Item Duping

[toast647]

I hope everyone who abused it gets banned.

[sees_all1]

I am still disappointed with the amount of people here who say they would cheat if they got the chance. I think the comparison to real world games is the best I have seen here, I will remember that one.

 

Jagex need to re--enforce the reading of, and sticking to the rules with the players.

Lets just hope that they get meaningless jobs and never amount to anything important; where they could mess that up.

OR that they get caught, reprimanded, and learn from their mistake before it hurts them too much.

[Mike_Ike111]

These bolts will be alched for coins.

Why does everyone [bleep] about PvP inflation, but inflation from bug abuse is not a problem.

:wall:

EDIT: fixed my obscenity.

How much does a bolt alch for? I dont think they will drop this low that alching would become a viable option.

He's talking about onyx bolts I believe which alch for 9k each. If people were able to take 1 bolt and turn it into 12, that means they introduced 99k per dupe. People could do litterally thousands per hour. I think a good estimate is 10k/hour because at 7k ea people made 60M/hour profit (see the vid). So at 10k bolts per hour * 9k per bolt = 90M PURE GP introduced into the game PER HOUR. That is far more then the PVP tricking. Sure, not as many people could do onyx bolts as could trick, but the fact still remains that it introduced loads of GP into the game.

 

It's really no different then somebody alching something else. Rune Mediums bring more money in the game than onyx bolts. On my way to 99 magic, I alched thousands of items worth may more than 10k just because they broke out even or I gained. I even did rune battle axes.

 

The bug helped the economy more than anything. More bolts, equals cheaper ranged, equals better in PvM and more balanced to melee. The banned accounts will take away a good chunk of cash from the game, and perhaps even rares. Sounds like a positive thing to me.

[Assume Nothing]

I hope everyone who abused it gets banned.

Looking at ranks on the hiscores, definately noticing a change. I mean, look at RuneMonkey on ranks which you didn't even gain xp in. Hopefully we'll see a sticky showing figures on how many were banned, this is on par with the penguins bug. Literally billions of gp's created if a player botted it.

[Ronan]

I'd like to say I'm surprised by people abusing this bug, considering Jagex's well known stance with bug abuse. And yet, I can't really - people are always tempted by things like this, even more so in the online-gaming world, where so much is showing off wealth, largely based on time / luck.

 

Can only hope Jagex deals with the players in a proper manner and if not, that the players themselves get what's coming to them with that attitude! I did notice Mod Emilee referring some people to the Bug-Abuse topic in the Knowledge-Base when the threads were cropping up on the Official-Forums, at least that's something!

 

Looking at ranks on the hiscores, definately noticing a change. I mean, look at RuneMonkey on ranks which you didn't even gain xp in. Hopefully we'll see a sticky showing figures on how many were banned, this is on par with the penguins bug. Literally billions of gp's created if a player botted it.

Glad to see it! :)

[ilovecuttingyews]

I was scrolling through some of the comments on youtube and one guys said something on the lines of:

I hate all you ***** who made this bug public. **** you. If you wouldn't have made it public I would still being doing it. I already made 2B off it and now I'm gonna get that acc banned.

 

Lol, silly people thought they could keep something SO HUGE underwraps. There was no way that it would have gone on for any long period of time because even if the abusers each only told 2 of their good friends about it, that eventually spreads far enough until Jagex catches wind of it. Players managed to keep the blood rune glitch under wraps for quite a while before Jagex found out. By then the damage was already done. But Jagex caught this one within 2 days of it becoming 'public'. For all we know it could have been going on for months but no one really abused it to the extent it was this week. So the damage won't be as bad as blood runes crashing, but I would still say significant.

[Jabuli]

I am still disappointed with the amount of people here who say they would cheat if they got the chance. I think the comparison to real world games is the best I have seen here, I will remember that one.

 

Jagex need to re--enforce the reading of, and sticking to the rules with the players.

Lets just hope that they get meaningless jobs and never amount to anything important; where they could mess that up.

OR that they get caught, reprimanded, and learn from their mistake before it hurts them too much.

 

Most posters here are rather young. It's not really that surprising if they still think like that.

[Danqazmlp]

I am still disappointed with the amount of people here who say they would cheat if they got the chance. I think the comparison to real world games is the best I have seen here, I will remember that one.

 

Jagex need to re--enforce the reading of, and sticking to the rules with the players.

Lets just hope that they get meaningless jobs and never amount to anything important; where they could mess that up.

OR that they get caught, reprimanded, and learn from their mistake before it hurts them too much.

 

Most posters here are rather young. It's not really that surprising if they still think like that.

 

Which is why Jagex need to come down on them hard and publicly. If younger people get away with this here, which I hate to generalise but this will probably be true for many. This being one of, if not the first MMO they play, will take that thought of being able to cheat and get away with it into any other on-line games they play further down the lines. And who knows, the minority may even learn and take that trait into their real lives, which would be a horrible thing to happen.

[joker2022]

So if you buy any of these enchanted bolts, I would also assume thats being part of the bug.

 

I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole right now. Wait until things cool down, then buy bolts for training.

 

I would not want to have jagex look at my account.

[The_Fray]

So if you buy any of these enchanted bolts, I would also assume thats being part of the bug.

 

I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole right now. Wait until things cool down, then buy bolts for training.

 

I would not want to have jagex look at my account.

Nope if Jagex did not want them traded they would have blocked them from being traded. Since they haven't I would say its fairly safe to buy them.

[Danqazmlp]

So if you buy any of these enchanted bolts, I would also assume thats being part of the bug.

 

I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole right now. Wait until things cool down, then buy bolts for training.

 

I would not want to have jagex look at my account.

 

 

It depends. The bolts themselves, if brought from somebody who abused the bug would not get you banned. However, it is a case of ethics whether you want to buy them or not. Doing so brings bolts into the economy which should not be there. If they are not brought, they will go down with the accounts making minimal damage. So it is up to the buyer. If you see somebody selling 10k+ of a certain bolt, I would say don't give them the satisfaction of getting rid of them and doing damage before they go down.

[Bladewing]

It's really no different then somebody alching something else. Rune Mediums bring more money in the game than onyx bolts. On my way to 99 magic, I alched thousands of items worth may more than 10k just because they broke out even or I gained. I even did rune battle axes.

 

The bug helped the economy more than anything. More bolts, equals cheaper ranged, equals better in PvM and more balanced to melee. The banned accounts will take away a good chunk of cash from the game, and perhaps even rares. Sounds like a positive thing to me.

Yes. If any alchable item is duped it would have similar effects. The problem is that they were introduced in enormous quantities in a small time period.

 

You may say it's cheaper ranged, but no one is going to train with dragonstone bolts. Even if they fall to 2k each, that's still unfathomably expensive for training. Rune bolts were already like 900 each, and NO ONE used those for training.

[Amethyst_Gem]

It's really no different then somebody alching something else. Rune Mediums bring more money in the game than onyx bolts. On my way to 99 magic, I alched thousands of items worth may more than 10k just because they broke out even or I gained. I even did rune battle axes.

 

The bug helped the economy more than anything. More bolts, equals cheaper ranged, equals better in PvM and more balanced to melee. The banned accounts will take away a good chunk of cash from the game, and perhaps even rares. Sounds like a positive thing to me.

Yes. If any alchable item is duped it would have similar effects. The problem is that they were introduced in enormous quantities in a small time period.

 

You may say it's cheaper ranged, but no one is going to train with dragonstone bolts. Even if they fall to 2k each, that's still unfathomably expensive for training. Rune bolts were already like 900 each, and NO ONE used those for training.

 

I use rune bolts for slayer tasks =\

 

But no I wouldn't even dream of using dragonstone bolts - far too expensive. And that isn't going to change. Even if it does that would force the price of rune bolts down a lot (given that making dstone bolts is one of the uses for rune bolts + cross elasticity of demand etc), thus preserving their comparative attractivenss.

[PuppyKing]

I'm actually quite happy there was a glitch that allowed massive amounts of bolts into the game. If you step back a bit, chances are Jagex could have added it intentionally.

 

 

Think about it. It balances the combat triangle a bit by making bolts cheaper, maybe even cheap enough to PvM with efficiently. It decreases the amount of money in the game with banned accounts dropping millions if not billions of gold. If you ask me, that sounds like the most positive thing to hit the economy since...well I don't think Jagex has done anything positive to the economy, so this has to be the first. I'm a little excited to see Jagex' next bugs and glitches to fix the economy :)

I like the way you think. :ugeek:

[stonewall337]

"Its just a game" is no better excuse to harm others then "Its only words" is an excuse to mock someone for his race.

 

essentially, there is never an excuse to cause harm to others, whether its in a game, or in real life.

 

With your line of reasoning, there is nothing wrong with hacking someone's account.

It's a game. It's meant to be played for fun, not to be taken seriously. And as such, losing 50M or 500M should not cause any kind of emotional distress as being the target of discrimination would (or whatever other poor analogue you happen to come up with). You can't possibly compare this "harm" you cause others ingame to real life. Losing your bank in a game and that in real life is just not the same.

 

If you happen to lose your account or all your stuff, then that's your own fault. You shouldn't blame anyone for it, not even this so-called "hacker." You gain money, you lose money, it's all just a part of the game. Play along. You didn't see me cutting after I got scammed for a red phat and 3rd age ammy. I simply acknowledged it as my own stupidity and kept on playing.

 

Yes you can. Most emotional distress is illogical. Being mocked, for instance. One doesn't have to allow it to affect them. But some people do, so one should be considerate. And hurting someone, regardless if its in a game or real life is something that the normal person should avoid, wouldn't you think? Essentially, you say that because you didn't get mad about you being hacked, no one should. I would be seriously pissed if anything happened to my account. I had fun sure, but I still play to achieve goals. Harming others for your own game is reprehensible. What you do in a game really shows how you would act in real life. Sure, you steal virtual money, you might not rob a bank. But it shows how you are far less likely to be considerate of how others feel if *you*, as an arbitrary outsider, decide that whatever you do to hurt the other isn't really "that bad".

 

You disgust me.

[joke_slayer]

to people saying that the bolts should be removed from the economy to stop it being damage, won't it be better for a big pile of gp to disappear in stead, to slow down the inflation a bit, and the bolts will be used up in a bit anyway, and they are only a very small part of the market

 

but bug abuse is definatly bad and the abusers they should definatly be forcibly removed from the game

[sees_all1]

to people saying that the bolts should be removed from the economy to stop it being damage, won't it be better for a big pile of gp to disappear in stead, to slow down the inflation a bit, and the bolts will be used up in a bit anyway, and they are only a very small part of the market

 

but bug abuse is definatly bad and the abusers they should definatly be forcibly removed from the game

Where do you propose that this "big pile of gp" should disappear from? From people that earned it honestly?

 

Saying that all these bolts should be removed is logical and rational: they came into being from a bug, they should never have been, and those that abused the bug for gain should be banned.

Besides, contrary to some people's belief, inflation doesn't hurt the economy.

 

 

 

Here's a question for everyone though:

In this, what constitutes abuse?

For penguins, it was spotting them >250 times?

 

I submit that players who used it more than 10 times and didn't report it abused it, and that players who reported it, and used it afterward abused it.

I'm not sure the severity of abuse from most players, but say for every 50 times a player used it, they should earn a 1 day ban, with perm bans on accounts that used it more than 500 times.

[tortilliachp]

 

Where do you propose that this "big pile of gp" should disappear from? From people that earned it honestly?

 

Saying that all these bolts should be removed is logical and rational: they came into being from a bug, they should never have been, and those that abused the bug for gain should be banned.

Besides, contrary to some people's belief, inflation doesn't hurt the economy.

 

 

 

Here's a question for everyone though:

In this, what constitutes abuse?

For penguins, it was spotting them >250 times?

 

I submit that players who used it more than 10 times and didn't report it abused it, and that players who reported it, and used it afterward abused it.

I'm not sure the severity of abuse from most players, but say for every 50 times a player used it, they should earn a 1 day ban, with perm bans on accounts that used it more than 500 times.

 

perm ban them all. Everyone i've talked to that i know reasonably well have said that it couldn't hurt to do it a few times, "remember penguins". They all just want to be in on the money, and not get into trouble.

 

get rid of those people once and for all, or give them all 2 month ban at least.

[RU_Insane]

It's like there's always some massive glitch this time of year. Last year we had the µ glitch (February 25 2009), lol

[Assume Nothing]

Lol at this thread. Anyways, I'm just wondering about how the economy is taking it's toll. Hmm.

[Star_Fox]

It's like there's always some massive glitch this time of year. Last year we had the µ glitch (February 25 2009), lol

 

 

i noticed that too. :blink:

[TTanT]

It's like there's always some massive glitch this time of year. Last year we had the µ glitch (February 25 2009), lol

 

 

i noticed that too. :blink:

 

 

Wasn't Durial's killing spree around this time of year, too?

[stonewall337]

That was 6-06-06 I believe.

 

Conspiracy theorists unite!

[sees_all1]

perm ban them all. Everyone i've talked to that i know reasonably well have said that it couldn't hurt to do it a few times, "remember penguins". They all just want to be in on the money, and not get into trouble.

 

get rid of those people once and for all, or give them all 2 month ban at least.

 

I like your style. However, "trying" a glitch out, imho isn't the same as abusing it.

For instance, with the µ gltich, going off to a secluded part of the map, typing in µ, and watching yourself crash out is different than turning public off, going to a bounty hunter world, and crashing other people.

 

Especially the first person that did it... see there's a bug, confirm there's a bug, try it under a few different circumstances, report the bug. Even though they may have used the bug 20 times, the key is that they reported it, and afterward stopped using it.

But that's my own opinion. Either way, I know there are people that deserve permabans.

[w0odspriteV2]

I bought a k of them for some reason

 

Hoping they'll rise?