A thought.

[The_Gabe]

I thought of a way to strongly reduce manipulation clans buying out items. What about updating ge every 4 hours? Update at the limits of item buying.

 

Scenario: A clan is buying out an item, lets say zamorak wines before it was recently bought out and dumped. Every 2-5 hours, the wine goes up 5%, soon reaching the dumping point. Of course, the top ranks usually dump their load before the agreed price, so the clan is left with junk. The wine will fall 5% of their price, and most of the clan will be stuck with it because they will have little time to sell off the junk because of the new limits. Thus, people will be less motivated than before to join these clans, and clans will start to dissapear.

 

Of course there is also the possibility that because higher ranks dump early, they will make more money. So to cancel that, make like a 10k limit of selling materials so they can't dump it at once, and other members will figure out what is happening.

 

This will not effect discontinued items or items over 200m ge price.

 

Any thought? Do you think this would work?

[The_Gabe]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

[Evil_Sabre]

I think it's a good idea, but I don't think it will help get rid of the clans. No matter how risky merch clans get there will still be desperate people who think they can out smart the clan and make a profit, only to fail and be stuck with crashing junk. But I like the 4-hour idea just because it makes market prices more accurate and may help with inflation and street prices.

[Gradeskip]

Manipulation would become way too easy then.

[Cassynder]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

[The_Gabe]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

Sigh... I wasn't dissagreeing with him, but from what he was posting, he completely missed the point of the topic.

[SixFootOne]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

 

Obviously neither Mr or Ring even read any posts...

 

King's post was about making the ge update faster. Ring's post (The guy who replied) was talking about making the ge stricter... which wasn't mentioned at all. Also if you read ring's post "And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no." Funny how he says if you are suggesting... as in he didn't know what king was talking about.

[holiday]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

 

Obviously neither Mr or Ring even read any posts...

 

King's post was about making the ge update faster. Ring's post (The guy who replied) was talking about making the ge stricter... which wasn't mentioned at all. Also if you read ring's post "And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no." Funny how he says if you are suggesting... as in he didn't know what king was talking about.

 

Please don't spam eleven, stick to the topic!

Just a thought, remove the GE

[Ts_Stormrage]

Here's how you fight manipulation:

 

1. A stable economy is needed

This means that prices remain pretty steady, and obvious whims of merchant clans can easily be picked out as spikes and slumps are far more obvious... This means that there should not be any maximum or minimum prices (alch prices will therefor create the lowest price au naturel), and also means that Jagex has to return to the BTS in order to prevent sudden market shifts when updates happen...

 

2. Faster GE updating

Real life stock exchanges update every single transaction... Translate this to the GE and you'll see smoother lines instead of sudden 5% jumps... This doesn't make manipulating prices any harder, but it does show clear lines that respond to certain movements in the market... Again, any unexplained movement can easily be filtered out (especially if the GE has a link to off-site GE graphs), and classified as manipulation...

 

3. Multiple GE's designed for different currencies...

Imagine another GE in Ardougne that trades in silver pieces (SP)... Your coinshare can anywhere be set to which of the two currences you want as a drop, and anythign you thieve or alch or get as a drop, and any normal coin drops west of White Wolf mountain would from now on be in SP... Trade limits would remain the same for both GP and SP, and the limit would count in whatever currency the item is worth the least (1m GP vs 1.5m SP would count to 1m)... This creates a mechanism for people to "flee" into, whenever the other currency takes a hit while still having full access to the GE and its facilities...

 

End transmission

[Yosonic]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

 

Obviously neither Mr or Ring even read any posts...

 

King's post was about making the ge update faster. Ring's post (The guy who replied) was talking about making the ge stricter... which wasn't mentioned at all. Also if you read ring's post "And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no." Funny how he says if you are suggesting... as in he didn't know what king was talking about.

 

Please don't spam eleven, stick to the topic!

Just a thought, remove the GE

Removing the G.E. would start riots :/

[Aiel]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

 

Obviously neither Mr or Ring even read any posts...

 

King's post was about making the ge update faster. Ring's post (The guy who replied) was talking about making the ge stricter... which wasn't mentioned at all. Also if you read ring's post "And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no." Funny how he says if you are suggesting... as in he didn't know what king was talking about.

 

Please don't spam eleven, stick to the topic!

Just a thought, remove the GE

Removing the G.E. would start riots :/

bring back communist rs we pay we say we pay we say we pay we say we pay we say.

 

lol people rioted when they added the GE and they'll riot if they remove it :thumbup:

[Misterknowitall]

Or we can all be less greedy :thumbup:

[Den]

Wouldnt this just speed up the process of them gaining money?

 

Edit: Went over it again and it might possibly work actually. :P

[bedman]

I've said this before: If we would have a GE that updates every few minutes, manipulation wouldn't be a problem at all. Things would get dumped within hours.

[mujammil]

NO, because this ruins it for normal merchants and flippers which are in no way related to manipulation clans. Baasically it would mean no one could properly merchant even if they are people, such as myself, who make a nice profit daily without harming the RS economy.

[bedman]

NO, because this ruins it for normal merchants and flippers which are in no way related to manipulation clans. Baasically it would mean no one could properly merchant even if they are people, such as myself, who make a nice profit daily without harming the RS economy.

That's very selfish of you + you do harm people who have to pay max in stead of med. I'm also pretty flipping would still be possible.

[gremmy]

Yeah Muj, flipping would still be possible. Just needs a bit more attention :)

 

But Gabe I think that would work, I like the idea of thinking long terms instead of being stuck in the thought of the fact that it would make manipulating easier.

 

Might be a solution.. Of course, bedman's suggestion of very frequent updates would be even better. Hard to flip yeah, but that's just realistic, lol.

[3hitm4g3u]

Dont they already have limits? lol.

 

And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no.

 

If i have the money to buy a 99 why cant i go and buy all the materials i will need at once. The limits are more then strict enough already.

 

 

 

And anyone who joins a Merching clan knows if they dont sell early they will be stuck with it. Theres 100's of places telling people that will happen to them, if they choose to go along with it then their the fools who deserve to be stuck with junk.

 

After the Trade updates i would rather not see the game be ruined (again) because Jagex decided to do another crusade against scammers.

 

Did you even read the post?

 

Just because someone disagreed with you doesn't mean they didn't read your little post.

 

 

Obviously neither Mr or Ring even read any posts...

 

King's post was about making the ge update faster. Ring's post (The guy who replied) was talking about making the ge stricter... which wasn't mentioned at all. Also if you read ring's post "And if your suggesting stricter limits then no, just no." Funny how he says if you are suggesting... as in he didn't know what king was talking about.

 

Please don't spam eleven, stick to the topic!

Just a thought, remove the GE

Removing the G.E. would start riots :/

bring back communist rs we pay we say we pay we say we pay we say we pay we say.

 

lol people rioted when they added the GE and they'll riot if they remove it :thumbup:

 

People weren't rioting againt the GE though, they were rioting against trade limits/no more pking.

[schmuall]

I've said this before: If we would have a GE that updates every few minutes, manipulation wouldn't be a problem at all. Things would get dumped within hours.

 

NO NO NO!

 

If I put an offer in for max, I expect it to be bought some time within the next hour.

 

What I do not want is for me to put my offer in, have the GE update, my offer no longer be max and for me to never get my item.

 

I apreciate it happens now but to a much lesser extent

[Nifflin]

I've said this before: If we would have a GE that updates every few minutes, manipulation wouldn't be a problem at all. Things would get dumped within hours.

 

NO NO NO!

 

If I put an offer in for max, I expect it to be bought some time within the next hour.

 

What I do not want is for me to put my offer in, have the GE update, my offer no longer be max and for me to never get my item.

 

I apreciate it happens now but to a much lesser extent

 

There should be an option to have your offer at max update as the GE does and just to take the difference from your banks cash pile. Like max is 10k, you offer 15k, so that even though you can't pay more then 10k, the offer at max will continue updating until the item is over the limit specified, in this example, 15k.

[Mazhar]

This could also be problematic, lets say wine of zamorak is originally 2k, you buy 10k of them, 20m worth and are a higher rank. Dump price is 6k, ranks dump at 4k in like.. a day for 40m, thats 20m in a day easy. Sure people wouldn't conform to them as much but there will always be some people that would. I might be seeing it the wrong way though, but making money off manipulation seems much faster that way

[schmuall]

I've said this before: If we would have a GE that updates every few minutes, manipulation wouldn't be a problem at all. Things would get dumped within hours.

 

NO NO NO!

 

If I put an offer in for max, I expect it to be bought some time within the next hour.

 

What I do not want is for me to put my offer in, have the GE update, my offer no longer be max and for me to never get my item.

 

I apreciate it happens now but to a much lesser extent

 

There should be an option to have your offer at max update as the GE does and just to take the difference from your banks cash pile. Like max is 10k, you offer 15k, so that even though you can't pay more then 10k, the offer at max will continue updating until the item is over the limit specified, in this example, 15k.

 

In that case, why bother having a max in the first place?

[Nifflin]

I've said this before: If we would have a GE that updates every few minutes, manipulation wouldn't be a problem at all. Things would get dumped within hours.

 

NO NO NO!

 

If I put an offer in for max, I expect it to be bought some time within the next hour.

 

What I do not want is for me to put my offer in, have the GE update, my offer no longer be max and for me to never get my item.

 

I apreciate it happens now but to a much lesser extent

 

There should be an option to have your offer at max update as the GE does and just to take the difference from your banks cash pile. Like max is 10k, you offer 15k, so that even though you can't pay more then 10k, the offer at max will continue updating until the item is over the limit specified, in this example, 15k.

 

In that case, why bother having a max in the first place?

 

To limit the rate at which prices can increase.

[tortilliachp]

This could also be problematic, lets say wine of zamorak is originally 2k, you buy 10k of them, 20m worth and are a higher rank. Dump price is 6k, ranks dump at 4k in like.. a day for 40m, thats 20m in a day easy. Sure people wouldn't conform to them as much but there will always be some people that would. I might be seeing it the wrong way though, but making money off manipulation seems much faster that way

 

however, noone would participate in manipulation clans, as the chances of being online when the dump takes place is now about 1/6 of what it is now, as updates are 6 times more frequent. It would be just so obvious that only high ranks profit, that merching clans would inevitably die unless they were actually fair and everyone dumps as agreed.

 

a major factor in the whole 4h situation is that you can't be online for every update. that means setting offers right after an update is less important than currently, manipulating becomes a 24h activity.

 

When items are manipulated, graphs update quickly. you can therefore see a manipulation spike after a maximum of 12 hours, rather than 2-3 days with current 24-30h updates. Those of us who pay attention, can therefore safe-guard against buying manipulated items a lot easier.

 

 

How it atually functions, that's more guesswork. this is my guess.

[The_Gabe]

This could also be problematic, lets say wine of zamorak is originally 2k, you buy 10k of them, 20m worth and are a higher rank. Dump price is 6k, ranks dump at 4k in like.. a day for 40m, thats 20m in a day easy. Sure people wouldn't conform to them as much but there will always be some people that would. I might be seeing it the wrong way though, but making money off manipulation seems much faster that way

 

however, noone would participate in manipulation clans, as the chances of being online when the dump takes place is now about 1/6 of what it is now, as updates are 6 times more frequent. It would be just so obvious that only high ranks profit, that merching clans would inevitably die unless they were actually fair and everyone dumps as agreed.

 

a major factor in the whole 4h situation is that you can't be online for every update. that means setting offers right after an update is less important than currently, manipulating becomes a 24h activity.

 

When items are manipulated, graphs update quickly. you can therefore see a manipulation spike after a maximum of 12 hours, rather than 2-3 days with current 24-30h updates. Those of us who pay attention, can therefore safe-guard against buying manipulated items a lot easier.

 

How it atually functions, that's more guesswork. this is my guess.

 

That's basically suming it up.