Nomad is a good guy?

[roanlo]

*Quest Spoilers in this thread*

 

I've been thinking slightly about Nomad due to the high amount of Mahjarrot speak around Runescape comunities.

 

What first come to mind, is Nomad's final words, "You have doomed this world.". Stating that, due to stopping him, you the player have doomed the world to a greater evil.

 

The only unbelievably strong creatures (excluding gods) known in Runescape currently are the Dragonkin and Lucian.

 

 

My current theory is that Nomad, was going to use this power he has taken from the souls, in soul wars to help him stop Lucian and his ever rising amount of power, thanks to the staff of aramdyl and The stone of Jas.

 

What supports this, is the connection of Elite Black Guards to Nomad, who he calls(called) "Spies". Elite Black Guards are minions of Lucian, who in this going rate, is the modern day's Zamorak.

Nomad needs to exterminate these spies that enter his dungeon so that they cannot inform Lucian of his plans, who would stop him (as he is currently stronger then him). Which would explain his paranoia of you (he thinks you are a spy).

 

What makes Nomad good though? He is stealing souls to make him more powerful.

First, my opinion is that Mahjarrot don't have what we humans call "morality" (or sense of doing good and wrong). However, they do know what is good or bad to geilnor.

(my thought) Nomad was stealing these souls so that he could grow immensely in power, eventually being strong enough to kill Lucian during the ritual.

He may be wanting to do this, as Lucian may have plans to completely rule of geilnor once he gains his full power during the ritual.

 

Final Note: Before his graphical change, wasn't Nomad generally a nice guy? Well not cruel, or, well with the want to kill you.

So summary:

Nomad was collecting the souls from soul wars to gain immense power.

He had to keep this a secret from everyone, especially the Elite Black Guards (Lucian's minions-> because Lucian is really a modern day Zamorak). Which is why he killed them.

Because of this secret, he developed paranoia, thinking everyone is a spy and out to destroy him. This is why he thinks your a spy, therefore wanting to kill you.

 

He wanted to use this huge amount of power to stop/kill Lucian (most likely during the ritual), who is gaining large amounts of power from the staff of Aramdyl and the Stone of Jas.

When we stopped Nomad (not killing him), the soul machines that were powering him, where stopped. This means that Nomad is no longer able to stop Lucian.

Nomad says "You have doomed this world." to you after you stop him because, now he cannot stop Lucian.

Nomad beleives Lucian will Control/Destroy the entierty of Geilnor once the Mahjarrot Ritual has occurred.

 

 

I don't think this has been disscussed, but i was thinking about it yesterday, and all the imformation i know fitted together.

Tell me if there is something wrong with the theory. :smile:

[Crzyfatkid]

Based on the dialogue it seemed relatively obvious to me that he was a good guy or at least a not so bad guy who has intentions of stopping Lucien. Either way he teleports out at the end showing he isn't dead so It's not the last we're gonna see of him, I suspect they tie in his plot in the next installment of the Lucien quests.

[Jehosaphat]

First of all, we don't know how strong Nomad is/was relevant to the Dragonkin or the Mahjarrat. For all we know, he may have been nowhere close to challenging them.

 

Second, the "You have doomed this world" line may be for various reasons - perhaps he programmed the Soul Altar to implode upon his death or something....?

 

Or, we could go with the typical reasoning and say.......

Nomad is powerful. Power is used to move stuff. Boats are stuff that can be moved. Thus..... AMG SAILING@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

[Da_Latios]

He's a good guy who lacks the social skills to explain his actions or evaluate a situation, quickly rising to a steaming temper when someone wants to talk to him.

It's like a company secretly handling nuclear material; their intention may be to utilise the materials in creating energy, but if they don't explain it the company will be suspected of illegal munitions trade and may be terminated.

[roanlo]

Based on the dialogue it seemed relatively obvious to me that he was a good guy or at least a not so bad guy who has intentions of stopping Lucien. Either way he teleports out at the end showing he isn't dead so It's not the last we're gonna see of him, I suspect they tie in his plot in the next installment of the Lucien quests.

Ah, you see exactly what i was trying to point out.

I have a feeling that a sequel to WGS+Nomad would be yet another GM Quest, but after they have finished the rest of the mahjarrot storyline and/or are at the point of the ritual (As isn't Lucian already pretty much done and ready for the ritual?)

 

First of all, we don't know how strong Nomad is/was relevant to the Dragonkin or the Mahjarrat. For all we know, he may have been nowhere close to challenging them.

 

Nomad, IS a mahjarrat

Second, the "You have doomed this world" line may be for various reasons - perhaps he programmed the Soul Altar to implode upon his death or something....?

If it were to 'implode on death' he would not say you have doomed the world as you have not killed him. On the other hand however, if it were to implode on death (somehow connected to him), he would more or less say this to his downfall.

Which can also related back to my theory, that he wants to kill Lucian. If Lucian kills him, the soul alter would "implode".

 

 

He's a good guy who lacks the social skills to explain his actions or evaluate a situation, quickly rising to a steaming temper when someone wants to talk to him.

It's like a company secretly handling nuclear material; their intention may be to utilise the materials in creating energy, but if they don't explain it the company will be suspected of illegal munitions trade and may be terminated.

As far as i know, people get paranoid with secrets. Some people get defensive (in Nomad's case, having a "Steaming temper").

With your statement though, if what Lucian was doing was illegal, was does he say "you have doomed this world" after you have stopped him, and what do Zamorak/Lucian's minions have to do with that?

[J35u5_M4]

In my own opinion, Nomad was indeed a good guy, good intentions, not so good way to accomplish them, but although I hate him (Stupid boss battle) I'm kind of happy to know that in the end he survived, I won't be so happy if we have to fight him again though...

[Toad]

I also think he was a good guy.

[Dax]

I always thought of him being somewhat of an anti-hero. You know, doing bad stuff for a good cause. All I know is that I want him on my side when Lucien takes his step forward.

[Barf_Ii]

I can't really remember most of the story off the top of my head, although he may be a good guy as you say he could just be a crazy old guy that thinks everyone's out to get him and is trying to become the most powerful being so he will always be able to defend himself. Possibly he was just going to use his powers gained from the souls to keep himself safe but now having us defeat him he's turned bitter and is going to work on dooming the world.

 

If he know's he's not going to die why would you fighting him mean the world's doomed? As far as I remember the soul collector is still working?

[Howlin1]

(Haven't done the quest but my thoughts are)

 

Maybe he was evil and said you have doomed the world because in his strange warped view of the world that there was something wrong with the world (more than normal) and if he became powerful enough he could rule the world and whatever he saw was evil wouldn't be there any more, but in fact he would be making the world worse.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Nomad, IS a mahjarrat

lol wut?

we have no indication of this.

 

 

anywhoo Nomad is most definitely a good guy

our character does a good job of unwittingly killing off good guys

remember king tyras?

 

it's a theme jagex seems to enjoy. Our character seems to cause just as many problems as he solves in these quests.

[Piu]

Second, the "You have doomed this world" line may be for various reasons - perhaps he programmed the Soul Altar to implode upon his death or something....?

 

I lol'd hard.

 

OT: I'm sure Nomad is a good guy, and the next sequel would show what we had done wrong, and how we're going to fix it. *hypes*

[PereGrin]

I agree, I think that nomad was a good guy. Maybe we get to learn nomads fighting technique and use that to kill Lucien! Maybe its just me, but I wouldn't mind being able to freeze someone and then slap down a 900+ hit. It would be fun.

[Roz]

I too, believe he is a good guy, and will help us fight Lucien in an upcoming quest battle, perhaps giving us some souls to boost our powers to that of Lucien?

[aspeeder]

*Good* is relative, and while Nomad was for certain gaining power in order to overcome Lucian doesn't mean that he's good; he may just want Lucian out of the way so he can be the ultimate ruler. While the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the second Lucian's out of the way I doubt that Nomad will just abandon all the power he's gained and let us rule ourselves.

[Assume Nothing]

*Good* is relative, and while Nomad was for certain gaining power in order to overcome Lucian doesn't mean that he's good; he may just want Lucian out of the way so he can be the ultimate ruler. While the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the second Lucian's out of the way I doubt that Nomad will just abandon all the power he's gained and let us rule ourselves.

 

I second this. And Nomad didn't even die, so we have more quests to come.

[roanlo]

Nomad, IS a mahjarrat

lol wut?

we have no indication of this.

 

I guess so, yet I can't see any reason why he is not. I can't see a human being as powerful as he is (i.e. not having 36 saradomin brews to chug).

And as far as other races go, something from somewhere we haven't seen is the only possible place. The mahjarrot are from another place, aint he as well.

They can take any shape, have a liking to violence.

Any my last thing is, how can someone that isn't a mahjarrot have such a bad reputation with a mahjarrot (We aren't a problem to Lucian, and we're still strong (ish) )

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Nomad, IS a mahjarrat

lol wut?

we have no indication of this.

 

I guess so, yet I can't see any reason why he is not. I can't see a human being as powerful as he is (i.e. not having 36 saradomin brews to chug).

And as far as other races go, something from somewhere we haven't seen is the only possible place. The mahjarrot are from another place, aint he as well.

They can take any shape, have a liking to violence.

Any my last thing is, how can someone that isn't a mahjarrot have such a bad reputation with a mahjarrot (We aren't a problem to Lucian, and we're still strong (ish) )

we have a list of surviving mahjarrat, and nomad does not really fit the description of any of the ones in the list who are "missing in action"

Nomad is strong because of the soul altar, his strength doesn't automatically make him a mahjarrat.

I could use the argument that mahjarrat can shapeshift to say that anybody is a mahjarrat

 

tztok jad is a mahjarrat because he's so powerful

corporeal beast is a mahjarrat because he's so powerful

z0mg general graardor must be a mahjarrat too.

 

We have strong evidence that nomad followed under lucien. And if there were a mahjarrat following under lucien, I'm pretty sure other mahjarrat such as zemouregal would know about it.

[Slayer_Jesse]

Ill tell you what i think. not enough information. all we got is baseless speculation =\

[blakdragon39]

Oo this sounds very exciting. I totally missed the part where Nomad teleported away.. I thought I killed him. :( I really like the Mahjarrot storyline though, I hope we get to see more of it soon!

[Returned3]

I'm pretty certain now that we (the character) merely knocked him out after defeating him. I think the teleport at the end is due to a ring-of-life like effect considering how Nomad never died.

 

But I'm not really buying the whole "You have doomed this world" speech as a sign of him being the good guy all along. Bad guys usually say stuff like that after they have been defeated due to them still holding on to their beliefs and this might be a similar case.

[I_am_Geed]

Not going to lie, I forsee in the next quest you and Nomad are going to duo an awfull nasty. Its going to be one helluva bossfight.

 

 

Im just really upset that Jagex has stated that the 2 GM storylines wont be connected. I would think player + Nomad vs Lucien would be a spectacular fight.

 

 

Ready the last page, I dont believe Nomad was a Mahjarrat, He WAS fuled by the spirit shards, which means his power could be enough to go toe to toe with some of the real Mahjarrats.

[la la la]

Sauron is a good guy also. He just got caught up in the wrong crowd. Oh, and that whole lust for power thing didn't go over too well.

[mister_moocky]

We broke into his basement, he said leave, we didn't, we broke all his [cabbage], he got angry for obvious reasons and tried to kill us so we killed and beheaded him for defending his property. I duno about nomad but we're the bad guy.

[Returned3]

We broke into his basement, he said leave, we didn't, we broke all his [cabbage], he got angry for obvious reasons and tried to kill us so we killed and beheaded him for defending his property. I duno about nomad but we're the bad guy.

 

We didn't behead him, we simply kicked him while he was knocked out.