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The Chaotic Rapier rips through Bando's GWD's Boss.

I'll be able to do it with Overloads and Piety in... 2 days. The difference between me and him will be the fact that I will be taking advantage of the +30 stab bonus he sacrifices. And my attack is 9 levels higher. =p

At Bando's GWD, Rapier > CLS.


Completely untrue. Give someone like ME a CLS vs Rapier, and I'd find rapier more useful.

One thing most of these debates neglect is how useful the boosted accuracy is to people without overloads/extremes, maxed combat, and turmoil. I didn't put in piety because it's not that high leveled/I have it. I somehow doubt that if I tried both at Bandos GW, I'd find the Rapier the better choice.

So you are saying that cls is better than rapier if you suck enough? Not the greatest advertisement for anyone to buy it, to be honest. And even by that logic, you will at some point suck little enough for rapier to be better and from then on, you've wasted 200k tokens. Also, as for most people the repair cost seems quite spicy(not that it is), most of the people who will be using these will not suck hard enough for cls to be better... So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier? because the opposite is true for a load of things. Only thing i can realistically think of is mithril dragons, as their defence is still a bit brisk(though i havn't tried with sup antifire yet).

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Original post changed because I found it... off.



The Chaotic Rapier rips through Bando's GWD's Boss.

I'll be able to do it with Overloads and Piety in... 2 days. The difference between me and him will be the fact that I will be taking advantage of the +30 stab bonus he sacrifices. And my attack is 9 levels higher. =p

At Bando's GWD, Rapier > CLS.


Completely untrue. Give someone like ME a CLS vs Rapier, and I'd find rapier more useful.

One thing most of these debates neglect is how useful the boosted accuracy is to people without overloads/extremes, maxed combat, and turmoil. I didn't put in piety because it's not that high leveled/I have it. I somehow doubt that if I tried both at Bandos GW, I'd find the Rapier the better choice.

So you are saying that cls is better than rapier if you suck enough? Not the greatest advertisement for anyone to buy it, to be honest. And even by that logic, you will at some point suck little enough for rapier to be better and from then on, you've wasted 200k tokens. Also, as for most people the repair cost seems quite spicy(not that it is), most of the people who will be using these will not suck hard enough for cls to be better... So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier? because the opposite is true for a load of things. Only thing i can realistically think of is mithril dragons, as their defence is still a bit brisk(though i havn't tried with sup antifire yet).


Na. Rapier rarely misses with Extreme Attack. Sometimes with Supers. You can kill the dragons fast enough for 2 drops to be visable from 2 different dragons, so 4 Dragons in about 2 minutes. Again, this is only with Piety.
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I think Longsword is better than the Rapier if you suck enough..

Think about it.

If you were 80 attack what would you want for bandos. Whip or GS

GS ofc.

Seems to be like the same situation..


Also, what do you think would be better for me? 95 attack, extreme pots, piety. On graar
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Longsword is better than rapier on Graardor. There is no way that rapier hits at least 54% of the time on him. However, on DKs and TDs rapier would be better.
 

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+30? Rune Defender is 20 and ardy cape is 6 but wheres the other 4? :blink:


Dragonstone Ring (I). Also, subtract 1 because the Fire Cape provides +1. =p

Longsword is better than rapier on Graardor. There is no way that rapier hits at least 54% of the time on him. However, on DKs and TDs rapier would be better.


Again, this video:



The person in the video, who is only 90 Attack, comes close to this 54% you talk about. He is missing out on the +20 Stab on the Defender because he is using Divine. With 99 attack and the Defender the only thing that would keep someone away from this magical number of 54% (which I'd love to know how you got) is the Random Number Gods.

I didn't go through the entire video. I went through about 20% of it. Because I have things I'd rather do.
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Whip's stats alone are already good enough for me so when I do get to make a choice between the Rapier and the Longsword although I understand that the Rapier is better I will be getting the Longsword. It's gotten to the point where I just don't give a damn about efficiency I just want to play the game by my preference. I think the Longsword looks better and as a weapon it's more appealing to me.

Of course if I ever do build up enough tokens then one day I'll also buy the Rapier just for collections sake!



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That's exactly my view on the subject. Althoug I'll be using it for slayer mostly, I just don't care anymore about DPS. Rapier looks ugly, and I like seeing higher hits without having to give up my shield slot, so CLS is the thing for me.
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The Chaotic Rapier rips through Bando's GWD's Boss.



I'll be able to do it with Overloads and Piety in... 2 days. The difference between me and him will be the fact that I will be taking advantage of the +30 stab bonus he sacrifices. And my attack is 9 levels higher. =p

At Bando's GWD, Rapier > CLS.


Completely untrue. Give someone like ME a CLS vs Rapier, and I'd find rapier more useful.

One thing most of these debates neglect is how useful the boosted accuracy is to people without overloads/extremes, maxed combat, and turmoil. I didn't put in piety because it's not that high leveled/I have it. I somehow doubt that if I tried both at Bandos GW, I'd find the Rapier the better choice.


you just disagreed and said "give me both and id find rapier more usefull" thats what he just said that rapier is best

to my understanding you just posted disagreeing with him saying its untrue, then you went thru and agreed with him that rapier is better, thats realy confusing me


Er, sorry, that was totally a typo. I'd probabyl find CLS more useful. I don't blame you at all for being confused :wall:



The Chaotic Rapier rips through Bando's GWD's Boss.

I'll be able to do it with Overloads and Piety in... 2 days. The difference between me and him will be the fact that I will be taking advantage of the +30 stab bonus he sacrifices. And my attack is 9 levels higher. =p

At Bando's GWD, Rapier > CLS.


Completely untrue. Give someone like ME a CLS vs Rapier, and I'd find rapier more useful.

One thing most of these debates neglect is how useful the boosted accuracy is to people without overloads/extremes, maxed combat, and turmoil. I didn't put in piety because it's not that high leveled/I have it. I somehow doubt that if I tried both at Bandos GW, I'd find the Rapier the better choice.

So you are saying that cls is better than rapier if you suck enough? Not the greatest advertisement for anyone to buy it, to be honest. And even by that logic, you will at some point suck little enough for rapier to be better and from then on, you've wasted 200k tokens. Also, as for most people the repair cost seems quite spicy(not that it is), most of the people who will be using these will not suck hard enough for cls to be better... So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier? because the opposite is true for a load of things. Only thing i can realistically think of is mithril dragons, as their defence is still a bit brisk(though i havn't tried with sup antifire yet).


True, true, I also have a typo in there, I'd rather have CLS then Rapier at my stats, just to make that clear.

Keep in mind, I think there's a difference between sucking and having maxed melee/overloads/turmoil. However, my melee stats are almost in the 90s (90 attack, 89str/def) so they aren't THAT low.

That being said, I haven't owned either weapon. I think it'd be good to do some tests on CLS vs Rapier with maxed melee/piety, no untradeable potions or turmoil.

Then again, the turmoil boosts aren't that much higher then piety, untradeable pots aren't available in PVP, and it seems that rapier does extremely well then, despite lacking some K0 potential....Ok, I'm convinced that Rapier > CLS in most situations.

I still think it'd be interesting to see how CLS vs Rapier fares at Bandos or somewhere else WITHOUT extremes/overloads. I'd put in a stronger argument if I actually planned on getting 80 dunge anytime soon. Plan to quit at 70 once I get the arcane stream.


+30? Rune Defender is 20 and ardy cape is 6 but wheres the other 4? :blink:


Dragonstone Ring (I). Also, subtract 1 because the Fire Cape provides +1. =p

Longsword is better than rapier on Graardor. There is no way that rapier hits at least 54% of the time on him. However, on DKs and TDs rapier would be better.


Again, this video:



The person in the video, who is only 90 Attack, comes close to this 54% you talk about. He is missing out on the +20 Stab on the Defender because he is using Divine. With 99 attack and the Defender the only thing that would keep someone away from this magical number of 54% (which I'd love to know how you got) is the Random Number Gods.

I didn't go through the entire video. I went through about 20% of it. Because I have things I'd rather do.


Note that he also had overloads. I'd be much more interested if he used super set or something. Even extremems are far off for me...then again, so is a chaotic weapon.

The general conclusion I'm getting from this is that Rapier > CLS unless your a relatively low level. "Relatively low level" is using people who have near maxed combat and extremes at their disposal. Anyone care to disagree with that?

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Whether or not the CLS is better FOR YOU, that doesn't change the fact that the rapier is better.
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It's not like it's hard to get money for extremes or turmoil... It's much harder to train melees.

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It's not like it's hard to get money for extremes or turmoil... It's much harder to train melees.

It doesn't take much effort to afk AZs for a few weeks tbh

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Rapier would definately be my first choice but OP severely underestimates CLS.

So you are saying that cls is better than rapier if you suck enough? Not the greatest advertisement for anyone to buy it, to be honest. And even by that logic, you will at some point suck little enough for rapier to be better and from then on, you've wasted 200k tokens. Also, as for most people the repair cost seems quite spicy(not that it is), most of the people who will be using these will not suck hard enough for cls to be better... So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier? because the opposite is true for a load of things. Only thing i can realistically think of is mithril dragons, as their defence is still a bit brisk(though i havn't tried with sup antifire yet).


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Note that he also had overloads. I'd be much more interested if he used super set or something. Even extremems are far off for me...then again, so is a chaotic weapon.

The general conclusion I'm getting from this is that Rapier > CLS unless your a relatively low level. "Relatively low level" is using people who have near maxed combat and extremes at their disposal. Anyone care to disagree with that?


He's 90 Attack so pots to 114 with Overloads, that's the same as a Super Attack at 95.

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So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier?


So...

Slayer: rapier (because of the low defence most slayer monsters have)
Godwars: longsword (high defence monsters)
PVP: maul (because of the KO ability)

Right? <_<

I only want to spend tokens on one weapon, so I truly hope this conclusion is false. :P

If only dungeoneering weapons were exchangeable just like castle wars armour... :roll:

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So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier?


So...

Slayer: rapier (because of the low defence most slayer monsters have)
Godwars: longsword (high defence monsters)
PVP: maul (because of the KO ability)

Right? <_<

I only want to spend tokens on one weapon, so I truly hope this conclusion is false. :P

If only dungeoneering weapons were exchangeable just like castle wars armour... :roll:


Well, a rapier is clearly best for slayer/other low defense monster hunting. It's good for boss hunting, and it's shown to be pretty good for PVP. I think I've stated before in this thread and others, but rapier is the most versatile of the weapons.

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Rapier would definately be my first choice but OP severely underestimates CLS.


So you are saying that cls is better than rapier if you suck enough? Not the greatest advertisement for anyone to buy it, to be honest. And even by that logic, you will at some point suck little enough for rapier to be better and from then on, you've wasted 200k tokens. Also, as for most people the repair cost seems quite spicy(not that it is), most of the people who will be using these will not suck hard enough for cls to be better... So as a status report on this thread, can anyone think of places where the cls has a clear advantage over the rapier? because the opposite is true for a load of things. Only thing i can realistically think of is mithril dragons, as their defence is still a bit brisk(though i havn't tried with sup antifire yet).


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I just bought a Rapier. I tried it out a bit in clan wars, and tbh, I wasn't too impressed by the accuracy or high hits. Okay, I did 2 hit a guy once (550 440), but all in all it didn't seem that game changing as I hoped it would have been.

On slayer however, it absolutely owned. I managed to hit a 701 on a dark beast as my max (this was including dfs and str amulet for max non pvp armour str bonus). I timed 10 min of pure rapiering (no claw specs) and came out at 38.4k slay xp per hour. That's pretty damn impressive, for pure melee'ing.

After that, I tried mith drags. I used ardy cloak and onyx (i) for extra accuracy, but it still sucked. I only brought a few tuna, thinking I would manage with soul split, but I tellied out after one drag...

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The fact that no one ever bothers talking about the chaotic x-bow or the chaotic staff speaks volumes to how useless they really are.

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Can someone try their CLS uot at slayer and compare it with whip, because i'm jubious as to what to get, i'm gonna slay a lot to max melle, but i'm gonna MH even more in summer because thats what i like. If the CLS is better than whip at slayer than i will get, but it appears CLS is on the same level as whip on slayer, i just don't know :S

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The fact that no one ever bothers talking about the chaotic x-bow or the chaotic staff speaks volumes to how useless they really are.

Chaotic Staff does in fact give +20% magic damage, though.
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Can someone try their CLS uot at slayer and compare it with whip, because i'm jubious as to what to get, i'm gonna slay a lot to max melle, but i'm gonna MH even more in summer because thats what i like. If the CLS is better than whip at slayer than i will get, but it appears CLS is on the same level as whip on slayer, i just don't know :S

It's worse for all Kurdal dungeon monsters apart from irons and steels, otherwise better for aquanites, mithril dragons, black dragons, same or a bit worse for everything else. Assuming etremes/turmoil(piety). Overall(as most of the tasks it is better for are rare/blocked) it isn't worth it for slayer(unless you use it for the specific tasks). Rapier is better than cls for slayer except for mithril dragons.


The fact that no one ever bothers talking about the chaotic x-bow or the chaotic staff speaks volumes to how useless they really are.

Chaotic Staff does in fact give +20% magic damage, though.

Really? any proof of that or you are just .....

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