Item Risk

[TheAncient]

I am fairly convinced that there is a substantial difference between 100 and 115 magic defense. For some reason magic defense is very sensitive to small bonuses.

[Kimberly]

In this day and age, the only place to be worrying about whether or not you'll lose something is places like Armadyl or Saradomin GWD. Everything else, you can get to in 6min. If you use a DK cc, most people will bless you if you die. Etc.

 

Risking these days means nothing except for in PvP. :/

[Goldenjkered]

I've kind of always been worried about dieing with expensive items on me, so if it's a risky situation like solo Bandos then I'll dress down. I got a real shock the other day when I almost lost 20+ mil worth of stuff on my way to Abby Demons in slayer tower. I thought I could get away with not wearing a slayer helmt/nose peg when passing the abberant spectres, big mistake. I got out of there with less then 100 lp, so I've learnt my lesson now.

[Obtaurian]

I am fairly convinced that there is a substantial difference between 100 and 115 magic defense. For some reason magic defense is very sensitive to small bonuses.

 

Yeah, I agree. For anything else I wouldn't be bothered, but 15 magic defense is a LOT.

[stonewall337]

Whatever people want to risk is their decision, and they have obviously weighed the risks (although possibly inaccurately so) and decided it is worth it.

 

It is none of your concern what others risk.

 

Wait why? Sure, they're entitled to their personal opinions, but if we're arguing for efficiency here, then we have common ground to talk about it rationally.

 

Also @ stonewall: I don't think the onyx(i) makes a substantial difference... and isn't that what's preventing you from keeping your bandos?

No, I said I don't use onyx (I). I just had it on for that pic, normally use dstone (i).

[Lugia_Lvl138]

It depends what you are talking about when you are risking? Are you talking about PvP or monster hunting?

 

I wont say anything on PvP since I don't do that but for PvM:

My point of view is that reducing risk is not really a loss in efficiency in the long run.

If getting 12 arma solo kills instead of 13 arma kills a trip bothers you, then don't read my post.

 

Weapons and Offensive levels help you kill monsters faster. Armor (ignoring amulet/ring/gloves) has nothing to do with killing things faster. The +8 str bonus from bandos is not going to keep you from getting crashed from someone risking half that amount with -8 of you.

 

As per the armor slots that do give offensive stats, I think people overestimate the importance of a few offensive points. +1 on a ring (onyx over dtsone) is going to be such a marginal increase in your equipment it would take you thousands of kills to even see the difference one would make over the other. If the dice has to roll between 1:300 to 1:301, the odds are so minimal to roll that +1 more in accuracy that it is an un-necessary risk.

 

When I say un-necessary risk I do not mean to say you should not bring it because it isnt better. If by all means you feel the +1 keeps you alive, then take the item. But an un-necessary risk will mean the benefit you will see from the item will be so small in the course of an hour you might only notice a half of a kills difference.

 

I think to many people feel that you HAVE to risk to be proficient. They forget you can still be 99% proficient without risking. There is plenty of gear in this game that gives smaller portions of stats and has very low risk value.

 

Example: My armadyl setup only risks about 200k (not including bolts) while my friend risks ~20-30M+. Whats the difference? I have about -10 range attack, -20 magic defense, -30 melee defense and +2 more prayer than he does. When we duo I ushally end up out of supplies just before he does or sometimes after. When you already have stats in the 200's and 300's, a +10 or +15 is such a small increase it dosen't matter anymore. If kree is going to hit though your +170 magic defense, she is going to do it regardless if your +170 or +185.

 

Risk = Reward, however.

Unnecessary Risk = Reward.

 

There is a difference between "risking" and risking things that are so marginal there will be no noticeable increase in reward.

 

This is why I always use Ring of Life for GWD/DK solos.

[Logdotzip]

The only time I die is when my net disagrees with me. Spam click brews = survival, pretty much anywhere and everywhere.

 

Therefore I risk my best s*** all the time. I didn't used to though.

 

 

It's like some people have said, the better your gear, the less chance you'll die. Bring that glory to save that fury? Sure. But that fury could have kept you from dying when you brought the glory instead.

[TheAncient]

Things like internet dying, lightning storm, computer crash, all force you to log out (and usually for more than 6 minutes) which can kill you... and they're more or less out of your control.

[Sir_Squab]

If people want to risk expensive things, especially chaotic and firecapes, let them. They obviously feel confident enough that they won't die, and confident that they can get back if they DO die.

[Obtaurian]

My computer is prone to lag spikes and my internet can be unreliable at times, so I prefer to minimize my risk when possible (unless I'm with someone I trust). I would never, ever risk a chaotic weapon. At most, I'd risk maybe 5M, but I usually try to get it down to 1M or less. That's partially why I love TDs so much -- you can use cheap armor and easily get back in time.

 

Talking about boss hunting, of course.

[Riptide Mage]

My computer is prone to lag spikes and my internet can be unreliable at times, so I prefer to minimize my risk when possible (unless I'm with someone I trust). I would never, ever risk a chaotic weapon. At most, I'd risk maybe 5M, but I usually try to get it down to 1M or less. That's partially why I love TDs so much -- you can use cheap armor and easily get back in time.

 

Talking about boss hunting, of course.

 

What's the point of good gear if its just going to sit in your bank at the times when it might make a difference?

[TheAncient]

My computer is prone to lag spikes and my internet can be unreliable at times, so I prefer to minimize my risk when possible (unless I'm with someone I trust). I would never, ever risk a chaotic weapon. At most, I'd risk maybe 5M, but I usually try to get it down to 1M or less. That's partially why I love TDs so much -- you can use cheap armor and easily get back in time.

 

Talking about boss hunting, of course.

 

What's the point of good gear if its just going to sit in your bank at the times when it might make a difference?

 

Most of my good gear is for safe pvp (clan wars), I use really nooby gear at MHing

[z0diark]

Are you being crashed by the elite with their chaotic weaponry? :P

 

On a serious note, I often have problems with my internet dcing so I always tend to be careful about what I risk when monsterhunting. If I'm going on a trip with people I don't know/trust then I tend to take 3/4 items of high value and keep the rest as cheap as possible (I don't mind risking barrows armour/whip but not bandos, for example). This works the same with my fire cape, since it took me so many tries to get it, i won't take it somewhere unless I'm certain my grave will be blessed (hoping to get a placeholder from a task sometime soon). If I'm going with friends/clanmates then I can trust them to know what they're doing and bless my grave if I disconnect so I don't mind having higher risks. I don't yet possess any chaotic weapons but I think if I did, I'd only risk it at somewhere like Saradomin GWD with a group of friends where I'm very unlikely to die and if I do, I know my grave's getting blessed.

 

P.S. Keep making these interesting threads sseli, even when I don't post on them they're always interesting to read :)

[TheAncient]

Are you being crashed by the elite with their chaotic weaponry? :P

 

On a serious note, I often have problems with my internet dcing so I always tend to be careful about what I risk when monsterhunting. If I'm going on a trip with people I don't know/trust then I tend to take 3/4 items of high value and keep the rest as cheap as possible (I don't mind risking barrows armour/whip but not bandos, for example). This works the same with my fire cape, since it took me so many tries to get it, i won't take it somewhere unless I'm certain my grave will be blessed (hoping to get a placeholder from a task sometime soon). If I'm going with friends/clanmates then I can trust them to know what they're doing and bless my grave if I disconnect so I don't mind having higher risks. I don't yet possess any chaotic weapons but I think if I did, I'd only risk it at somewhere like Saradomin GWD with a group of friends where I'm very unlikely to die and if I do, I know my grave's getting blessed.

 

P.S. Keep making these interesting threads sseli, even when I don't post on them they're always interesting to read :)

 

Ironically, I do use chaotic weaponry :P My gear is good enough that I can crash/anticrash, but bad enough so that I don't risk anything over 30M

 

I just don't understand the people who are on their 2nd CLS (and it always happens to be a CLS, never a rapier or maul ;) ). What in the world would be worth risking 50-100 hours of work for...

[Knitewulf]

I only risk when there's a reasonable chance of getting my stuff back (have someone bless or whatever).

 

That's the only viable explanation I see in doing something like this. I could care less about getting more kills in. If you die, those kills were worthless.

 

Gotta risk it for the biscuit.

 

Anyways, usually if its your first time boss hunting you don't take as goodn of gear as if it were your 5th or 10th time. Really with Unicorns, SS, Bunyips, EE, Extremes, Overloads, Turmoil, Rocktail. Its almost impossible to die.

 

Excuse me, but what do you know about this? You don't have access to either of those.. It is indeed possible to die with the best possible gear. Never underestimate the "semi"-bosses like DK's/TD's/KQ/KBD. They're bosses for a reason, and can easily kill you in a matter of seconds if you're not careful.

 

OT: I'm a bit on your side; I prefer getting used to the place (if I haven't been there in a while) with very cheap gear like Torag's helm instead of Verac's, Glory instead of Fury etc. When I realise I've got it under control I start upgrading items.. If I die, on the other hand, I ragequit and sell my bank, and return a few hours later to regret that, lol.

 

Some places where I'm really comfortable or am confident that I can get my stuff back even with a DC, I'd never loose on the gear (Sara godwars/TD's), while at other places you have no choice but to bring the best possible (6-man overload/turmoil teams @ corp).

 

And as for what Knitewulf said -- He is simply stating examples, showing that with the best possible gear, which is the items he listed, it's almost impossible to die. Just because he doesn't have access to them doesn't mean he doesn't know what they are capable of doing. And he never said it was impossible he said almost impossible meaning that if you are paying full attention, you're good; for the most part, but as stated, a slip up could lose it all.

Yes that is what I meant, thank you for clearing it up.

 

Usually the people that boss hunt solo are people with more than the required stats to do it and usually the lower lvls mass which requires not as good gear. The only place I wouldn't risk a lot is arma(Kree is mean to me :(). I don't boss hunt much so I don't have a lot of say in it, but I like risking in pking if that counts >.<.

[Obtaurian]

My computer is prone to lag spikes and my internet can be unreliable at times, so I prefer to minimize my risk when possible (unless I'm with someone I trust). I would never, ever risk a chaotic weapon. At most, I'd risk maybe 5M, but I usually try to get it down to 1M or less. That's partially why I love TDs so much -- you can use cheap armor and easily get back in time.

 

Talking about boss hunting, of course.

 

What's the point of good gear if its just going to sit in your bank at the times when it might make a difference?

 

Because boss hunting isn't the only thing to do in Runescape?

[re4p3r1]

for the most part, it's mainly those people who are rich enough to buy whatever they lose or those who have stockpiled loads of rare/expensive items over the time. you can't say you wouldn't wear your toughest armor and strongest equipment if you had a lot of them or enough money to buy them back.

[Viv]

My computer is prone to lag spikes and my internet can be unreliable at times, so I prefer to minimize my risk when possible (unless I'm with someone I trust). I would never, ever risk a chaotic weapon. At most, I'd risk maybe 5M, but I usually try to get it down to 1M or less. That's partially why I love TDs so much -- you can use cheap armor and easily get back in time.

 

Talking about boss hunting, of course.

 

What's the point of good gear if its just going to sit in your bank at the times when it might make a difference?

 

Because boss hunting isn't the only thing to do in Runescape?

yah theirs slayer, other things too

[z0diark]

Are you being crashed by the elite with their chaotic weaponry? :P

 

On a serious note, I often have problems with my internet dcing so I always tend to be careful about what I risk when monsterhunting. If I'm going on a trip with people I don't know/trust then I tend to take 3/4 items of high value and keep the rest as cheap as possible (I don't mind risking barrows armour/whip but not bandos, for example). This works the same with my fire cape, since it took me so many tries to get it, i won't take it somewhere unless I'm certain my grave will be blessed (hoping to get a placeholder from a task sometime soon). If I'm going with friends/clanmates then I can trust them to know what they're doing and bless my grave if I disconnect so I don't mind having higher risks. I don't yet possess any chaotic weapons but I think if I did, I'd only risk it at somewhere like Saradomin GWD with a group of friends where I'm very unlikely to die and if I do, I know my grave's getting blessed.

 

P.S. Keep making these interesting threads sseli, even when I don't post on them they're always interesting to read :)

 

Ironically, I do use chaotic weaponry :P My gear is good enough that I can crash/anticrash, but bad enough so that I don't risk anything over 30M

 

I just don't understand the people who are on their 2nd CLS (and it always happens to be a CLS, never a rapier or maul ;) ). What in the world would be worth risking 50-100 hours of work for...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some people used having to re-obtain a chaotic weapon as an inscentive to get some more dungeoneering experience actually. It does seem extremely wasteful though.

[TheAncient]

Are you being crashed by the elite with their chaotic weaponry? :P

 

On a serious note, I often have problems with my internet dcing so I always tend to be careful about what I risk when monsterhunting. If I'm going on a trip with people I don't know/trust then I tend to take 3/4 items of high value and keep the rest as cheap as possible (I don't mind risking barrows armour/whip but not bandos, for example). This works the same with my fire cape, since it took me so many tries to get it, i won't take it somewhere unless I'm certain my grave will be blessed (hoping to get a placeholder from a task sometime soon). If I'm going with friends/clanmates then I can trust them to know what they're doing and bless my grave if I disconnect so I don't mind having higher risks. I don't yet possess any chaotic weapons but I think if I did, I'd only risk it at somewhere like Saradomin GWD with a group of friends where I'm very unlikely to die and if I do, I know my grave's getting blessed.

 

P.S. Keep making these interesting threads sseli, even when I don't post on them they're always interesting to read :)

 

Ironically, I do use chaotic weaponry :P My gear is good enough that I can crash/anticrash, but bad enough so that I don't risk anything over 30M

 

I just don't understand the people who are on their 2nd CLS (and it always happens to be a CLS, never a rapier or maul ;) ). What in the world would be worth risking 50-100 hours of work for...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some people used having to re-obtain a chaotic weapon as an inscentive to get some more dungeoneering experience actually. It does seem extremely wasteful though.

 

This reasoning would make sense if there were incentive (other than resource dungeons and hiscores) to train dungeoneering... but dungeoneering is basically useless outside of its token rewards.

[jettrider]

Really seen a lot of varying numbers on the value of chaotic weaponry (2 million dungeoneering experience) here. One estimate is 50-100 hours of play (that's 20-40k exp/hour) and another is 20 hours (100k exp/hour).

 

Let's be reasonable here. Unless you are one of the ~25 players who can play for the exact same timeframe for 16 hours every day and who also happen to be pro dungeoneers training with each other, a dungeon with a good (non-117) team averages potentially 30-40 minutes. That translates to about 6-8 hours for the (approximately; should be a little less) 500k experience for a complete runthrough of the floors with the best strategy (pre-new floors), meaning a Chaotic weapon takes about 30 hours of time give or take half a dozen.

 

It really boils down to how much you value a chunk of time. I suspect that a lot of the risk comes from players not bothered to check the items lost on death screen (how many have you seen ragequitting after a big "I lost my bank" PvM death?). Then again, it always astounded me that so many players risk void equipment in PvP when it takes so long to regain a full set from Pest Control.

[Maleficus1055]

Honestly, the first thought in response to this thread: Don't be such a pansy.

[TheAncient]

Really seen a lot of varying numbers on the value of chaotic weaponry (2 million dungeoneering experience) here. One estimate is 50-100 hours of play (that's 20-40k exp/hour) and another is 20 hours (100k exp/hour).

 

Let's be reasonable here. Unless you are one of the ~25 players who can play for the exact same timeframe for 16 hours every day and who also happen to be pro dungeoneers training with each other, a dungeon with a good (non-117) team averages potentially 30-40 minutes. That translates to about 6-8 hours for the (approximately; should be a little less) 500k experience for a complete runthrough of the floors with the best strategy (pre-new floors), meaning a Chaotic weapon takes about 30 hours of time give or take half a dozen.

 

It really boils down to how much you value a chunk of time. I suspect that a lot of the risk comes from players not bothered to check the items lost on death screen (how many have you seen ragequitting after a big "I lost my bank" PvM death?). Then again, it always astounded me that so many players risk void equipment in PvP when it takes so long to regain a full set from Pest Control.

 

More realistically, even with good teams, you will in the long run average about 40K-50K xp/hr.

 

Even 30 hours is a lot... it's at least 1-2 weeks work of nolifing.

[Viv]

Really seen a lot of varying numbers on the value of chaotic weaponry (2 million dungeoneering experience) here. One estimate is 50-100 hours of play (that's 20-40k exp/hour) and another is 20 hours (100k exp/hour).

 

Let's be reasonable here. Unless you are one of the ~25 players who can play for the exact same timeframe for 16 hours every day and who also happen to be pro dungeoneers training with each other, a dungeon with a good (non-117) team averages potentially 30-40 minutes. That translates to about 6-8 hours for the (approximately; should be a little less) 500k experience for a complete runthrough of the floors with the best strategy (pre-new floors), meaning a Chaotic weapon takes about 30 hours of time give or take half a dozen.

 

It really boils down to how much you value a chunk of time. I suspect that a lot of the risk comes from players not bothered to check the items lost on death screen (how many have you seen ragequitting after a big "I lost my bank" PvM death?). Then again, it always astounded me that so many players risk void equipment in PvP when it takes so long to regain a full set from Pest Control.

 

More realistically, even with good teams, you will in the long run average about 40K-50K xp/hr.

 

Even 30 hours is a lot... it's at least 1-2 weeks work of nolifing.

.......3 days of nolifing lol anyway id say ....i wouldnt risk a chaotic...well risk w/o protect item but no risk with protect because it seems kinda dumb lol

[CheyneyC]

With gravestones, people are pretty much able to risk whatever they want as long as they have somebody to guarentee on to bless. Even without bless it's possible to get back to some places to loot your stuff.