I've been solo'ing the mole a lot this past week. Having owned a pair of claws and having gotten two 24 hour SGS lends during that time, and trying them both, I can say definitively that claws are better than SGS at mole.

I tested both as well. The goal here is to get big hits, but I observed that each of the hits made by the claws has the potential to make the mole dig (which is what you want to avoid). This also seemed to waste the additional damage done by the claw spec.

 

You seem to be suggesting that even if the mole digs after the first of the four splats, it takes all of the damage. If that's the case, then claws could very well be useful there. This should be testable.

Sgs useful? Sure. Worth buying it for more than 20m? Definately not.

 

And tbh, bones to peaches was pretty much already outdated when it was released; i have unlocked it but never actually used it.

 

This entire thing sounds like the old Turtle vs Aggression debate.

 

Sounds like Apple vs Windows to me

I've been solo'ing the mole a lot this past week. Having owned a pair of claws and having gotten two 24 hour SGS lends during that time, and trying them both, I can say definitively that claws are better than SGS at mole.

I tested both as well. The goal here is to get big hits, but I observed that each of the hits made by the claws has the potential to make the mole dig (which is what you want to avoid). This also seemed to waste the additional damage done by the claw spec.

 

You seem to be suggesting that even if the mole digs after the first of the four splats, it takes all of the damage. If that's the case, then claws could very well be useful there. This should be testable.

 

It takes the full bunt of the hit, undoubtedly.

You think that D claws speed up your task in comparison to SGS, yet you seem to neglect all the time you spend picking up bones and turning them into peaches and eating them.

I haven't cast that spell in years.

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

Which is basically merching. You dont think you could have used that 60/80m to merch more than 20m?

 

I don't think spec bars matter much anyway unless you bring spec restore pots, if you do that claws become pretty good.

 

You don't need sgs anywhere if you have soul split, if you don't have that it might be useful.

I could have, but the opportunity cost of not having the sgs on my slayer tasks if I did...

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

Which is basically merching. You dont think you could have used that 60/80m to merch more than 20m?

 

I don't think spec bars matter much anyway unless you bring spec restore pots, if you do that claws become pretty good.

 

You don't need sgs anywhere if you have soul split, if you don't have that it might be useful.

 

 

you could have used the money needed for soul split also for merching.

Soul split didn't exist when I bought my sgs.

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

Which is basically merching. You dont think you could have used that 60/80m to merch more than 20m?

 

I don't think spec bars matter much anyway unless you bring spec restore pots, if you do that claws become pretty good.

 

You don't need sgs anywhere if you have soul split, if you don't have that it might be useful.

I could really use a sgs for tormented demons even though I have soul split because I can't use soul split on them. And buying something without the intention of buying it for profit but it going up anyway isn't really merching. Not to mention soul split, from 70 prayer, costs about 50m more then a sgs anyway.

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

SGS costs about 35m more than Dclaws. That's 35m more capital you forgo interest on.

Usefulness of SGS = f(# of hours you spend slaying, # of hours you spend boss hunting)

That's how I think about it.

 

How many hours a week do you guys think a person needs to slay/boss hunt to justify an SGS?

because with falling prices, you clearly don't want one if you're not gonna use it.

For its price it is really cheap. You buy it, and you sell it, either for a small loss or a small profit. And in the meanwhile you can use it and lend it out.

 

This is the reason why the whole d claws is cheaper argument is invalid.

 

You spent so much money to get that sword and you only save like 50k gp a day!

 

Well, yes, but if I go and sell my sgs right now, I still made a 20m+ profit off the sword alone.

Which is basically merching. You dont think you could have used that 60/80m to merch more than 20m?

 

I don't think spec bars matter much anyway unless you bring spec restore pots, if you do that claws become pretty good.

 

You don't need sgs anywhere if you have soul split, if you don't have that it might be useful.

 

 

you could have used the money needed for soul split also for merching.

Well, I guess. That's a skill though, not an item. Extrapolating that way of thinking, it would be best to keep all buyable stats at 1 since they only cost money anyway!

 

But you're right, in a way. The point is though that anyone who can afford a sgs can also afford d claws, which are probably better to use as a spec weapon. And have money leftover that can be used to make more money with than you would have saved with sgs.

Well, I'm a skiller, so my train of thought is that if you can buy SGS with your extra cash, then you have a decent enough prayer level, in which case you can sell said SGS and get 92 prayer for soul split, thus making SGS nearly worthless.

The SGS may not be quite as useful for slayer as it once was, but remember people are lazy.

 

1) Enchanted excalibur: This doesn't restore prayer, and usually on slayer tasks, prayers is more of a drain than HP is. EE is still an excellent substitute for slayer though as most tasks don't *require* prayer.

 

2) Summoning: Again HP isn't usually an issue for most slayer tasks. Bunyip is usually overkill in HP restoration.

 

3) Food: Some tasks are really far out of the way and lots of people would rather camp their entire task instead of banking every 20 minutes or so. Banking every 20 minutes to go back to a nech task in the Chaos Tunnels would not be fun at all.

 

4) Soul split: This works ok, but can be tedious to keep flashing through an entire task. Also drains prayer over time. SGS compliments Soul Split flashing quite nicely due to the prayer restore. But you cant use Soul Split on tasks that require protection prayer.

 

5) Bones to peaches: Tedious method but works ok as long as the NPC you are killing drops bones. Not quite a replacement however if you have to eat peaches mid battle to restore health.

 

The real shining point of the SGS (And why its the price it is) is boss-hunting.

 

If you do DK's at all you will know an SGS is, without a doubt, the best use of a special attack there. Claws may steal you kills from crashers, but if your not getting crashed, killing in one attack cycle less does very little for your trip's longevity. SGS on the other hand will add many additional kills not just from the Hp restore but from the prayer restoration.

 

I do own a SGS and can honestly say I hardly use it on slayer tasks. But when I use it at DK's its worth every GP I spent on it.

Just to show how lazy rs people can be... ill use myself as an example

 

The EE is great, but I HATE switching to it lol.

 

I will use a bunyip only, I hate using scrolls to heal lol

 

Food, always bring lol

 

I can not use soul split, but I do not want to be paying that much attention.

 

Bones to peaches... whats worse getting it, or using it.

I love how people always exxagerate to bolster up proof to justify their opinion.

 

Quick note, I am pro sgs.

 

The money issue...if you can use all of your money to make more money at all times, congratulations I cannot. If you cannot, then the price difference is completely irrelevant.

 

Something that I never understood about damage boosting specials while slaying...what is the purpose of *possibly* increasing the kill speed of one monster per spec? If you would have killed that dust devil in 3 hits, now you have the potential to kill it in 2 hits! I personally don't see what you gain there when you will still have to stop attacking to switch weapons twice.

 

You *could* say that the same slowdown applies(to a greater extent) to the sgs, however improving speed is not the sole purpose of the sword as it is for the claws.

 

No matter what your opinions may be, no other item in the game provides an unlimited supply of prayer at this time barring that semi-useless armour effect that they just released, and for anyone who like to use small amounts of prayer points over an extended time without lugging around extra potions, that is perfect. if you do not mind taking a potion or two that is fine as well. I personally do not see the point for anyone to attempt to disprove someone's preferrence.

It takes 0 game ticks to switch a weapon. You can switch to claws and switch back to whip and shield without losing a single round of combat.

I love how people always exxagerate to bolster up proof to justify their opinion.

 

Quick note, I am pro sgs.

 

The money issue...if you can use all of your money to make more money at all times, congratulations I cannot. If you cannot, then the price difference is completely irrelevant.

 

Something that I never understood about damage boosting specials while slaying...what is the purpose of *possibly* increasing the kill speed of one monster per spec? If you would have killed that dust devil in 3 hits, now you have the potential to kill it in 2 hits! I personally don't see what you gain there when you will still have to stop attacking to switch weapons twice.

 

You *could* say that the same slowdown applies(to a greater extent) to the sgs, however improving speed is not the sole purpose of the sword as it is for the claws.

 

No matter what your opinions may be, no other item in the game provides an unlimited supply of prayer at this time barring that semi-useless armour effect that they just released, and for anyone who like to use small amounts of prayer points over an extended time without lugging around extra potions, that is perfect. if you do not mind taking a potion or two that is fine as well. I personally do not see the point for anyone to attempt to disprove someone's preferrence.

 

Couldn't agree more. Most the posts here have focused on the Hp restoring aspect and disregarded the prayer restore aspect. I agree most, however, with the last sentence of his post.

 

It takes 0 game ticks to switch a weapon. You can switch to claws and switch back to whip and shield without losing a single round of combat.

 

I'm sure that he meant that you had to stop combat, switch, spec, and switch back to continue combat, stopping continuous combat to get the spec out.

I was doing TDs yesterday (and to my embarrassment i only just finally mastered doing to the luring and prayer switching). I recently read on this forum a comment that he used his recover special pots in combination with the SGS.

 

I took four recovery specials with me to the tormented demons and to my surprise they worked quite well as a substitute prayer pot and healing.

 

But of course this has nothing to do with slayer. But it illustrates the versatility of the tool. It allows for lateral thinking and new methods. Which is fun.

 

I'm sure soul split is fine. But I don't have it. And I can't buy it on the GE.

 

It takes 0 game ticks to switch a weapon. You can switch to claws and switch back to whip and shield without losing a single round of combat.

 

I'm sure that he meant that you had to stop combat, switch, spec, and switch back to continue combat, stopping continuous combat to get the spec out.

 

And even if you dont have game tics to worry about, ping tics will get you. Say after the first switch while you miss restarting combat maybe til your auto retailiate kicks in... another couple seconds while you wait to see that spec go through, then... look, you made an attack with the crappy weapon before you could switch back.

 

Not everyone can manage a reliable switchout there.

im 99 slayer and i didn't find my sgs that useful to be honest... sure it was handy when i forgot a bunyip and it saved me maybe 300-800k in p pots on prayer tasks.... but i berly used it... was a pain to switch back to whip defender... and when i did forget it... it was easily replaced with a extra bunyip... i find it more usefull against bosses and what but i dont have overloads... and whip and ely/devine or just s defender can be way better than a godsword on overloads... i guess my point is, its an ok add on but you should not rely on it, it has a tenancy to fail when you need it most.

A mistake that people often make is that they asume you LOSE money when you buy a SGS. This isn't true, because you don't "consume" it or anything. Take food or healing with unicorn; those effectively cost money, money that can't be reclaimed. And ofcourse there's the point of the all-round-capacity of the SGS. GWD with my clan? SGS. Tormented Demons solo? SGS. Slayer? SGS. Dagannoth Kings? SGS. You get the point :wink:

This really has nothing to do with slayer but a lot of people are talking about it.

 

I've been using sgs at tormented demons instead of claws now and tbh I'm pretty sure the increased speed of kills with claws saved me more prayer then the sgs special that hit high sometimes. It's just so unreliable with big hits that I really don't like using it.

This really has nothing to do with slayer but a lot of people are talking about it.

 

I've been using sgs at tormented demons instead of claws now and tbh I'm pretty sure the increased speed of kills with claws saved me more prayer then the sgs special that hit high sometimes. It's just so unreliable with big hits that I really don't like using it.

 

But shouldn't you be using the abyssal whip then if you really into speed???? I'm sure they hit a lot higher than d claws.

This really has nothing to do with slayer but a lot of people are talking about it.

 

I've been using sgs at tormented demons instead of claws now and tbh I'm pretty sure the increased speed of kills with claws saved me more prayer then the sgs special that hit high sometimes. It's just so unreliable with big hits that I really don't like using it.

 

But shouldn't you be using the abyssal whip then if you really into speed???? I'm sure they hit a lot higher than d claws.

 

 

... Considering you just mastered TD luring... I doubt you know...

 

First of all, whip sucks there. Zammy spear on crush is like 4 times better, and that's when whip has rune defender with it. I can count on my hands how many times my D Claws have hit under 500, and that includes my "01s".

 

 

 

Also, SGS doesn't speed up kills at TDs, which is what everyone aims to do. Speed is what matters with fast banking.