Item Duping

[The Dark Lord]

The dupers should just put their bolts into the Party Room. At least it'll benefit some other people, before the dupers get banned.

[muggiwhplar]

I'm pretty sure there's no significant correlation between a person's gaming morality and reality morality. Just because someone chooses to break the rules in a video game doesn't mean they're gonna go kick a puppy because they're some sociopath. When I got banned for bug abuse back in the day, none of my friends shunned me-- the only people who hated my guts were various Tipiters who thought I was the scum of the universe. Too many people make assumptions on these forums and take the game way too seriously, it's really disappointing :???:

[Bladewing]

The dupers should just put their bolts into the Party Room. At least it'll benefit some other people, before the dupers get banned.

No. Let the bolts go with the accounts. We don't need that kind of gp added to the market.

[pulli23]

I'm pretty sure there's no significant correlation between a person's gaming morality and reality morality. Just because someone chooses to break the rules in a video game doesn't mean they're gonna go kick a puppy because they're some sociopath. When I got banned for bug abuse back in the day, none of my friends shunned me-- the only people who hated my guts were various Tipiters who thought I was the scum of the universe. Too many people make assumptions on these forums and take the game way too seriously, it's really disappointing :???:

Well I do think there is a very close correlation: ie I've been risen in a world where freedom and respect for each others choices are very high valued.. Now in game you will never ever see me calling other people names for their choices, I just can't do that...

 

However with bug abuse it's entirely different: there is no direct correlation into real world things. And if you find a clever way to achieve something, which is a 100 times faster than any other method nobody -in real life- will get mad at you, it's actually valued if you find it.

[The Dark Lord]

The dupers should just put their bolts into the Party Room. At least it'll benefit some other people, before the dupers get banned.

No. Let the bolts go with the accounts. We don't need that kind of gp added to the market.

 

That's the point. It'll give money to random players who are lucky enough to obtain them (or at least make some good junk), but it'll also screw with the game economy.

 

Who cares what they do? It's only a game, and it's entertaining to see what happens.

 

If I wanted to quit for good, and I found out about this bug, I would abuse the living [bleep] out of it. At least have some fun, make a ton of cash, and then screw with the game and see how much damage you can cause. Try to see if I can get away with it.

 

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[stonewall337]

I'm pretty sure there's no significant correlation between a person's gaming morality and reality morality. Just because someone chooses to break the rules in a video game doesn't mean they're gonna go kick a puppy because they're some sociopath. When I got banned for bug abuse back in the day, none of my friends shunned me-- the only people who hated my guts were various Tipiters who thought I was the scum of the universe. Too many people make assumptions on these forums and take the game way too seriously, it's really disappointing :???:

The thing is, one person glitching hurts anothers gaming experience in many instances. So if nothing else you aren't acting in consideration. Although obviously not comparable on a scale of equality, glitching is slightly comparable to using steroids in sports. By making yourself better, you hurt others, and disrupt equality through illegal means.

 

And seph, then you are an inconsiderate bastard, if your idea of "fun" is degrading the quality of others fun. Sure, its the internet, that doesn't give you the right to be a git.

[ilovecuttingyews]

If I wanted to quit for good, and I found out about this bug, I would abuse the living [bleep] out of it. At least have some fun, make a ton of cash, and then screw with the game and see how much damage you can cause. Try to see if I can get away with it.

You know, I used to think you were a pretty good person from what I had seen on Tif, but after that comment....wow...... If you have such a disregard for others (be it in-game or in real life) then there is no way you can call yourself a good person. Sure, you can argue that this is a game, and it's not real. But you have to remember that there are real people behind the pixils whom you are effecting. If you think that you can just log on and leave your morals and ethics at the door then, sorry, but you should not be playing the game. People routinly say that the Runescape community is going downhill and how there are so many noobs arround. Well this is why. Because people believe that since they are behind a screen that they can go around doing whatever they want to whomever they want.

 

Your true morals are not shown under the fear of prosecution, rather they are shown when you have the power to do anything without any real consequences. If you could steal in real life without being prosecuted, would you?

[Bladewing]

The dupers should just put their bolts into the Party Room. At least it'll benefit some other people, before the dupers get banned.

No. Let the bolts go with the accounts. We don't need that kind of gp added to the market.

 

That's the point. It'll give money to random players who are lucky enough to obtain them (or at least make some good junk), but it'll also screw with the game economy.

Hell, let's just give everyone 1 billion coins. That'll improve the game! You have no understanding of the implications any glitch of this magnitude has.

 

Who cares what they do? It's only a game, and it's entertaining to see what happens.

 

If I wanted to quit for good, and I found out about this bug, I would abuse the living [bleep] out of it. At least have some fun, make a ton of cash, and then screw with the game and see how much damage you can cause. Try to see if I can get away with it.

 

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If Runescape was a single player game, I'd agree with you. Want to use cheat codes for Final Fantasy? Go ahead. But your actions, in particular bug abuse of such gravity as this, have ripple effects that can harm other players. Those other characters are PEOPLE.

 

An extreme corollary: someone collapses nearby. No one is around to see if you take his wallet. You take it, because it's just some paper in a leather billfold. It'll be fun, and you can screw with that man and see how much damage you can cause. You'll probably get away with it!

 

Harming someone in Runescape is comparable to harming someone in real life because the other players are people.

 

PS: Your image was amusing ;)

[Madouge]

 

If Runescape was a single player game, I'd agree with you. Want to use cheat codes for Final Fantasy? Go ahead. But your actions, in particular bug abuse of such gravity as this, have ripple effects that can harm other players. Those other characters are PEOPLE.

 

An extreme corollary: someone collapses nearby. No one is around to see if you take his wallet. You take it, because it's just some paper in a leather billfold. It'll be fun, and you can screw with that man and see how much damage you can cause. You'll probably get away with it!

 

Harming someone in Runescape is comparable to harming someone in real life because the other players are people.

 

PS: Your image was amusing ;)

 

Thats a ridiculous analogy, a more comparable situation would be if you discovered the secret of alchemy and were able to turn base metals into gold. So you sell of your unlimited gold and become amazingly wealthy. Sure, you're technically hurting other people who supply gold through more standard methods as the price of gold will drop, but you aren't directly hurting anyone. While I agree that people who abused these bugs should be punished, to say they really had a direct negative impact on anyone inparticular is ridiculous :?

[Madouge]

I think it is appalling the amount of players who will try to bug abuse when a bug is found

 

Because it's fun and tempting.

 

Risk is fun and if your account is banned you can just start up another.

 

As for jagex figuring out who is cheating and who is not, they can't even catch bot's that make the same repetitive movements for hours on end.

 

 

 

And bug abuse is not hurting anyone.

The RS economy is already messed up.

 

By your logic then it would be perfectly okay to physically abuse an injured animal because it's already hurt and what you do to it won't hurt anyone else.

 

By your logic, physically abusing an injured animal is the same as abusing something which isn't actually sentient, like kicking an old damaged wardrobe :lol:

[Danqazmlp]

Actually yes they are worse in one very obvious point. What they did was against the Jagex rules. However much you flirt around it, it is against the rules and should not be done. The rules in one place may differ to the next, but you still need to adhere to them.

[Urbex]

Seriously, it's just a video game. The sooner people realize nothing in it actually matters; the better.

[ilovecuttingyews]

Real life no, but if someone died pre trade update and gravestones i gladly wouldve "stole" their stuff.

Real life i wouldnt have.

Therefor your logic is flawed

And the people who duped the arrows are no worse then merch clans. So stop acting high and mighty :thumbdown:

Why should people use two different sets of values for real life and in-game? That's what I just can't grasp...Sure, its just pixils. But in real life, someone is just flesh. What makes these pixils or flesh have 'life' is the mind behind it.

 

As for your last comment, I sure hope you didn't tie those last 2 sentances together and aimed them at me. Because I have been very outspoken against manipulation and have taken down more then enough clans....but thats a different conversation for another time.

I'm not trying to act high and mighty, what I'm trying to say is that I don't have seperate morals for real life and Runescape. I believe that all people should be judged on their words and actions. If you are nice to me, then thank you. But if you abuse a bug in order to gain massive amounts of GP and know that you are harming others in the process, then sorry but to me, that is the true sign of a jerk.

[anonymouse_]

People take this game and the rules way too seriously. If I knew about this bug before it got patched, I'd abuse it as much as I could without even thinking twice. This or any other bug worth abusing.

[simran]

I guess the QA team really messed up this time.

[Aneron]

Since this was a pretty well known bug and was widely abused, I wouldnt be surprised that more than 1billion d bolts was created in this time frame. Assuming Jagex is able to catch 90% of all the abusers, that leaves about 100million d bolts in the market. This will easily cause d bolts to crash to about 1k each. Here is where it gets tricky. If d bolts crash that low, diamond bolts and other high classed bolts/range ammo would go down with it. No one would be interested in range ammos such as onyx or diamond or ruby even if dragon bolts prices became cheap. This would cause a widespread collapse in the entire upper tier range ammo market. Those would leak to the entire range ammo market causing nearly all range ammos to crash. Now if we look at the effect even wider, the gem/bars market must also be affected. People originally training smithing using bars to make into bolts would stop buying the bars as bolts would no longer sell. Magic trainers using cosmic amongst other runes to enchant bolts would stop purchasing those runes. Gems used to create enchanted bolts would also fall in price due to wide demand collapse (dragonstone and onyx might be excluded due to other uses).

 

My point, I don't see how the market cant get cabbaged unless Jagex does a rollback. (Which would make me very unhappy as I got 4 out of my total of 6 d bow drops today :'( )

 

you do realize that would require 1000 players to have made 1 million bolts each lol

 

The dupers should just put their bolts into the Party Room. At least it'll benefit some other people, before the dupers get banned.

No. Let the bolts go with the accounts. We don't need that kind of gp added to the market.

 

That's the point. It'll give money to random players who are lucky enough to obtain them (or at least make some good junk), but it'll also screw with the game economy.

Hell, let's just give everyone 1 billion coins. That'll improve the game! You have no understanding of the implications any glitch of this magnitude has.

 

depending on how many dragon bolts escape into the game, they might crash a lot. if they crash a lot, diamond bolts and diamonds themselves will crash some. I doubt that dragonstones will crash because more of them are purchased for making glories than dragon bolts anyways. considering how crazy the economy has been for the last year or so, a couple items going down a bit really seems underwhelming. it might make monster hunting/pking cheaper, but it's not like 2k diamond bolts or 7k dragon bolts made people who wanted to do those things any less likely, considering that they're profitable no matter what lol. personally I agree that it would be interesting if nothing else to see a ton of bolts thrown into the party room. no one except stealing merchers have enough of any of the items that may crash to be seriously hurt by it, and it would definitely be cool to train ranged with dragon bolts for awhile

[stonewall337]

"Its just a game" is no better excuse to harm others then "Its only words" is an excuse to mock someone for his race.

 

essentially, there is never an excuse to cause harm to others, whether its in a game, or in real life.

 

With your line of reasoning, there is nothing wrong with hacking someone's account.

[glasscube]

depending on how many dragon bolts escape into the game, they might crash a lot. if they crash a lot, diamond bolts and diamonds themselves will crash some. I doubt that dragonstones will crash because more of them are purchased for making glories than dragon bolts anyways. considering how crazy the economy has been for the last year or so, a couple items going down a bit really seems underwhelming. it might make monster hunting/pking cheaper, but it's not like 2k diamond bolts or 7k dragon bolts made people who wanted to do those things any less likely, considering that they're profitable no matter what lol. personally I agree that it would be interesting if nothing else to see a ton of bolts thrown into the party room. no one except stealing merchers have enough of any of the items that may crash to be seriously hurt by it, and it would definitely be cool to train ranged with dragon bolts for awhile

Cool to train ranged with dragon bolts for a while? If you got a 500k dragon bolt drop, you'd be using those FOREVER.

 

Truth is none of us know how much bolts were created.

 

Maybe this will give Jagex incentive to bring in new ammo to phase out the screwed up enchanted bolts.

[aspeeder]

 

If Runescape was a single player game, I'd agree with you. Want to use cheat codes for Final Fantasy? Go ahead. But your actions, in particular bug abuse of such gravity as this, have ripple effects that can harm other players. Those other characters are PEOPLE.

 

An extreme corollary: someone collapses nearby. No one is around to see if you take his wallet. You take it, because it's just some paper in a leather billfold. It'll be fun, and you can screw with that man and see how much damage you can cause. You'll probably get away with it!

 

Harming someone in Runescape is comparable to harming someone in real life because the other players are people.

 

PS: Your image was amusing ;)

 

Thats a ridiculous analogy, a more comparable situation would be if you discovered the secret of alchemy and were able to turn base metals into gold. So you sell off your unlimited gold and become amazingly wealthy. Sure, you're technically hurting other people who supply gold through more standard methods as the price of gold will drop, but you aren't directly hurting anyone. While I agree that people who abused these bugs should be punished, to say they really had a direct negative impact on anyone in particular is ridiculous :?

So causing an entire, real-life market worth untold billions of dollars, with connections with nearly every country's economy, would have no implications to you and you can just wash your hands clean? The losses in life from depressed economies wouldn't weigh the same on your soul as if you had killed them personally? Sorry that this is a bit off topic, but affecting someone's livelihood in real-life can be just as bad as physically hurting them because if you have no money in real life, unlike in rs, you die.

 

Anyways, on topic, let the crashing commence:

[anonymouse_]

"Its just a game" is no better excuse to harm others then "Its only words" is an excuse to mock someone for his race.

 

essentially, there is never an excuse to cause harm to others, whether its in a game, or in real life.

 

With your line of reasoning, there is nothing wrong with hacking someone's account.

It's a game. It's meant to be played for fun, not to be taken seriously. And as such, losing 50M or 500M should not cause any kind of emotional distress as being the target of discrimination would (or whatever other poor analogue you happen to come up with). You can't possibly compare this "harm" you cause others ingame to real life. Losing your bank in a game and that in real life is just not the same.

 

If you happen to lose your account or all your stuff, then that's your own fault. You shouldn't blame anyone for it, not even this so-called "hacker." You gain money, you lose money, it's all just a part of the game. Play along. You didn't see me cutting after I got scammed for a red phat and 3rd age ammy. I simply acknowledged it as my own stupidity and kept on playing.

[Myweponsg00d]

I guess this sucks if anyone was stocking up on these. But for me it means that I'm about to buy TONS of them and use them for random things like slayer (if they go low enough)

[1230abcz]

"Its just a game" is no better excuse to harm others then "Its only words" is an excuse to mock someone for his race.

 

essentially, there is never an excuse to cause harm to others, whether its in a game, or in real life.

 

With your line of reasoning, there is nothing wrong with hacking someone's account.

It's a game. It's meant to be played for fun, not to be taken seriously. And as such, losing 50M or 500M should not cause any kind of emotional distress as being the target of discrimination would (or whatever other poor analogue you happen to come up with). You can't possibly compare this "harm" you cause others ingame to real life. Losing your bank in a game and that in real life is just not the same.

 

If you happen to lose your account or all your stuff, then that's your own fault. You shouldn't blame anyone for it, not even this so-called "hacker." You gain money, you lose money, it's all just a part of the game. Play along. You didn't see me cutting after I got scammed for a red phat and 3rd age ammy. I simply acknowledged it as my own stupidity and kept on playing.

 

 

 

 

What... The hell... Are you on. Are you seriously arguing that money (the focal point of this ENTIRE game), is superfluous enough to just throw away? How is it that you can contrive of a perfectly coherent sentence and yet have the thought process of a deformed monkeyrabbit, which, might I add, doesn't even exist.

 

If I follow your logic correctly, you're saying that if someone breaks one of the biggest rules in Runescape but *only* destroys a portion of the economy, they should get away with it? How does this even work out?

 

Please, tell me. I'm absolutely dumbfounded at your attempt at argument.

 

 

 

[Jehosaphat]

The facepalm collage! It has returned!

 

OT: I hope there's some banning for these people. At least the ones that abused it profusely, not people who DIY pk/whatever else bolts are used for and may have accidentally ended up with a few extra bolts before realizing that it was a glitch and doing something else.

[The Dark Lord]

Game morals cannot be compared to real life. That's the end of the story.

 

Oh, and I was playing Devil's Advocate; I was just emphasizing someone's point that if you made an argument against game morals on this forum, you'll have a lot of people getting pissed off and comparing you to a sociopath.

[ArtemisCatal]

Game morals cannot be compared to real life. That's the end of the story.

 

Oh, and I was playing Devil's Advocate; I was just emphasizing someone's point that if you made an argument against game morals on this forum, you'll have a lot of people getting pissed off and comparing you to a sociopath.

It is a form of psychopathy. Basically you are saying that a layer of abstraction allows you to do almost anything. If you were playing a board game in the park, and I came by and wiped all you pieces of the board, would that be ok because its only a game? If you were playing a sport, and I walked out on the field and started sunbathing, or interducing a bunch of new balls to the court, that would be just fine, because its only a game? Why even bother to have rules in games then only allowed 5 people on the court at a time I DONT THINK SO!!!. At this point every game just will break down into a brawl.

 

This is the same damn excuse that lets people make predatory loans and a host of other indirect crimes. Because the person on the computer/piece of paper is just an abstraction, a thing instead of a person, and not something that involves a moral decision. The break down of the banking system is a direct result of people performing cause never thinking/seeing/carring about effect.

 

The intersession of a game between yours and my direct interaction does not change the fact that we are interacting one human being to another. And as such, that interaction, no matter what the mediary, is still governed by the rules of basic moral conduct in interactions between people. We can argue about the rights and responsibilities that are involved in our interaction, but do not think that we are not moral agents or moral patients just because we are in a game.