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3 world rule? :mellow:

Or do you just automatically assume all worlds are occupied?

I wasn't aware that non-LS GWD or TD were always full.


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I don't see why you limit it to people weaker than you. I've never really tried boss hunting so I don't know what it's like but I used to take people's monster spots all the time when training slayer, and when people tried to take mine I just stuck around because I wasn't really bothered. The way I see is it is that I'm happy to have two people in one competetive spot, if they have a problem with it they can hop, and if I ever get frustrated at people turning up at my spot I just hop to save the hassle. Jagex have basically stated that crashing is part of the game via a comment one of the mods made, I don't remember the wording exactly but I'm sure you all know the one I mean.


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Honestly this thread is just people that agree with the op posting logical thoughts and people that don't trolling him.

 

And having two or more people in any boss spot with both having an equal chance of getting loot is inefficient.


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@OP, so basically you are saying because you have no life, and train your skills more, we should worship you?

Nice life.

 

It's ironic, then, that you're being a much bigger ass than the OP.

 

because if you're an ass that means you have no life.


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@OP, so basically you are saying because you have no life, and train your skills more, we should worship you?

Nice life.

 

It's ironic, then, that you're being a much bigger ass than the OP.

 

because if you're an ass that means you have no life.

 

If playing rs more means you have less of a life, why not quit. That way no one will crash you and you have more of a life.


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3 world rule? :mellow:

Or do you just automatically assume all worlds are occupied?

I wasn't aware that non-LS GWD or TD were always full.

 

I hop for Arma and I hop for TD's when I'm not using a titan, but if I have my titan with me and I only see one spawn used for TD's I'll crash - that's because I need both spawns, and it takes 4-5 worlds before I find a totally empty world.

 

Also I'm kind of amused at the claims "I have no life" - how do you know I don't have a life? What if I'm just that much more efficient than you? :shades:


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What's this talk about deserving spots? Nobody deserves anything.

 

Nobody deserves anything, nobody has earnt any right and there is no way you can say you earnt a spot. That doesn't mean you can't crash, it doesn't mean crashing is wrong, but don't justify it. It's not nice to others, but it's nice to yourself. Stand up for the fact that you choose for yourself, and I'll accept that. But this talk about deserving and earning is just crap.

 

 

Exactly, nobody does deserve or have the right to a spot, but I would hope that everybody playing has the ability to know that everybody has the right to be treated kindly and fairly and given a bit of respect.

 

Respect is bull[cabbage], everyone has to make ends meet. Everyone wants to pay for that new gear or levels (and as discussed in another thread it would appear that Monster Hunting is one of the more efficient money makers out there. So the day that person pays my bills is the day I let them have the spot. Since their not paying my bills (and cant even if they wanted to) I would take the spot from them if I had an opportunity.

 

Also taking their spot or not is not a respect issue in the first place because the person there first does not have claim (AND I REPEAT DOES NOT HAVE CLAIM TO) to the spot, there for it is not disrespectful to take it from them.

 

If there was a aura around the spot saying at the top Jagex LTD: This spot is owned and paid for by (insert player name here)

 

It would be VERY disrespectful to steal kills there.

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Honestly this thread is just people that agree with the op posting logical thoughts and people that don't trolling him.

 

There is no logic in the OP's statements whatsoever. They are understandable through empathy, but they are not logical. It is a moral question: 'When does someone deserve something?'. Morality is not logic.


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It's logical because it is the efficient thing to do. Sooner or later that 110 in dhides and dscim will be crashed, might aswell have you get the benefit of the open spot.


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It's logical because it is the efficient thing to do. Sooner or later that 110 in dhides and dscim will be crashed, might aswell have you get the benefit of the open spot.

It is not logical. Being efficient isn't logical. Being efficient can be someones wish in which case it is very understandable they try to be efficient. There is a difference between being understandable and logical. I'm not saying the OP is wrong or evil or anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't call it logical.


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It's logical because it is the efficient thing to do. Sooner or later that 110 in dhides and dscim will be crashed, might aswell have you get the benefit of the open spot.

It is not logical. Being efficient isn't logical. Being efficient can be someones wish in which case it is very understandable they try to be efficient. There is a difference between being understandable and logical. I'm not saying the OP is wrong or evil or anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't call it logical.

He desires to be efficient, therefore his actions are logical. It isn't the efficiency that makes it logical, its a reflection of his own desires which he is achieving in a way that makes sense.


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It's logical because it is the efficient thing to do. Sooner or later that 110 in dhides and dscim will be crashed, might aswell have you get the benefit of the open spot.

It is not logical. Being efficient isn't logical. Being efficient can be someones wish in which case it is very understandable they try to be efficient. There is a difference between being understandable and logical. I'm not saying the OP is wrong or evil or anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't call it logical.

 

Logically the reason everyone is mad right now (for or against OP) is because everyone feels they themselves if they put themselves in this situation deserves the spot.

 

Which leads to some bitter emotionally driven arguments we have seen on here already.

 

Summed up OP says may the strongest claim what they want.

 

While people against OP says may the early worms keep getting their worm (also known as first come first serve)

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Logically the reason everyone is mad right now (for or against OP) is because everyone feels they themselves if they put themselves in this situation deserves the spot.

I wouldn't dare thinking I deserve the spot, but I'd damn well take it. Not logic, but still, I want it.


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Its logical to enlist the help of noobs for a few kills to speed things up.


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Its logical to enlist the help of noobs for a few kills to speed things up.

 

This is actually kind of true. If you can crash and win 90-100% of the time, sometimes it may be more economical to crash someone than to have your own spawn.

 

And yes: An argument = if (assumptions), then (action). If I want to be efficient, then I crash. Whether or not being efficient is a logical choice depends on how you value efficiency - that's subjective, and a whole other argument.


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I understand the necessity of it sometimes, but it's still selfish. There really isn't any way you can justify it. Don't bother.


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Honestly this thread is just people that agree with the op posting logical thoughts and people that don't trolling him.

 

And having two or more people in any boss spot with both having an equal chance of getting loot is inefficient.

 

No, the original, unsolicited post was a troll, dripping with conceit from a self-styled "elitist." Every post since is just the domino effect.

 

But if we start penalizing virtual boorish, sociopathic behavior, then when will we also start punishing virtual larceny & homicide?

 

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I understand the necessity of it sometimes, but it's still selfish. There really isn't any way you can justify it. Don't bother.

 

Its not selfish. It is selfish to think everybody is an equal. It depends on how you use the spot. For example, on Tzharr tasks I will always take the spawn right outside of the bank. This is because I need to bank the Obsidian Charms. There are noobs outside who safespot and do not pick up charms. It is better for them to move one spot over.


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In real life, cutting in line, or kicking someone off the swings without waiting is bad manners. In game, not only is it allowed by Jagex, but encouraged. There is a difference. I don't crash to be a jerk, people crash me the same way if they can. However, I don't cannon people's chins, heal people DHing, or otherwise be a jerk on purpose. There is a difference.


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I cannon people's chins to see if they are bots or not.


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But in a world where most good spots are taken, sometimes we have to resort to ugly methods to get the spawns we want. In a world where almost every Bandos spawn is occupied, someone's gotta hop. Either you or me.

 

Well said. Qftmft!

 

You're playing a mmorpg, there will always be crashers. Love it or hate it, just suck it up!

All players are free to play whichever way they like (no breaking the game rules), it should be fine. There is no right or wrong.

 

I don't consider crashers to be call an elite, though.

 

I'm not a crasher myself, when most of the worlds full up, I just let them have it. Maybe... because I've been playing too long to care much being crash.

 

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And yes: An argument = if (assumptions), then (action). If I want to be efficient, then I crash. Whether or not being efficient is a logical choice depends on how you value efficiency - that's subjective, and a whole other argument.

Not so much: "If I want to be efficient, then I crash." but more: "It is efficient to crash. I want to be efficient. Therefore I crash.". I'm glad you realize it's subjective. Not to make anyone angry, but sometimes it's annoying to hear about 'logical preferences'.


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My rule is if I have to hop for more than 5-10 minutes I will take the world that I am able to crash. If I'm at a place that I know is possible to find a world easily then I will hop till I find it.


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And yes: An argument = if (assumptions), then (action). If I want to be efficient, then I crash. Whether or not being efficient is a logical choice depends on how you value efficiency - that's subjective, and a whole other argument.

Not so much: "If I want to be efficient, then I crash." but more: "It is efficient to crash. I want to be efficient. Therefore I crash.". I'm glad you realize it's subjective. Not to make anyone angry, but sometimes it's annoying to hear about 'logical preferences'.

 

It's not necessarily to efficient to crash. It would be much more efficient to just find an empty world. But more often than not, at most bosses, that's just not an available option. So I fail to see the logic in that.

 

People, the people in this thread anyways, don't crash to be d***s, so it seems. They do it because it's the only readily available option at the time, and no one wants their familiar to lose out on it's timer, or sit around for xDScimPr0x to finish his Bandos solo in a D'hide top and Rune platelegs.

 

I myself hop two or three times before I crash, because my trip won't suffer because I decide to let someone worse than me at something get drops I could be getting, regardless of who deserves them more.

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And yes: An argument = if (assumptions), then (action). If I want to be efficient, then I crash. Whether or not being efficient is a logical choice depends on how you value efficiency - that's subjective, and a whole other argument.

Not so much: "If I want to be efficient, then I crash." but more: "It is now, in this situation, efficient to crash. I want to be efficient. Therefore I crash.". I'm glad you realize it's subjective. Not to make anyone angry, but sometimes it's annoying to hear about 'logical preferences'.

 

It's not necessarily to efficient to crash. It would be much more efficient to just find an empty world. But more often than not, at most bosses, that's just not an available option. So I fail to see the logic in that.

 

People, the people in this thread anyways, don't crash to be d***s, so it seems. They do it because it's the only readily available option at the time, and no one wants their familiar to lose out on it's timer, or sit around for xDScimPr0x to finish his Bandos solo in a D'hide top and Rune platelegs.

 

I myself hop two or three times before I crash, because my trip won't suffer because I decide to let someone worse than me at something get drops I could be getting, regardless of who deserves them more.

New stuff in bold. I was just correcting/improving sseli's argument, which had crashing as an example. Nitpicker :).


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