Bots are making a come-back

[langer]

Yea, I'm definitely not a troll. Though I certainly do hate users like you, simply because.

 

 

 

Lesson of the day: Sarcasm =/= trolling.

 

Sorry I forgot how you used that lame excuse to boost your post count. Whatever mate, I know a troll when I see one, wether he's spamming childish posts or whinning about lame teamates that have to log out, when you have done all your mommy's chores for the day so you can spend the next 10 hours MHing or whatever stuff turns you on.

 

And to think I didn't believe the people that said this community was deteriorating... oh boy was I blind!

[Pepsiguy]

For the sake of arguying, tell me what motivates someone to seek information on how bots run?

The same reason as to why someone would want to know how a car or a computer works: knowledge.

 

you seem so bent on try to defend the bots that make everything cheaper. im not saying your a botter, but with all the botters cant make [bleep] skilling now, all it is now is mhing or a collecting skill thats 99. i have 4mil, i could of have alot more money if there where no bots

I've never enjoyed skilling, so he fact that it's not all that profitable (not that it ever was in the past) doesn't bother me.

pretty much its now

 

[bleep] skilling cept for herblore and summoning and slayer everything but that should just go go down the crappy lane and make it not worthwhile to even train

[Saru Inc]

Yea, I'm definitely not a troll. Though I certainly do hate users like you, simply because.

 

 

 

Lesson of the day: Sarcasm =/= trolling.

 

Sorry I forgot how you used that lame excuse to boost your post count. Whatever mate, I know a troll when I see one, wether he's spamming childish posts or whinning about lame teamates that have to log out, when you have done all your mommy's chores for the day so you can spend the next 10 hours MHing or whatever stuff turns you on.

 

And to think I didn't believe the people that said this community was deteriorating... oh boy was I blind!

 

Who gives a [cabbage] about post counts? I have 4,300+, one post is nothing. So everyone who says "nice post count boost" are ummm... Yea I can't even think of a term for you. And by the way, "200m skills man," I was posting that rant for my friend Lowc15, I mh maybe once or twice a month. [developmentally delayed]. And yea, while I'm getting a degree in cognitive psychology, and a cultural anthropology minor degree with 12 credit hours a week, as well as getting 50 hours a week at work at a job where I'm being constantly promoted, y'know, because I'm a kid; I'll be sure to mh and whine more. [developmentally delayed]. Now shoo, no one wants you here, go update more 200m skills. Since, y'know, everyone cares so damn much.

[langer]

Congrats on keeping up with school, I went the same way as you working my butt off and it paid off in the end. You'd be surprised at the amount of feedback I'm getting with my updates on the 200M thread, it's quite popular and appreciated even though it doesn't appeal to everyone.

 

One last thing, calm down mate, it's just an argument on the internet. If you can't take the same criticism you hand out, re-evaluate your career path. Anyway this was going way off topic.

[Saru Inc]

Ummm. Calm down? Eh. I guess my literary tone might have alluded to that. And don't try to be all smarmy. Here's the issues I am faced with:

 

 

 

- I like cheap materials, I don't care if it was a bot that gathered them.

 

- I like sarcasm, a lot

 

- I like to have a good time, and to make people laugh. (Though, not everyone's humor is the same, that's fine, I can't stand Adam Sandler and George Carlin)

 

- While I'm definitely not a stickler for rules, I do follow them sometimes.

 

- I like debating on the internet

 

- I like to use the word [developmentally delayed] as an insult, because my best friends younger brother is mentally challenged, my point being is he is still smarter than you (you being whoever the insult is directed to)

 

And all this ='s

 

A hypocritical, botting, trolling, insecure, attention grabbing kid. While I can see the correlation, I can also see the truth in the fact that Anna Nicole Smith has psychic abilities. Somethings aren't as they seem. Langer, the only reason I got "mad" is I REALLY dislike it when people assume I bot, because lets face it, I have several friends who do, and I love the cheap supplies. Also, I really really can't stand it when simply for being non sensical and or sarcastic warrants the branding of troll. I wouldn't mind it, except this administration apparently takes the word of the community over mind. Which po's me. And I can take criticism just fine, I just chose not too.

[All_Is_Great]

Hes just mad that you figured out he uses bots.

 

That or I would be pretty mad at bots too if I was in the top 6000 of players in a game millions of people play.

 

I cant think of any reason other then that as to why he would take it so personally

 

 

I mean I would be mad at spending 100's if not 100's of thousands of hours playing a game to get a massive e-peen, and having someone come along and putting a bot up and spending the rest of their time going out and probably using their real peen and STILL ending up with an e-peen as big as mine. Id say its just unfair!

 

I don't think that's whats going on here.

 

Botting is against the rules, therefore some people (like Langer, myself, etc) don't like them and think it's wrong. While other people (you, Saru, evil eye, etc) like bots because they lower the prices of raw materials. I don't know about you, but I'd like a game to be played fair, and by the rules (that's why we have them in the first place).

 

Also, regarding raw materials, I'm sure if there were no bots, then more players would go collect these materials, because the profit would be better. So eventually, it'd all even out, like supply and demand. Right now, low prices on raw materials are what's putting me off from training hunter on red chins, or fishing lobsters, or runecrafting, etc. I think alot of others are the same, if the price of raw fish went up because less supply was coming in, then they'd go and do some casual fishing in the fishing guild.

 

And lastly, Saru, don't call yourself "being sarcastic", because your not, you were trolling and you know it. When you're sarcastic ALL THE TIME, it gets old. I mean, it was funny the first few times you made fun of Sw0rd95 and his bot hunting stories, but you're still doing it? Still posting "sarcastic" remarks on his blog, just give it a rest already. I'm sure he's tired of you too. If you don't like him, then just ignore him :rolleyes:

 

is I REALLY dislike it when people assume I bot, because lets face it, I have several friends who do,

 

Let's face it, you were asking for it with your posts. And when langer said "botter-loving (I usually spell that without the loving), you got really defensive, and according to your quote, Langer is probably right.

[Sir_Kurity]

Yes its against the rules, but in the sad irony we ARE better off with them.

 

And by we, you mean you.

 

If skiling just happens to be one of your best money makers (I know GOP and Yews are mine, and they are most definately effected by bots), then it sure as hell harms you more than benifits.

 

The only people who are benifited by bots are people who like training secondary skills. People who hunt for money, people who cut wood for money, people who play GOP for money, people who theive, etc. They are all negatively effected by bots.

 

For every smither who yells "woot" at low ore prices. There is a miner who is wondering why its even worth it when there are 5 other bots in the mining guild. For every fletcher there is a woodcutter, etc.

 

Personally, ive pretty much given up on skilling for making money. Its not even worth my time, it would be great if it was. But bots have devalued skilling to the point where i could merchant for all my money and be almost as well off.

 

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This being said, there are combat bots as well. Even monster hunters get effected.

 

If lots of people bot to high combat and starts monsterhunting, then hes devaluing monster hunting, if someone bots green dragons, then people who hunt greens get there work devalued. Etc.

 

Its really not just the skillers who are effected by this.

[MstrMonopoly]

Gaise plx I only have 92m of my turm goal I want cheaper d bones now plx. If those bots werent thar d bones wud be liek 10000 each!!!1111 or something crazy liek that

 

also gaise its not liek skilling r dead @ money bc last i herd u cud still make liek 300k an hour doing something relaxing while u watch movie or do homework and if u do 3 hrs of homework a day and watch 2 hour movie that r 1.5m that u wud not have otherwise. so liek if u attempt to do tds while u do hw it wil result in massive ponage 2 ur faise ow ow ow that is the td pwning me now kthxbai

[MstrMonopoly]

Gaise plx I only have 92m of my turm goal I want cheaper d bones now plx. If those bots werent thar d bones wud be liek 10000 each!!!1111 or something crazy liek that

 

also gaise its not liek skilling r dead @ money bc last i herd u cud still make liek 300k an hour doing something relaxing while u watch movie or do homework and if u do 3 hrs of homework a day and watch 2 hour movie that r 1.5m that u wud not have otherwise. so liek if u attempt to do tds while u do hw it wil result in massive ponage 2 ur faise ow ow ow that is the td pwning me now kthxbai

 

Im sure this is sarcasm AGAINST monster hunters.

 

but this displays the powerful point of risk vs reward. Skillers have no risk they can watch a movie and do homework while MHers have to pay attention while there, could lag out and die anytime, could have a really bad dry streak to get their reward. Frankly they deserve the better reward for the 5+ 99's needed for efficiency and for the constant attention.

 

No such requirements for woodcutting. 75 for magics, should take you about 3 days on a new character, and the price reflects the effort put in.

 

 

 

And Est0rrath the day bots can autonomously solo merchant/monster hunt is the day I bot. :thumbup:

 

Till then order exists and skilled players reap the rewards and uneducated players continue bashing their head against the wall with terrible methods

 

Nah, I was actually killing a TD at the time and it combod me, lol. No sarcasm intended in that post.

[Sir_Kurity]

but this displays the powerful point of risk vs reward. Skillers have no risk they can watch a movie and do homework while MHers have to pay attention while there, could lag out and die anytime, could have a really bad dry streak to get their reward. Frankly they deserve the better reward for the 5+ 99's needed for efficiency and for the constant attention.

 

No contest, i fully agree monster hunters should get more money than skillers, they risk more, they took a longer time getting there.

 

That being said, bots shouldnt devalue skills to the point where its not even worth your time, afkable or not.

 

And Est0rrath the day bots can autonomously solo merchant/monster hunt is the day I bot. :thumbup:

 

Bots already can monster hunt, they can't BOSS hunt, but you can bet your ass they can train there way to high combat and compete with you for bosses.

 

As for merching, as if you need a bot for that. Its 5 minutes of work.

 

Till then order exists and skilled players

 

Self promotion ftw.

 

uneducated players continue bashing their head against the wall with terrible methods

 

The fact we are arging this point makes it kinda obvious that we are, as you would say, educated players... I'm fully aware skilling is crap money, which is why i rarely do it for money, thats not to say i don't actually want skilling to be useful...

 

Plus, it wouldnt be a terrible method if less bots were around :thumbup:

[noble_aloof]

Once in awhile i go on botting forums- and i found an interesting post that apparently in the "debug" mode of one of the botting clients that people use, there is a red dot that tracks others players in your playing area and gives their names. A guy posted that in this debug mode, he actually found invisible j mods going to popular botting places and immediately banning people (he got banned). jagex is doing more than meets the eye.

 

disclaimer: I haven't botted since my old main was banned in February '07

[Saru Inc]

I don't even know why I post on this topic. I guess I just like controversy. And Allisgreat, I don't really care if it gets old being sarcastic, (and when I say that, its nothing against you for suggesting it) I get sick and tired of ass kissery. Which, despites valiant attempts to deny, still goes on way too often.

 

 

 

*side note* heh, I was bored of making fun of his stories as well, and tbh was just waiting for someone to tell me to stfu. props.

 

And as I said before, as to the reason I got defensive, let me tell you a two sentence (or more, I've not written it yet, so I don't know how long it is) story.

 

ONce upon a time, about 3 or 4 years ago, I was browsing tif, I was in my prime back then. I was in the starlight (now I'm in the starlight + the black light) and I, thinking I twas invincible (and being 15), I made a joke about how I scammed a 300m bank. Why did I make that joke? I don't remember, it's not funny. It wasn't funny then, and I felt sorta stupid for thinking it was funny. Anyways, needless to say, the next day I'm muted on Runescape. I go to the offence box thing, it said I was muted for item scamming. (Tbh I always thought they banned people for that, idk.) I look at the report, and nothing even remotely revolving runescape was in there. Then on the forum someone who hated me said "I reported you in game, I hope you get banned for item scaming. I don't care if it was true or not" (I don't remember exactly waht he said but that was the gist.) And that was before I announced I got muted.

 

 

Now, could he have been [cabbage]ting? Of course he could have been. But, ever since then I've been paranoid of people doing that [cabbage] again. And that is why I get so defensive, I afk a [cabbage] load. Usually, I'm just standing ina spot, but with slayer/fishing/mining/wc I tend to run to the computer, click a spot (well, for lrc, or I run out of the area to re activate aggressiveness) then do what I am doing. I usually only do this for a short time, (4-5 minutes) then I start playing again. And yes, I'm aware "afk playing" is technically illegal. idc. (And what I mean by idc, is that everyone does that. Very very few people out there will logout to run to get a drink "or something". And so I'm paranoid if someone sees me afk, and either dislikes me, or remembers me defending botting, *which I'm not, btw* that they will report me. And just like the scamming offence, though they have no proof I did, I don't even want to risk a 14 day ban. It's not worth it. Idc how illogical it is.

 

 

And, that was more than 2 sentences.

[anonymouse_]

Once in awhile i go on botting forums- and i found an interesting post that apparently in the "debug" mode of one of the botting clients that people use, there is a red dot that tracks others players in your playing area and gives their names. A guy posted that in this debug mode, he actually found invisible j mods going to popular botting places and immediately banning people (he got banned). jagex is doing more than meets the eye.

 

disclaimer: I haven't botted since my old main was banned in February '07

You mean this?

 

Just found this on one of the forums; Jagex macro detection system (it's not fake)

 

They're watching us :ohnoes:

 

 

 

And just like the scamming offence, though they have no proof I did, I don't even want to risk a 14 day ban. It's not worth it.

They're only doing perms now

[noble_aloof]

dangit i thought i was the first one. sorry for not reading :unsure:

[anonymouse_]

dangit i thought i was the first one. sorry for not reading :unsure:

I posted it on another thread. We have a few dozen of those now

[Saru Inc]

Once in awhile i go on botting forums- and i found an interesting post that apparently in the "debug" mode of one of the botting clients that people use, there is a red dot that tracks others players in your playing area and gives their names. A guy posted that in this debug mode, he actually found invisible j mods going to popular botting places and immediately banning people (he got banned). jagex is doing more than meets the eye.

 

disclaimer: I haven't botted since my old main was banned in February '07

You mean this?

 

Just found this on one of the forums; Jagex macro detection system (it's not fake)

 

They're watching us :ohnoes:

 

 

 

And just like the scamming offence, though they have no proof I did, I don't even want to risk a 14 day ban. It's not worth it.

They're only doing perms now

 

 

Forever perm? o.O lol well good on them, then.

[Sir_Kurity]

Were not going to change each others minds and neither of us have any way to prove our claims, so lets agree to disagree

 

Agreed.

[anonymouse_]

Once in awhile i go on botting forums- and i found an interesting post that apparently in the "debug" mode of one of the botting clients that people use, there is a red dot that tracks others players in your playing area and gives their names. A guy posted that in this debug mode, he actually found invisible j mods going to popular botting places and immediately banning people (he got banned). jagex is doing more than meets the eye.

 

disclaimer: I haven't botted since my old main was banned in February '07

You mean this?

 

Just found this on one of the forums; Jagex macro detection system (it's not fake)

 

They're watching us :ohnoes:

 

 

 

And just like the scamming offence, though they have no proof I did, I don't even want to risk a 14 day ban. It's not worth it.

They're only doing perms now

 

 

Forever perm? o.O lol well good on them, then.

Well perm for now at least, they had temps for about 4 months. Since Aug 4th they've only been giving perms, but almost all of them were either for ess, graahk, red chins, or soul wars. Also they've gone back and turned a few of the temp bans given into perms, even when the person stopped botting :ohnoes:. Not like this will deter many from botting, so no worries :thumbup:

[Aiel]

Yes its against the rules, but in the sad irony we ARE better off with them.

 

And by we, you mean you.

no we mean anyone who is at all efficient

 

 

If skiling just happens to be one of your best money makers (I know GOP and Yews are mine, and they are most definately effected by bots), then it sure as hell harms you more than benifits.

l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

The only people who are benifited by bots are people who like training secondary skills. People who hunt for money, people who cut wood for money, people who play GOP for money, people who theive, etc. They are all negatively effected by bots.

hunting is very good money even with bots, nobody should wc for money, I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP, and theif is not a money maker in anyway. So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

For every smither who yells "woot" at low ore prices. There is a miner who is wondering why its even worth it when there are 5 other bots in the mining guild. For every fletcher there is a woodcutter, etc.

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Personally, ive pretty much given up on skilling for making money. Its not even worth my time, it would be great if it was. But bots have devalued skilling to the point where i could merchant for all my money and be almost as well off.

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

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This being said, there are combat bots as well. Even monster hunters get effected.

 

If lots of people bot to high combat and starts monsterhunting, then hes devaluing monster hunting, if someone bots green dragons, then people who hunt greens get there work devalued. Etc.

 

Its really not just the skillers who are effected by this.

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen. If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.

[Sir_Kurity]

l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

Oh yea, cause there are so many ways to make money in F2p.

 

In terms of consistent money makers, its either that, or break my arm getting 85 mining.

 

hunting is very good money even with bots

 

Still devalues it.

 

Some people consider yews good money, even with bots. Thats not to say it doesnt devalue the skill.

 

nobody should wc for money

 

And yet people do

 

I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP

 

Its called ess bots driving essence prices down (the main source of income from GOP).

 

Also, there are GOP bots, they click on an orb and hold it for a whole game...

 

and theif is not a money maker in anyway.

 

Master farmers

 

So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

Oh yea they are

 

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Inefficient or not, they still get there work devalued by bots o.O

 

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

Let me clarify.

 

Old method. Woodcut + Merch

 

Now i really just powertrain another skill + Merch because i make pretty much the same money just merching.

 

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen.

 

Did i say anything about E-peen?

 

If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.[/b]

 

Cause you totally have to grind to 99 attack/strength to have good hand eye coordination and knowledge of the game.

[Aiel]

l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

Oh yea, cause there are so many ways to make money in F2p.

 

In terms of consistent money makers, its either that, or break my arm getting 85 mining.

I was unaware you were f2p

 

hunting is very good money even with bots

 

Still devalues it.

bots can't effectively hunt imps

 

Some people consider yews good money, even with bots. Thats not to say it doesnt devalue the skill.

if you say yews are good money you're doing something terrible wrong

 

nobody should wc for money

 

And yet people do

....

 

I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP

 

Its called ess bots driving essence prices down (the main source of income from GOP).

I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Also, there are GOP bots, they click on an orb and hold it for a whole game...

I said effectively

 

and theif is not a money maker in anyway.

 

Master farmers

thats what 200k an hour?

 

So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

Oh yea they are

oh no they aren't (CWUTIDIDTHAR?)

 

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Inefficient or not, they still get there work devalued by bots o.O

they shouldn't care sense there already terribly inefficient

 

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

Let me clarify.

 

Old method. Woodcut + Merch

 

Now i really just powertrain another skill + Merch because i make pretty much the same money just merching.

woodcutting is not a money maker. As I already stated.

 

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen.

 

Did i say anything about E-peen?

 

you implied it when you talked about devaluing other peoples work.

If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.[/b]

 

Cause you totally have to grind to 99 attack/strength to have good hand eye coordination and knowledge of the game.

if you effectively train combat you develop hand-eye cordination, and you should be trying out different equipment and testing which is better, which improves your knowledge of the game

[Sir_Kurity]

bots can't effectively hunt imps

 

I'm pretty sure they can.

 

And even if they couldnt, they can easily bring up the hunter level so the botter can compete with you for imps.

 

if you say yews are good money you're doing something terrible wrong

 

As i said before, im f2p.

 

I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

I said effectively

 

They don't have to be effective, if your stuck on a team with them, well GG.

 

thats what 200k an hour?

 

A friend of mine makes around 500k+

 

oh no they aren't (CWUTIDIDTHAR?)

 

I did justify my point in previous quotes...

 

they shouldn't care sense there already terribly inefficient

 

It still harms them o.O

 

woodcutting is not a money maker. As I already stated.

 

Yea, it is.

 

Theres a reason yews are always crowded, its sure as hell not for the XP.

 

you implied it when you talked about devaluing other peoples work.

 

Devalue as in drive down the prices of raw materials so the skill, and doing the skill is barely worth it money-wise.

 

if you effectively train combat you develop hand-eye cordination, and you should be trying out different equipment and testing which is better, which improves your knowledge of the game

 

No matter how you spin it, afking bandits doesnt have you develop any more hand eye coordination..

 

As for knowledge of the game, its called a guide. Better yet, just ask someone...

[All_Is_Great]

There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.

[Pepsiguy]

There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.

that was the best worded paragraph that ive seen to calm an arguement

[Aiel]

There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.

the problem with attempting to justify woodcutting as a money maker is that you can make more money killing level 2 men. 100% proven fact. Woodcutting is not, and never has been an effective money maker for ANYONE. Monsterhunting is not the only effective money maker, many skilling methods make 1.5m+ per hour, and require little to no stats (cockatrice eggs, sinister keys, herb cleaning, making unf pots etc.) And yes I realize none of the options I listed are f2p. He's already stated that he merches, that should provide him with all the money he needs. Also, about GOP, as a f2per you receive rune ess, not pure ess. And in order to make more money from rune ess over water talismans, rune ess would need to be 160 each, which it never will be.