Bots are making a come-back

[Horusdragon2]

Bots are getting smarter and smarter, and that makes it a lot harder for Jagex to detect them. Bots movements are more human-like than ever. Eventually Jagex won't be able to do much about this. Face it, scripts and bots are getting far too advanced for Jagex's system to detect. Their best strategies for finding bots are tagging people with random events more frequently if the person is suspected of being a bot, looking at where the bot clicks, and seeing how long it is playing. Regardless of what many thing, Jagex does NOT look for how much a player talks to determine if they're botting.

 

I won't lie either, I bot on a pure account of mine. You say that I won't get a sense of accomplishment, but really I will. You'll also say what's the point of having an account if you don't play the game. For the first thing, I'll feel accomplished that I didn't waste hours getting the account to the levels I need it at, and that I spent time going outside, hanging out with friends, working out, or getting something done. The second thing, I want to PK, but I don't want to spend hours in front of a computer screen to be able to do that.

 

Why admit this? Regardless of what you guys will think of me, I have no worry. This is the internet, and RS is a game. If get banned? Oh well, nothing of value is lost.

[un4given]

Exactly, bots have little influence on the economy, fish are dropping because of LEGIT players not bots. And bots will always be here so complaining about them is just plain stupid.

Fish are dropping because of bots actually..

 

Fish are dropping because of legit players. See fishing is very closely linked market, if the price of one fish drops they all do. As you probably know there was an update to make fishing significantly easier f2p, which undoubtedly caused a drop in swordfish and lobster prices. Which heal about as much as monkfish bringing them down, which then brought down sharks and rocktails.

 

Bots may have hurt the situation, but the summerplayers themselves are what really caused the drop.

 

This happens every summer, as a result of more people gathering rather then training production skills

Ok lol you just keep believing that.

[Bows]

@Ring

 

Too bad hundreds of thousands more people play Runescape during the summer rather that 'gather.' I'm willing to bed more than half of them are training production skills. :rolleyes:

 

EDIT: Before I get flamed for saying hundreds of thousands more people - let me correct by substituting a more believable amount. So thousands more people play.

[All_Is_Great]

I'm surprised some people still don't believe botting is a serious problem in runescape...

 

On a site-that-shall-remain-nameless, a site where people are dedicated to cheating, you'd be surprised to see the attitude botters have nowadays. Mainly they say "I'll just bot soul wars for 95 pray, probably get a temp ban but I'll wait it out", or "I'll just bot 99 hunter, make some cash and sell the account".

 

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you are on this issue, and still use the whole "let them bot, doesn't affect me, w/e"...

 

RWT is starting all over again, account trading, macroing, etc. I wonder what kind of drastic change is going to happen this time, remember when the wilderness was removed?

[ghjkl]

They can't do anything. People can rwt by selling junk/accounts, and there is NO way jagex can get around that unless *gasp* no ge limits.

[howbadisbad]

They can't do anything. People can rwt by selling junk/accounts, and there is NO way jagex can get around that unless *gasp* no ge limits.

Which = more RWT

 

Looks like Jagex lost those 50k subscribers for nothing :rolleyes:

[anonymouse_]

I'm surprised some people still don't believe botting is a serious problem in runescape...

 

On a site-that-shall-remain-nameless, a site where people are dedicated to cheating, you'd be surprised to see the attitude botters have nowadays. Mainly they say "I'll just bot soul wars for 95 pray, probably get a temp ban but I'll wait it out", or "I'll just bot 99 hunter, make some cash and sell the account".

 

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you are on this issue, and still use the whole "let them bot, doesn't affect me, w/e"...

 

RWT is starting all over again, account trading, macroing, etc. I wonder what kind of drastic change is going to happen this time, remember when the wilderness was removed?

And how does someone making some money off this game or getting a few lvls affect you, exactly?

[Bows]

I'm surprised some people still don't believe botting is a serious problem in runescape...

 

On a site-that-shall-remain-nameless, a site where people are dedicated to cheating, you'd be surprised to see the attitude botters have nowadays. Mainly they say "I'll just bot soul wars for 95 pray, probably get a temp ban but I'll wait it out", or "I'll just bot 99 hunter, make some cash and sell the account".

 

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you are on this issue, and still use the whole "let them bot, doesn't affect me, w/e"...

 

RWT is starting all over again, account trading, macroing, etc. I wonder what kind of drastic change is going to happen this time, remember when the wilderness was removed?

And how does someone making some money off this game or getting a few lvls affect you, exactly?

 

Exactly, it really shouldn't. The majority of people who should be complaining about botters are the people who are having their recourse areas taken over by them. You really shouldn't be a person with maxed melee's that only does slayer saying, "Bots always take my Slayer monsters!!" It just doesn't make sense.

[Saru Inc]

Ok, I'm not supporting botters. However, I guess I'm just taking a neutral stance. Like weed, I don't smoke weed, only cuz my mom grew pot in college, and now shes mad conservative, so she knows what it smells like >.> However, if I were to vote on it, I'd vote for it. I mean it doesn't affect me, and if I get f'd over in the end, thats my fault for voting. I mean I'll admit it, if a bot logs into my spot from taking its auto breaks and just sets traps I'll report it for being an e-douche. But I don't go out of my way. I'll log into a world full of botters at chins, and just be grateful none of them are [bleep]s asking for assistance in something [developmentally delayed]ed.

 

 

In the end I may wish I was harsher on bots, if all my spots take over, and that whole shtick about botters taking over. But that's something I'll accept, as my fault, and be ok with it. If you want to report people for botting, that's fine. They are breaking the rules. But don't go out of your way, then your a douche bag. (I'm talking to All is Great, but I'm not calling you a douchebag per se, just people who go out of their way.)

[un4given]

LOL whats Jagex going to do remove free trade, and the wilderness, oh wait.

 

I dont care how many people do this, it doesnt affect me, what would affect me is Jagex ruining the game by trying to fix it.

Exactly my stance on this issue. There are bigger problems in real life and some pixelated world isn't one of them.

[All_Is_Great]

I'm surprised some people still don't believe botting is a serious problem in runescape...

 

On a site-that-shall-remain-nameless, a site where people are dedicated to cheating, you'd be surprised to see the attitude botters have nowadays. Mainly they say "I'll just bot soul wars for 95 pray, probably get a temp ban but I'll wait it out", or "I'll just bot 99 hunter, make some cash and sell the account".

 

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you are on this issue, and still use the whole "let them bot, doesn't affect me, w/e"...

 

RWT is starting all over again, account trading, macroing, etc. I wonder what kind of drastic change is going to happen this time, remember when the wilderness was removed?

 

LOL whats Jagex going to do remove free trade, and the wilderness, oh wait.

 

I dont care how many people do this, it doesnt affect me, what would affect me is Jagex ruining the game by trying to fix it.

 

You're right, but it's still a pretty big problem. And it's only getting bigger, eventually, it'll start affecting people like us.

 

Already, some parts of the game are unplayable, like soul wars (have you seen how many bots there are at that place?), and red chins, etc.

 

As they start developing more bots, they might take over...

[Bladewing]

When the bots take over, I call being morpheus.

[anonymouse_]

I'm surprised some people still don't believe botting is a serious problem in runescape...

 

On a site-that-shall-remain-nameless, a site where people are dedicated to cheating, you'd be surprised to see the attitude botters have nowadays. Mainly they say "I'll just bot soul wars for 95 pray, probably get a temp ban but I'll wait it out", or "I'll just bot 99 hunter, make some cash and sell the account".

 

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you are on this issue, and still use the whole "let them bot, doesn't affect me, w/e"...

 

RWT is starting all over again, account trading, macroing, etc. I wonder what kind of drastic change is going to happen this time, remember when the wilderness was removed?

 

LOL whats Jagex going to do remove free trade, and the wilderness, oh wait.

 

I dont care how many people do this, it doesnt affect me, what would affect me is Jagex ruining the game by trying to fix it.

 

You're right, but it's still a pretty big problem. And it's only getting bigger, eventually, it'll start affecting people like us.

 

Already, some parts of the game are unplayable, like soul wars (have you seen how many bots there are at that place?), and red chins, etc.

 

As they start developing more bots, they might take over...

SW is not unplayable, all the bots kill each other at obby which does not affect the game in any way.

 

At red chins you can easily lure the bots to ogres and free up a few spots, not to mention it doesn't take long to find an empty spot anyways.

[Normalize]

I'm a bot hunter. I kill, trap, and disable hundreds of bots regularly.

And the most important thing I learned about botters is: They can do anything and everything, kill stuff, spin the camera, train every skill, log off and take breaks, do random events in seconds, talk. And all you can do is report them and wait, as the bot that handles the report rejects it.

Runescape is doomed unless players get rid of bots because jagex can't do it alone.

Runescape is Bots vs vampyres. Bots against people who never go outside and hate sunlight, admit it, that's all of us reading this.

I know you will probably laugh and ignore this. But when bots ruin everything, they have the last laugh.

 

If bots were ever truly gone, you would be begging for them back.

 

I know I would. I trust the lvl138 over the stupid Sw0rdz noob who thinks he's cool because he's a wannabe mod.

 

"Hur dur dur im a REGULAR BOT HUNTER I'm so cool, like OH-EMM-GEE it's not as if that player would want to ignore me because I'm a total jackass !"

[Aiel]

I'm a bot hunter. I kill, trap, and disable hundreds of bots regularly.

And the most important thing I learned about botters is: They can do anything and everything, kill stuff, spin the camera, train every skill, log off and take breaks, do random events in seconds, talk. And all you can do is report them and wait, as the bot that handles the report rejects it.

Runescape is doomed unless players get rid of bots because jagex can't do it alone.

Runescape is Bots vs vampyres. Bots against people who never go outside and hate sunlight, admit it, that's all of us reading this.

I know you will probably laugh and ignore this. But when bots ruin everything, they have the last laugh.

 

If bots were ever truly gone, you would be begging for them back.

 

No. I hate them, they ruin prices. If bots were gone, people could make money from skills like fishing, woodcutting, mining. Amounts of money over the current 15k an hour or so at yews. I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for resources. Bots make stuff crowded. Bots clog up the servers. How could bots possibly help me? (Not rhetorical)

 

Protip: everything bots clog up is [cabbage]ty money even when their not there. Yews will NEVER be decent money, sharks will NEVER be the best money maker, mining bots are irrelevant get 77 mining and it wouldnt matter if theres 1 bot or 500.

 

When you stop doing the stupid money making methods like those and train skills the fast way (ivy for woodcutting, LRC for mining (easiest way), barb fishing for fishing, and have a half decent money maker on the side, you will get more money and more xp per hour then doing "profitable" skilling.

 

Also because theres so many bots you can buy tons of yews for cheap and get your fletching up, get prayer up for cheaper then otherwise, now even herblore with the ranaar spawn. Bots hurt only those who hurt themselves already.

 

They will never be decent money if bots are still there. If bots are gone, yews will double in price and be empty. That is when they become profitable. The main reason they're not profitable now is the botting there. And as you said, they're still clogging it up. Remember a time when green dragons were good money? No. Because of the bots. Sharks won't be the best, but they will be better. And the methods you said as alternatives are for training. And about prices, I couldn't care less about paying more. Ever heard of inflation? My items would be worth more, so I could pay more by selling stuff. I'd be able to use the new moneymaking methods like yews and green dragons as well as my old ones to make up for it.

even if yews doubled in price they'd be under 400k p/h at 99 :rolleyes: With reasonable stats bots help you at green dragons, as you can get the kill almost every time. I don't see what inflation has to do with this and yews are definetly not a moneymaking method.

[Normalize]

I'm a bot hunter. I kill, trap, and disable hundreds of bots regularly.

And the most important thing I learned about botters is: They can do anything and everything, kill stuff, spin the camera, train every skill, log off and take breaks, do random events in seconds, talk. And all you can do is report them and wait, as the bot that handles the report rejects it.

Runescape is doomed unless players get rid of bots because jagex can't do it alone.

Runescape is Bots vs vampyres. Bots against people who never go outside and hate sunlight, admit it, that's all of us reading this.

I know you will probably laugh and ignore this. But when bots ruin everything, they have the last laugh.

 

If bots were ever truly gone, you would be begging for them back.

 

No. I hate them, they ruin prices. If bots were gone, people could make money from skills like fishing, woodcutting, mining. Amounts of money over the current 15k an hour or so at yews. I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for resources. Bots make stuff crowded. Bots clog up the servers. How could bots possibly help me? (Not rhetorical)

 

Protip: everything bots clog up is [cabbage]ty money even when their not there. Yews will NEVER be decent money, sharks will NEVER be the best money maker, mining bots are irrelevant get 77 mining and it wouldnt matter if theres 1 bot or 500.

 

When you stop doing the stupid money making methods like those and train skills the fast way (ivy for woodcutting, LRC for mining (easiest way), barb fishing for fishing, and have a half decent money maker on the side, you will get more money and more xp per hour then doing "profitable" skilling.

 

Also because theres so many bots you can buy tons of yews for cheap and get your fletching up, get prayer up for cheaper then otherwise, now even herblore with the ranaar spawn. Bots hurt only those who hurt themselves already.

 

They will never be decent money if bots are still there. If bots are gone, yews will double in price and be empty. That is when they become profitable. The main reason they're not profitable now is the botting there. And as you said, they're still clogging it up. Remember a time when green dragons were good money? No. Because of the bots. Sharks won't be the best, but they will be better. And the methods you said as alternatives are for training. And about prices, I couldn't care less about paying more. Ever heard of inflation? My items would be worth more, so I could pay more by selling stuff. I'd be able to use the new moneymaking methods like yews and green dragons as well as my old ones to make up for it.

even if yews doubled in price they'd be under 400k p/h at 99 :rolleyes: With reasonable stats bots help you at green dragons, as you can get the kill almost every time. I don't see what inflation has to do with this and yews are definetly not a moneymaking method.

 

This.

 

Sword you can easily make over 600k an hour with your crappy stats. Collecting raw recources such as yews will NEVER be good money maker, and if they double in price (which they wont its stuck where it is because of alch price) then guess what it STILL isnt good money

 

If there werent bots Green dragons would be excellent money! But dont a thread about prayer being ridiculously expensive. Level 99 costs 500mil? no that wouldnt be an exageration.

 

However you STILL can make better moeny then green drags on an empty world. Dozens of methods that are extremely good money and no bots are near you.

 

Its ironic that your melee stats are only marginally lower then mine and your knowledge is still vastly inferior to mine, not to sound like an elitist by saying that, but its just goes to show levels =/= knowledge

 

 

You're right. You're simply smarter.

[Nomrombom]

people who never go outside and hate sunlight, admit it, that's all of us reading this

 

 

Oh, right, you know that everyone playing Runescape is a fat nerd who doesn't do any sports and doesn't have a girlfriend?

 

:roll:

 

I play baseball on a statewide level, play soccer, referee soccer (making 25$ an hour thx) and get straight A's in school.

 

 

I hate it when people assume that everyone in RS is a acne covered nerd who doesn't do anything except play. I'm a nerd, but nothing near what some cretins stereotype nerds as.

[un4given]

Exactly, bots have little influence on the economy, fish are dropping because of LEGIT players not bots. And bots will always be here so complaining about them is just plain stupid.

Fish are dropping because of bots actually..

 

Fish are dropping because of legit players. See fishing is very closely linked market, if the price of one fish drops they all do. As you probably know there was an update to make fishing significantly easier f2p, which undoubtedly caused a drop in swordfish and lobster prices. Which heal about as much as monkfish bringing them down, which then brought down sharks and rocktails.

 

Bots may have hurt the situation, but the summerplayers themselves are what really caused the drop.

 

This happens every summer, as a result of more people gathering rather then training production skills

Ok lol you just keep believing that.

 

I offered plenty of evidence in the way of it being the summer crash. Do >you< have any evidence that it is being caused by bots?

You believe this summer crash is because of legit players. Legit players play a role but so do bots. Unfortunately I've seen both the tip and the bottom of the iceberg and it's not just legit kids fishing their summer away affecting prices.

[anonymouse_]

I'm a bot hunter. I kill, trap, and disable hundreds of bots regularly.

And the most important thing I learned about botters is: They can do anything and everything, kill stuff, spin the camera, train every skill, log off and take breaks, do random events in seconds, talk. And all you can do is report them and wait, as the bot that handles the report rejects it.

Runescape is doomed unless players get rid of bots because jagex can't do it alone.

Runescape is Bots vs vampyres. Bots against people who never go outside and hate sunlight, admit it, that's all of us reading this.

I know you will probably laugh and ignore this. But when bots ruin everything, they have the last laugh.

 

If bots were ever truly gone, you would be begging for them back.

 

No. I hate them, they ruin prices. If bots were gone, people could make money from skills like fishing, woodcutting, mining. Amounts of money over the current 15k an hour or so at yews. I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for resources. Bots make stuff crowded. Bots clog up the servers. How could bots possibly help me? (Not rhetorical)

 

Protip: everything bots clog up is [cabbage]ty money even when their not there. Yews will NEVER be decent money, sharks will NEVER be the best money maker, mining bots are irrelevant get 77 mining and it wouldnt matter if theres 1 bot or 500.

 

When you stop doing the stupid money making methods like those and train skills the fast way (ivy for woodcutting, LRC for mining (easiest way), barb fishing for fishing, and have a half decent money maker on the side, you will get more money and more xp per hour then doing "profitable" skilling.

 

Also because theres so many bots you can buy tons of yews for cheap and get your fletching up, get prayer up for cheaper then otherwise, now even herblore with the ranaar spawn. Bots hurt only those who hurt themselves already.

 

They will never be decent money if bots are still there. If bots are gone, yews will double in price and be empty. That is when they become profitable. The main reason they're not profitable now is the botting there. And as you said, they're still clogging it up. Remember a time when green dragons were good money? No. Because of the bots. Sharks won't be the best, but they will be better. And the methods you said as alternatives are for training. And about prices, I couldn't care less about paying more. Ever heard of inflation? My items would be worth more, so I could pay more by selling stuff. I'd be able to use the new moneymaking methods like yews and green dragons as well as my old ones to make up for it.

People like you make me lmao. Nobody cares about what you're doing, and you get absolutely nothing out of it. Hell, even Jagex doesn't give a damn, they hand out at least 3 temp bans before a perm; all they care about is their bottom line. There are so many bots that even a thousand of you wouldn't make a difference. I can understand someone playing this game for hours on end when they really have nothing better to do, but when you go out of your way reporting bots, well that's nothing short of pathetic :thumbdown:

 

This is not intended as a flame, but rather a completely honest opinion.

[Saru Inc]

guys I think we are being trolled by Sw0rd. No one could actually... post what Sw0rd is posting without trolling.

[anonymouse_]

Check the bot discussion on the general forum, a lot of people were saying similar stuff to sw0rd. I feel like the average intelligence of this forum goes down 10 points when bots are discussed

I was too lazy to read that, by the time I saw it, it was already over 6 pgs long...was like f that :thumbdown:

[Nomrombom]

intelligence

 

 

this forum

 

LOLLERGASM!

[FooK-A-Ji]

i dont see how people would want bots to do everything for them becuase wen your at the top it get pretty boring up there (not saying i am at the top) wen you wc you dont see yourself gain a level or anything like that all you see is an epic hard shell and hidden underneath that is a lazy person that doesnt want to do anything in life. i mean life is no where close to being able to have some one else for you to do it. so why do it on runescape?

thats funny. i had the impression that people bot because they wanted to do stuff in real life..... (like maybe study and get smarter) (to make better bots hahaha)

[Crit2h]

Why should Bots and Botters be allowed to stay?

 

While Jagex deserves to be blamed for the state, what about some of the players? Too individualistic and too busy to care? Maybe.

[Omali]

Why should Bots and Botters be allowed to stay?

 

While Jagex deserves to be blamed for the state, what about some of the players? Too individualistic and too busy to care? Maybe.

 

The players who buy it are more to blame than the people who make it.

 

If people didn't buy gold/characters, there would be no demand and thus no reason to supply. For that example, everyone wants to go after the cigarette companies because their products offer virtually no benefits, although if everyone in the new generation, knowing what we now know about cigarettes that we didn't just a few decades ago, then the cigarette industry would die out as the older generation died. Not the case.

 

Considering the ratio of people looking for jobs in countries like China to jobs available, I don't blame the rise of gold farming on poor people looking for work. Quite frankly, sitting in an air conditioned room running a few bots sounds like a much better job than working in a poorly maintained Chinese factory making stupid [cabbage] for dumb middle class white kids, and from my experience talking with a few of these gold farming companies, they do treat their employees fairly well in comparison to their other choices of business. There are some shady businesses who got into gold farming, considering its illicit nature, but that is every industry imaginable. Hell, there's still bootleg beer in the United States, considering prohibition ended before most of our parents were born.

 

I don't condone the gold farmers at all, and actively support removing them from games, but I foremost blame the players who are buying it and creating the demand.