by the sound of it, thay should simply remove the shields and get new ones.

 

it probably would be best to get rid of the efect it does, and make it just take 40lp of its strong class and 20 lp of its own class.

 

so chaotic shield hit with an arrow that would of done 100 damage hits 60 insted.

but stop its charge draining faster when soaking damage.

 

still sucks but obviusly does and maybe less so.

 

jagex almost never takes back an update. also doing so would be impossible.

So what you're saying is, instead of reporting it through the valid channels, you're going to complain until something changes about it? If that were the case, if Jagex really didn't listen to bug reports, then RS2 would still be in beta. As for your example - it only takes one request for me for my neighbors to turn down the stereo; if they ignore that, *then* the police come in. It'd have probably made more sense if you said the police were ignoring you, and not the neighbors - the deputies carry more authority than your neighbor would in this scenario. :|

 

"Suck" is subjective. The shields do offer a substantial amount of defense, and if you've got the 200K tokens lying around, it may be a valid investment for one that wouldn't mind having one. They weren't intended to outclass any of the Spirit Shield sets, and now we have concrete proof as to that they don't.

 

Naturally I would've hoped that the issue would've been fixed in the KB by now, but it's probably best, next time, if there is an error, to report it and let it be dealt with. Whining about things seldom fixes things.

What I'm saying is that I've reported this and many other things through the proper channels and gotten no response. Jagex simply does not read them. What would you like me to do after 9 years of reporting bugs and watching them not be fixed? What is your problem with my course of action? That I'm not 100% satisfied with Jagex 100% of the time when they make truly idiotic mistakes and then refuse to fix them when they're pointed out?

 

The shields suck for anyone who can get them. It's level 80 equipment and requires quite a lot of dungeoneering. Anyone who can buy them can likely access frost dragons, which means they can get a superior spectral/arcane/DFS by killing frosts faster than they can scrounge 200k tokens in most cases. Plus the better shields don't have repair costs. I just don't think you're appreciating how bad these shields are for their stated purpose, which is rebalancing the offensive power of the chaotic weapons. At that, they UTTERLY fail.

 

Whining doesn't fix it, but it does raise awareness that you really shouldn't waste your tokens on a shield that is falsely advertised in the KB as a good shield but is actually junk. That's the issue here- now that Jagex has admitted they know how the shields actually work, they're lying to people on purpose until the KB is updated.

they are simply FAIL at quality assurance / quality control

 

Bruno alone proves this. :thumbup:

Let me just remind you

 

for pvm the averaged soak reduction is at MOST 3-4% and more reasonably ~2%.

for pvp the averaged soak reduction is at MOST 4-5% and more reasonably ~3%.

 

on a rough order of approximation, this is about ~5-10 defense points worth, which alone is about the difference between SS's and dgshields. Keep in mind dgshields have low alch values, are much harder to get, are a sunk cost, have repair costs, and have negative attack bonuses. they are BAD and terribly designed.

the eagle eye kite shield is decent in the sense it gives an offensive bonus as well as good defensive bonuses. The only other shield slots that give better range, give basically nothing to defense.

Not good for general use of course, but still nice in situations like warring (which is what I have one for)

I have a farkite, and it's really a joke soaking wise- even worse than you guys think.

 

On top of this, I'm sick of how stupid JaGeX is in general

Their QA department is even worse. This game is bugged beyond repair, every update is full of bugs (except those by Mod Ash lol).

 

"Bugged beyond repair" implies that the game can't even be compiled, let alone played. Thought I'd point that out.

No, could just mean a bug that they can't easily fix. whatever, semantics.

 

No. There's a difference between a piece of software that's bugged beyond repair, and a bug that's highly elusive. It's not semantics, it's the bastardization of a very important programming concept. But time is wasted dwelling on something so trivial.

 

"Suck" is subjective. The shields do offer a substantial amount of defense, and if you've got the 200K tokens lying around, it may be a valid investment for one that wouldn't mind having one. They weren't intended to outclass any of the Spirit Shield sets, and now we have concrete proof as to that they don't.

 

Naturally I would've hoped that the issue would've been fixed in the KB by now, but it's probably best, next time, if there is an error, to report it and let it be dealt with. Whining about things seldom fixes things.

 

No. They were most likely meant to outclass SS's (exlcuding div/ely), since they were added to REBALANCE PVP (chaotic weapons are really powerful). Jagex probably failed to do the math to realize that the shields barely soak ANY damage. now we have a PVP system which is basically broken in how powerful chaotics are.

 

Jagex does NOT respond to reports (at least within a reasonable timeframe). There are SO many instances of this. i dont expect jagex to respond to my whining, but it still makes me feel better. if jagex showed that they actually responded to reports id be much more inclined to do so. they are simply FAIL at quality assurance / quality control

 

Whether or not they were intended to outclass Spirit Shields is left for another debate; I personally don't believe that they were. Less expensive alternative to an SS? Sure. Outclass? Not a chance.

 

As for the response to the influx of bug reports - not feasible. You burn man-hours and resources replying to each individual person (even having it automated); time better invested in actually fixing the darn bugs.

 

It also seems that QA gets the short end of the stick pretty often...if they truly were fail with what they did, then the game would be truly unplayable every time an update rolled around. C'mon now, let's not overgeneralize too much.

 

So what you're saying is, instead of reporting it through the valid channels, you're going to complain until something changes about it? If that were the case, if Jagex really didn't listen to bug reports, then RS2 would still be in beta. As for your example - it only takes one request for me for my neighbors to turn down the stereo; if they ignore that, *then* the police come in. It'd have probably made more sense if you said the police were ignoring you, and not the neighbors - the deputies carry more authority than your neighbor would in this scenario.

 

"Suck" is subjective. The shields do offer a substantial amount of defense, and if you've got the 200K tokens lying around, it may be a valid investment for one that wouldn't mind having one. They weren't intended to outclass any of the Spirit Shield sets, and now we have concrete proof as to that they don't.

 

Naturally I would've hoped that the issue would've been fixed in the KB by now, but it's probably best, next time, if there is an error, to report it and let it be dealt with. Whining about things seldom fixes things.

What I'm saying is that I've reported this and many other things through the proper channels and gotten no response. Jagex simply does not read them. What would you like me to do after 9 years of reporting bugs and watching them not be fixed? What is your problem with my course of action? That I'm not 100% satisfied with Jagex 100% of the time when they make truly idiotic mistakes and then refuse to fix them when they're pointed out?

 

The shields suck for anyone who can get them. It's level 80 equipment and requires quite a lot of dungeoneering. Anyone who can buy them can likely access frost dragons, which means they can get a superior spectral/arcane/DFS by killing frosts faster than they can scrounge 200k tokens in most cases. Plus the better shields don't have repair costs. I just don't think you're appreciating how bad these shields are for their stated purpose, which is rebalancing the offensive power of the chaotic weapons. At that, they UTTERLY fail.

 

Whining doesn't fix it, but it does raise awareness that you really shouldn't waste your tokens on a shield that is falsely advertised in the KB as a good shield but is actually junk. That's the issue here- now that Jagex has admitted they know how the shields actually work, they're lying to people on purpose until the KB is updated.

 

It does not follow from your logic that, if one does not reply to you, that they have not heard your comments. It could very well be the case that Jagex has read every report you've sent in, and looked at how they could fix it. Your timeline (nine years) also implies you've played the RS2 beta; it'd be pretty foolhardy to consider that bug reports weren't listened to during the *beta*.

 

Again, I say that "suck" is subjective, because it's clear that neither you nor I would find a use for the shields, but that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. In regards to them offsetting the power of the Chaotic weapons...I must say I didn't see the shields doing that to begin with. Likely a case of seeing things differently, I suppose.

 

As for the issue in the KB, we agree there at least - it should have been fixed ages ago, but it wasn't. Oh darn - report the darned error and move on.

What I'm saying is that I've reported this and many other things through the proper channels and gotten no response.

 

Jagex don't reply to bug reports.

I've sent many bug reports in and a few even got fixed with the next update, most got fixed at a later time.

Please, let's not turn this into the next RSOF...

 

Though the KB does need a rework. But who needs that when we got the Wiki, and other fansites like this one?

It does not follow from your logic that, if one does not reply to you, that they have not heard your comments. It could very well be the case that Jagex has read every report you've sent in, and looked at how they could fix it. Your timeline (nine years) also implies you've played the RS2 beta; it'd be pretty foolhardy to consider that bug reports weren't listened to during the *beta*.

 

Again, I say that "suck" is subjective, because it's clear that neither you nor I would find a use for the shields, but that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. In regards to them offsetting the power of the Chaotic weapons...I must say I didn't see the shields doing that to begin with. Likely a case of seeing things differently, I suppose.

 

As for the issue in the KB, we agree there at least - it should have been fixed ages ago, but it wasn't. Oh darn - report the darned error and move on.

My comment was poorly worded. What I mean is that, in the past, bug reports (even ones where I incited 50+ people on the forums to report the same incident) have been met with not only silence, but also go unresolved for years if at all, and never are added to the "known bugs" section of the site. They literally have no affect on Jagex's actions whatsoever- it's as if they don't even read bug reports.

 

I'm not the one who decided chaotic shields should compensate for the offensive power of chaotic weapons- that's straight from Jagex's mouth. They said it I believe in the dev blog about the new hitsplats. Take it as you will, but their stated goal with the shields was a balance to the weapons.

 

Reporting and moving on will not only do nothing, but also will keep people in the dark about the shields until they buy them. Jagex may like the idea of lying to customers, but I like it when people have the opportunity to make informed decisions, thanks.

It does not follow from your logic that, if one does not reply to you, that they have not heard your comments. It could very well be the case that Jagex has read every report you've sent in, and looked at how they could fix it. Your timeline (nine years) also implies you've played the RS2 beta; it'd be pretty foolhardy to consider that bug reports weren't listened to during the *beta*.

 

Again, I say that "suck" is subjective, because it's clear that neither you nor I would find a use for the shields, but that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. In regards to them offsetting the power of the Chaotic weapons...I must say I didn't see the shields doing that to begin with. Likely a case of seeing things differently, I suppose.

 

As for the issue in the KB, we agree there at least - it should have been fixed ages ago, but it wasn't. Oh darn - report the darned error and move on.

My comment was poorly worded. What I mean is that, in the past, bug reports (even ones where I incited 50+ people on the forums to report the same incident) have been met with not only silence, but also go unresolved for years if at all, and never are added to the "known bugs" section of the site. They literally have no affect on Jagex's actions whatsoever- it's as if they don't even read bug reports.

 

I'm not the one who decided chaotic shields should compensate for the offensive power of chaotic weapons- that's straight from Jagex's mouth. They said it I believe in the dev blog about the new hitsplats. Take it as you will, but their stated goal with the shields was a balance to the weapons.

 

Reporting and moving on will not only do nothing, but also will keep people in the dark about the shields until they buy them. Jagex may like the idea of lying to customers, but I like it when people have the opportunity to make informed decisions, thanks.

 

 

It all depends on what you report. Do not forget that Jagex only have a limited team of coders. Those will usually be fully occupied by updates. Small bugs which do not break the game will not be dealt with quickly as there is no need. It does not mean that they have not looked into it. Jagex have to prioritise, and by the size of the rants when they don't get an update out on time, they will obviously make those the priority. Non game breaking bugs will probably only be dealt with when a coder can take a look into it and has the time to fix it. Small bugs in a game of this size can be tremendously hard to find in the code and to figure out what is causing it.

 

On reporting, it does annoy me to no end when I see people posting that they find bugs but do not report them, then blast Jagex for not creating a bug-free game.

^Which is presumably what the "list of known bugs" would be for if it were kept up to date. However, their lack of updating that demonstrates that either they don't read reports or they want us to think they don't read reports because the alternative is us knowing that it's taking multiple years to do what in many cases amounts to changing a number in a spreadsheet.

Only the chaotic kiteshield stinks.

I have said since the day it was release that it needed a nice big strength bonus because dragonfire shield is better.

Farseer shield is still better and easier to obtain than arcane shield.

Eagle eye is still better and easier to obtain than spiritual shield.

Divine and Eylsian are simply better RWT tools than shields.

The best way now to cash out of RS and not loose your character if you ever want to come back is break your back over at corp and then sell it to for $$.

Jagex wants to eliminate imbalanced trades yet they create so many with limited items and the GE's limitations.

It doesn't work to fill your pouches when you have pure essences in your bank but not in your inventory. That would have speeded up runecrafting quite a bit. As it is now it does make a slight difference though, since as you say, you don't have to close/open the bank several times. But the difference is still very small, if you don't have a slow computer so you bank takes a long time to load. I use the new right-click feature while in my bank when I rc now, but I have noticed that the difference in-between using this tactic and the normal one, of closing/opening the bank, is very, very small. The difference is less than a second for me.

 

Update makes something less than a second faster:

 

"Well Jagex, it's not really that much faster, I mean it's less than a second.

 

Update makes something less than a second slower:

 

OMG JAGFLAX U R DA WERST DEVELUPRS EVAR! SHUR ITS ONLY LIEK .034 SEKUNDS LONGUR BUT BY 2024 I WILL HAEV WAESTED LIK 4 MOR MINETS DEN I SHUD HAVE! GIF ME MI LIEF BAK, JAGFLAX, GIF ME MY LIF BAK, ITZ BAD ENUFF UR ST00PID GAEM ALREDY WASTES MY TIEM.

 

Not saying you do this, swedishboy, but a lot of people do.

Farseer shield is still better and easier to obtain than arcane shield.

Eagle eye is still better and easier to obtain than spiritual shield.

Depends on your dg levels and moneymaking capacity. At 4m/hr and 13k tokens/hr, the shields are about equal. Pro dungeoneers can get 20k tokens/hr or so, so for them it would be easier to get chaotic shields, if you don't count recharge costs. If you do, and the fact that you can't sell chaotics, arcane and spectral are almost always better to obtain. Assuming you can stand moneymaking and dungeoneering equally well.

Farseer shield is still better and easier to obtain than arcane shield.

Eagle eye is still better and easier to obtain than spiritual shield.

Depends on your dg levels and moneymaking capacity. At 4m/hr and 13k tokens/hr, the shields are about equal. Pro dungeoneers can get 20k tokens/hr or so, so for them it would be easier to get chaotic shields, if you don't count recharge costs. If you do, and the fact that you can't sell chaotics, arcane and spectral are almost always better to obtain. Assuming you can stand moneymaking and dungeoneering equally well.

 

What about the large amount of players who don't have access to 4m/hr methods? Wouldn't the update then cater to this player base who don't have the GP methods to obtain a spirit shield, but high enough level to use the items?

 

Lets face it, the Dungeon shields were never designed to be a replacement for spirit shields. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wishing the shields were something they are not. They were designed to be a introduction into damage absorbing items that were not outrageously expensive for 98% of the population to obtain. Do they offset the new damage from chaotic weapons? Yes. Do they offset the chaotic damage as much as they should.. that's a different story.

 

All I'm trying to say is, the Dung shields may be useless for players who have a Divine, Elysian, or any other Spirit shield. So what? If you knew the shield was worse with 20% and 10% compared to spirit shields, why does it matter that its still worse with 14% and 7%. It's always nice to have options, and being able to choose between a DFS with a small strength bonus and a CKS with higher defense and a small absorb bonus is not a bad thing!

Only the chaotic kiteshield stinks.

I have said since the day it was release that it needed a nice big strength bonus because dragonfire shield is better.

Farseer shield is still better and easier to obtain than arcane shield.

Eagle eye is still better and easier to obtain than spiritual shield.

Divine and Eylsian are simply better RWT tools than shields.

The best way now to cash out of RS and not loose your character if you ever want to come back is break your back over at corp and then sell it to for $$.

Jagex wants to eliminate imbalanced trades yet they create so many with limited items and the GE's limitations.

 

Eagle eye has negative melee attack bonuses. The only situation where it could be better than Spectral is for range vs mage battles and armadyl, but at armadyl you're risking the EEKS. In range vs range battles CKS is better.

 

FKS is in NO way better than arcane. Even then +20 crush defense is worth more than the damage soak. Let alone the -15 loss in range defense and -3 loss in magic attack. Arcane totally outclasses FKS.

 

OT: If Jagex responds to reports, can someone please tell my why the KB has been wrong for several months now WRT dungeoneering items? ALl it needs is a small text change, and they couldn't even do that.

 

All I'm trying to say is, the Dung shields may be useless for players who have a Divine, Elysian, or any other Spirit shield. So what? If you knew the shield was worse with 20% and 10% compared to spirit shields, why does it matter that its still worse with 14% and 7%. It's always nice to have options, and being able to choose between a DFS with a small strength bonus and a CKS with higher defense and a small absorb bonus is not a bad thing!

 

The point is that if they actually soaked like the KB stated, they would be much much better than SS's, even ely's.

OT: If Jagex responds to reports, can someone please tell my why the KB has been wrong for several months now WRT dungeoneering items? ALl it needs is a small text change, and they couldn't even do that.

 

Because the customer service team doesn't talk to the website team, so simple changes are incredibly difficult when reported.

OT: If Jagex responds to reports, can someone please tell my why the KB has been wrong for several months now WRT dungeoneering items? ALl it needs is a small text change, and they couldn't even do that.

 

Because the customer service team doesn't talk to the website team, so simple changes are incredibly difficult when reported.

 

May not be a programming fail, but still a large problem jagex SHOULD deal with.

Well, I will add something positive about this weeks update:

 

 

The new gas mask looks AWESOME

OT: If Jagex responds to reports, can someone please tell my why the KB has been wrong for several months now WRT dungeoneering items? ALl it needs is a small text change, and they couldn't even do that.

 

Because the customer service team doesn't talk to the website team, so simple changes are incredibly difficult when reported.

 

Then maybe they should talk to one another o.O I still agree with the people doing the math, the damage soak is negligible. I hope they nerf them, maybe have them do what the KB said in the first place? Make it a flat reduction, if only on hits over 200. Not on the DAMAGE over 200.

 

And yeah, like the gas mask :D

Tried out the new bank for rc? And I love it! So much smoother. :D What's with the bank icon on that equip screen though? Looks like it came straight outta RSC. :P

 

Eagle eye has negative melee attack bonuses. The only situation where it could be better than Spectral is for range vs mage battles and armadyl, but at armadyl you're risking the EEKS. In range vs range battles CKS is better.

 

Congratulations!!! You've dicovered what the Eagle eye shield is meant to be used for =D> (range vs mage)

The eagle eye is a good shield because it also gives a range offensive, the only other shields that do that are books, which give little to no defense.

I got an Eagle Eye for warring, since I range during wars, and as far as damage taken is concerned, I've noticed no difference from when I used a spectral. However, that small range boost moved me from rarely missing, to never missing.

 

I do agree with the Arcane vs Farseer though.

The point is that if they actually soaked like the KB stated, they would be much much better than SS's, even ely's.

 

But they don't, and like stated they were most likely never meant to be better the SS's absorbing power.

 

What's with the bank icon on that equip screen though? Looks like it came straight outta RSC. :P

 

I agree, looks really retro. like they didn't have enough time to finish the icon for the button. :P

What about the large amount of players who don't have access to 4m/hr methods? Wouldn't the update then cater to this player base who don't have the GP methods to obtain a spirit shield, but high enough level to use the items?

If you don't have access to that kind of moneymaking, you probably don't have access to that kind of dungeoneering tokens either. Frost Dragons at 85 dung and whatnot.

Eagle eye has negative melee attack bonuses. The only situation where it could be better than Spectral is for range vs mage battles and armadyl, but at armadyl you're risking the EEKS. In range vs range battles CKS is better.

If you wear arma and eagle eye and you want to melee you use a clong, you don't use a whip or crapier.

You can be very potent in that setup and such people give me problems all the time when I mage at soul wars.

But most people are sheep so its crapier, bandos, and some translucent shield, which means easy pickins as they try to kill the stupid avatar or even try to man up to me.

 

FKS is in NO way better than arcane. Even then +20 crush defense is worth more than the damage soak. Let alone the -15 loss in range defense and -3 loss in magic attack. Arcane totally outclasses FKS.

YES way....

Arcane shield advantages aren't great:

 

+3 magic attack (not very meaningful if you wear proper mage gear)

+20 crush defense (who cares if your maging somebody with a cmaul your gonna flip sol special anyway and thats about the only weapon people use with crush that is tier 1)

+3 prayer (I doubt you would notice it unless that the only prayer bonus you have)

0 range penalty (you range with it? why its for maging? Much better shields for that)

 

Arcane shields disadvantages are very significant:

 

No damage soak (this is significant because it stops the big hit ko's, I can't ever remember being koed on hit more than 200, probably because they coded it up wrong and apply the damage soak before figuring out if your dead or not)

worth 67mil more (huge waste of time making the money to buy or getting on a drop, 4mil/gp an hr is a myth)