Item Duping

[Eyebeam]

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Has Jagex really been handing out bans?

 

I know of 2 people who have posted conclusive evidence that they used the dupe, but haven't been banned.

 

Lol..

brunokiller posted this picture of a guy who is holding nearly 400m worth of duped botls.

 

still on the HS

 

 

then there's the guy who made the video of it. (remove annotations to see username and stats)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6mVH9e8Gg&feature=related

 

also on the HS

 

Watch them get banned overnight while I'm asleep :P

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I've got a feeling that a majority of them won't be banned.

[Assume Nothing]

Hmmm, thought this bug was unpatched until I reread the topic. Anyways, bugs like these are bound to happen. At least this year isn't like 2009. Lol, Pvp bug, Runetek 5, Infinite Prayer, Stackable Prayers, F2p Smite, Targ bug, Penguins, etc.

 

I guess every single bolt is going to crash now. Let the chaos... ensue!

[Sy_Accursed]

To the People saying omg no bans yet:

 

Jagex have to make an action plan. The Penguin bans didn't come for a good half week after the bug was fixed.

 

Everyone who did it intentionally will get perm or temp banned eventually

[tortilliachp]

Please don't reply to troll posts, especially not with name calling

Laikrob,

Tip.It Moderator

My apologies if this is considering a different post, but how would "u mad?" be classified as name calling?

 

over zealous moderating is how it would be classified as that.

 

no, the post was no part of a discussion, so it didn't belong on this board.

 

it's the exact same thing if i were to spam ".o" on every post on this board.

[schmuall]

After the penguin glitch I thought they temp banned loads of people then gradually unbanned people when they found out the y were innocent?

 

I remember some people being reimbursed membership after this.

[3hitm4g3u]

After the penguin glitch I thought they temp banned loads of people then gradually unbanned people when they found out the y were innocent?

 

I remember some people being reimbursed membership after this.

They disabled alot of accounts while they checked which ones had abused the glitch. The ones who hadn't were reimbursed.

[bored321]

oh well, training range with d bolts might be fun :rolleyes:. I wonder how much they will drop.

[Sy_Accursed]

Probably not alot as they arent going thru the GE to quick (hence forum sell posts)

 

And the ban ahmmering is likely to effectively lock atleast 75% of the duped bolts out of the game.

[Assume Nothing]

Probably not alot as they arent going thru the GE to quick (hence forum sell posts)

 

And the ban ahmmering is likely to effectively lock atleast 75% of the duped bolts out of the game.

 

Even if say a figure of 90% of the item will not be sold, a MASS abusing of this bug will still bring in plenty of enchanted bolts. Let's just say the crash of the ranged ammo has begun.

[BeNiceOk]

Just keep in mind the people who use dragon bolts and those that use ruby/diamond/normal bolts are two different groups.

 

Dragon bolt specials do not work on Bosses, Jad, or Dragons, so the average monster hunter has very little use for them.

 

Boss hunters bolts really haven't changed much at all, other than the diamond/ruby/onyx bolts that were produced. But as was stated before, the majority of people went for the dragon bolts, so the only groups really effected by this are PKers.

 

I don't see a heavy drop in bolts, other than the dragon ones, especially considering the number of diamond and ruby bolts already in the game before the hax. A couple thousand more won't do much to the price of them.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Probably not alot as they arent going thru the GE to quick (hence forum sell posts)

 

And the ban ahmmering is likely to effectively lock atleast 75% of the duped bolts out of the game.

 

Even if say a figure of 90% of the item will not be sold, a MASS abusing of this bug will still bring in plenty of enchanted bolts. Let's just say the crash of the ranged ammo has begun.

onyx bolts wont crash either

Their GE price is already less than their alchemy value + nature rune

[Mercifull]

The price of dragon bolts (e) was dropping yesterday and today not only is it UP but it doesn't show the decrease from yesterday. Looks like Jagex are perhaps setting the prices for a little bit until the panic dies down?

[yuriqiu]

Just keep in mind the people who use dragon bolts and those that use ruby/diamond/normal bolts are two different groups.

 

Dragon bolt specials do not work on Bosses, Jad, or Dragons, so the average monster hunter has very little use for them.

 

Boss hunters bolts really haven't changed much at all, other than the diamond/ruby/onyx bolts that were produced. But as was stated before, the majority of people went for the dragon bolts, so the only groups really effected by this are PKers.

 

I don't see a heavy drop in bolts, other than the dragon ones, especially considering the number of diamond and ruby bolts already in the game before the hax. A couple thousand more won't do much to the price of them.

Dragon bolts works on Kree. I've been bored and used the d bolt dropson her before hitting 50+

 

Probably not alot as they arent going thru the GE to quick (hence forum sell posts)

 

And the ban ahmmering is likely to effectively lock atleast 75% of the duped bolts out of the game.

 

Even if say a figure of 90% of the item will not be sold, a MASS abusing of this bug will still bring in plenty of enchanted bolts. Let's just say the crash of the ranged ammo has begun.

onyx bolts wont crash either

Their GE price is already less than their alchemy value + nature rune

Never knew onyx bolts alch for that much. I guess the people who managed to dupe onyx bolts really won out here. As long as they keep their mouths shut until the heat dies down no one will ever know and they'd become instant billionaires.

[Everyonedies]

I have two thoughts First i dont think in the long run (2 -3 months down the road prices will be much different then before this started. Second other then the Bolts lost due to people being banned Jagex will not remove any dupped bolts. Well i have a bonus third thought for all the items could be dupped this is not all that bad becuase these items when used will naturally leave the game so there will be no long lasting effect.

[Saradomin_Mage]

I have two thoughts First i dont think in the long run (2 -3 months down the road prices will be much different then before this started. Second other then the Bolts lost due to people being banned Jagex will not remove any dupped bolts. Well i have a bonus third thought for all the items could be dupped this is not all that bad becuase these items when used will naturally leave the game so there will be no long lasting effect.

Short term, though, everyone dies.

[Dormado]

Hm, I do expect mass bannings to eb effective, but, what im worried about is about the smart ones.

 

The ones who duped 200K+ dragon/onyx bolts and didnt brag to anyone. God help us all, if Jagex has no way of tracking who did it, if such people remain patient and only start using them in over half of a year, they shant be tracked.

[JoeDaStudd]

Hm, I do expect mass bannings to eb effective, but, what im worried about is about the smart ones.

 

The ones who duped 200K+ dragon/onyx bolts and didnt brag to anyone. God help us all, if Jagex has no way of tracking who did it, if such people remain patient and only start using them in over half of a year, they shant be tracked.

The game logs a lot of data. Everything from movement to chat, I'm pretty sure anyone with over 1m's worth of duped bolts will be noted.

Even if they don't tell anyone its still going to show on there logs.

[ArtemisCatal]

Hm, I do expect mass bannings to eb effective, but, what im worried about is about the smart ones.

 

The ones who duped 200K+ dragon/onyx bolts and didnt brag to anyone. God help us all, if Jagex has no way of tracking who did it, if such people remain patient and only start using them in over half of a year, they shant be tracked.

The game logs a lot of data. Everything from movement to chat, I'm pretty sure anyone with over 1m's worth of duped bolts will be noted.

Even if they don't tell anyone its still going to show on there logs.

 

Question: Did they get massive amounts of fletching/magic exp to go along with all the bolts? They can surely look at the few people that had an insane xp rate and then go through those acounts one at a time. Some would have been training legitimantly, but it would be a smaller pool of players to look through.

 

But I really do think that they probably have some way to see the people that cast enchant bolt 10000 times in the last two days.

[Everyonedies]

Hm, I do expect mass bannings to eb effective, but, what im worried about is about the smart ones.

 

The ones who duped 200K+ dragon/onyx bolts and didnt brag to anyone. God help us all, if Jagex has no way of tracking who did it, if such people remain patient and only start using them in over half of a year, they shant be tracked.

The game logs a lot of data. Everything from movement to chat, I'm pretty sure anyone with over 1m's worth of duped bolts will be noted.

Even if they don't tell anyone its still going to show on there logs.

Im sure jagex can come up with a script that will check through the bank accounts of all members from before the dupping and then run the script on the bank accounts after it took place that finds all the people that stuck bolts into the bank then run a script on all members equiped items and all rouges purse(that thing that hold bolts), all invos, find people that have massive amounts of bolts in those places then look into each of those accounts and see if they bought them or if they have also gained an amount of fletching and magic xp(created the bolts themselves). All this will take some time plus we dont know exactly how much information they keep track off but im sure there will be some people that fall through the cracks and dont get caught.

[sees_all1]

When will these idiots learn?

I think Jagex needs to make the bug abuse rules more clear to people, feature it more prominently in the log in screen.

 

I hope Jagex drops the banhammer on these cheaters.

[JoeDaStudd]

Hm, I do expect mass bannings to eb effective, but, what im worried about is about the smart ones.

 

The ones who duped 200K+ dragon/onyx bolts and didnt brag to anyone. God help us all, if Jagex has no way of tracking who did it, if such people remain patient and only start using them in over half of a year, they shant be tracked.

The game logs a lot of data. Everything from movement to chat, I'm pretty sure anyone with over 1m's worth of duped bolts will be noted.

Even if they don't tell anyone its still going to show on there logs.

 

Question: Did they get massive amounts of fletching/magic exp to go along with all the bolts? They can surely look at the few people that had an insane xp rate and then go through those acounts one at a time. Some would have been training legitimantly, but it would be a smaller pool of players to look through.

 

But I really do think that they probably have some way to see the people that cast enchant bolt 10000 times in the last two days.

Search banks, ge and trade logs for over 10k of bolts then start working back.

They don't need to bother looking at exp at all as its not exp related more item related then anything.

[ArtemisCatal]

Well, I don't know how well that track changes in banks, but what if someone never put them in therbank, but highalched as they made them. I'm sure they log inventories between log outs, but I can see a senario where there is not much logging but of exp that would evidence the bolts exsistance (note I'm just trying to think like a bug abuser that didn't want to be caught). It just seems like way too much info to track every change one makes in ones inventory between logouts for every accont in game. If they do track this, I'm incredulous at how much data they must keep track of. And then to have to parse it to find this info out... the scripts would take forever...

[Emmentail]

I'm sure they can do quick searches for repetitive behaviour, similar to their old systems for detecting macros. Failing that i'm sure they can browse through anyone who's been creating lots of bolts in the past few days.

 

I wish Jagex would make a statement about this. They aren't going to be taking this lightly, but it would be nice to know for definite that they are going to ban people.

[ArtemisCatal]

I'm sure they can do quick searches for repetitive behaviour, similar to their old systems for detecting macros. Failing that i'm sure they can browse through anyone who's been creating lots of bolts in the past few days.

 

I wish Jagex would make a statement about this. They aren't going to be taking this lightly, but it would be nice to know for definite that they are going to ban people.

 

All I know is, the longer they wait, the more time there is for the bolts to get out into the economy at large, worsening the economic damage. If some of the people did do this just to mess with everything, knowing they would be banned, they are doing everything to get the bolts out into the economy. A bolt that is lost with a banned player is a bolt that doesn't mess with the economy.

 

And I too wish they would at least make a sticky saying "We will be commenting on this when everything here in Jagex Tower is settled. Watch this space" I can wait for a message as long as I know a message will actually be forthcomming.

[Mike_Ike111]

I'm actually quite happy there was a glitch that allowed massive amounts of bolts into the game. If you step back a bit, chances are Jagex could have added it intentionally.

 

 

Think about it. It balances the combat triangle a bit by making bolts cheaper, maybe even cheap enough to PvM with efficiently. It decreases the amount of money in the game with banned accounts dropping millions if not billions of gold. If you ask me, that sounds like the most positive thing to hit the economy since...well I don't think Jagex has done anything positive to the economy, so this has to be the first. I'm a little excited to see Jagex' next bugs and glitches to fix the economy :)