to get while we only need 60 in each skill. 1000 total in F2P skills and 1500 in members sounds just about right to me.

[Shazarabbit]

Maybe it'd be more logical to have the points not count on F2P worlds, much like any other P2P armour etc etc that just doesn't count?

[stevepole]

I would just like to remind everyone to stay friendly. I haven't read through everything but from a quick scan but I can see this turning into a possible flame war. So just a friendly reminder.

[Saunamajuri]

Get mems then?

 

This. If you aren't paying for anything then don't complain and accept what you get.

Sonic has a right to ask this. But you dont have any right to doom f2p to play without any updates. Jagex decides that, not you.

[Omali]

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, Omali. Sure, this is the rants forum and everything with all the trolls that like to start flame wars <_< , but I'm just not the type that likes to ignite a massive argument (I'm not Quelmotz or Compfreak). Sorry if you are a debate lover. :(

 

Replying could have saved my co-worker that night from being subject two three and a half hours of Pinnochio Paradox, God Paradox, health care, bipartisanship, and Tiger Woods, but better to get paid to feed my habit.

[3hitm4g3u]

Tip.it needs to make Omali a mod.

 

And to the OP 1000+ total of only f2p skills is acceptable. But your suggestion before that was ludicrous.

 

I'm also pretty sure you lack the ability to enter a world which has a 1000+ f2p only total requirement. Must be the awful p2pers out to get you.