What's the use in making a fun game if you end up bankrupt? I mean profit should be the priority #1, once your company makes a profit, then you have the freedom to explore different avenues.

And Jagex IS making a profit, hence why they're focusing on making the Free game and Members expansion pack more fun.

What's the use in making a fun game if you end up bankrupt? I mean profit should be the priority #1, once your company makes a profit, then you have the freedom to explore different avenues.

 

If they don't make it fun, they will go bankrupt anyway. There should be a healthy balance between the 2. This is why, I believe, they keep F2P around. Apart from the potential to bring in new players who may or may not eventually pay directly, instead of indirectly.

I guess I didn't explained myself properly.

 

 

 

The first priority of any business is to make a profit or at least break even. In the case of Jagex, they have to make a fun game in order to make a profit.

 

 

 

In fact, reading back some of your posts, I think I misunderstand what you mean when you say fun > profit in relation to Jagex. Especially since you mentionned that in the same post when mentionning they removed the P2P teasers from F2P.

 

 

 

Just an aside there, do you find the game more fun because they removed those teasers?

I guess I didn't explained myself properly.

 

 

 

The first priority of any business is to make a profit or at least break even. In the case of Jagex, they have to make a fun game in order to make a profit.

 

 

 

In fact, reading back some of your posts, I think I misunderstand what you mean when you say fun > profit in relation to Jagex. Especially since you mentionned that in the same post when mentionning they removed the P2P teasers from F2P.

 

 

 

Just an aside there, do you find the game more fun because they removed those teasers?

 

 

 

Definitely. When I see some mysterious option, I always click it out of curiousity, just to find that: "You may only do this on a member's world."

 

 

 

It's like Jagex is sneering at you and saying: "Come to the member's world! It's so much better! F2P sucks!"

Well, it is better. I used to have the opposite feeling as you though. I always wanted to see what was on the other side of the door leading to taverly and thieving farmers was something I was eager to try.

 

 

 

Let me tell you those were the first things I tried when I became members because I had been exposed to these teasers for so long (meh...4 months).

I've never been overly interested in the actual function of most members-only options in free worlds. And after 7 years or so, off and on, I grew accustomed to having them. I wouldn't really say more FUN, however, I find the game more enjoyable, overall, without them.

 

 

 

And so we misunderstood each other, you think? I would agree to that. In fact, it looks as though we pretty much agree on the whole thing, but just worded it differently. The game needs to be FUN, both versions, or else they lose potential PROFIT. So in that way, Fun > Profit. But they need money to keep the game going strong, so Profit > Fun. This is why I believe Fun = Profit or close to it.

Yeah I was definitely going in another direction when we started arguying about the fun-profit debate when I realised we were not debating the same concept. Jagex definitely need to make both their games fun in order to generate profit.

 

 

 

The way I see it: F2P needs to be fun enough to attract new players and P2P needs to be even more fun to lure F2Pers in getting memberships.

Yeah, I fully agree with how you put it. As long as they are making the game fun, the rest will take care of itself.

Yes, and yet another reason why f2p has to be fun.

 

 

 

Most people want to switch to members' only at a reasonable level (maybe total level 1000, combat 70-80?). I don't know, since I don't ever plan on switching to members. They're just rough estimates.

 

 

 

So, if the game is too boring, they might quit halfway, and Jagex might lose a potential customer. Maybe Jagex has started to realise that, and is trying to put in more f2p content for mid-levels (60-70), just to let them enjoy it and continue training until they decide to switch to members. Some examples are FoG Battle Robes, the rumour of the new f2p quest, and a new f2p skill.

 

 

 

However, this is just a hypothesis - I might be wrong.

The skill capes have been told to be f2p during 2009 or maybe early 2010. And at that time I'm gonna get my capes :D :D

I think f2p range and mage should be updated.

 

Give f2p the abililty to use magic shortbows and longbows. This way, range will actually be useful. And give mages the ability to use snare and the wave spells. That way, the mage's max hit will at least be a somewhat respectable 20.

Now that pre paid cards have been added to the plethera of ways to become a member, I see no reason to be f2p. $22 for 90 days of membership may be a tad more but it eliminates the problem of not having a creditcard. Don't give the excuse of not having the money, anyone who has a computer should be able to round up 20 bucks every 3 months.

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

 

 

Honestly, it's stupid to pay for a VIRTUAL thing that you can't sell or anything. All it can do is let you have fun. And f2p is already fun enough. So what's the point of membership, honestly.

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

 

 

Honestly, it's stupid to pay for a VIRTUAL thing that you can't sell or anything. All it can do is let you have fun. And f2p is already fun enough. So what's the point of membership, honestly.

 

 

 

To have MORE fun.

 

 

 

After all, you can't exactly freeze ancient overpowered ghosts to death and steal their armor on F2P. And that's one thing I enjoy doing.

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

 

 

Honestly, it's stupid to pay for a VIRTUAL thing that you can't sell or anything. All it can do is let you have fun. And f2p is already fun enough. So what's the point of membership, honestly.

 

 

 

To have MORE fun.

 

 

 

After all, you can't exactly freeze ancient overpowered ghosts to death and steal their armor on F2P. And that's one thing I enjoy doing.

 

 

 

Fun is a subjective term.

 

 

 

Most people subscribe to members to have more fun. But what's the point, honestly? Grinding at skills more quickly, doing more repetitive and quests with storylines I couldn't care less about, playing minigames which are probably full of freeloaders, unfairness and annoying people?

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

 

 

Honestly, it's stupid to pay for a VIRTUAL thing that you can't sell or anything. All it can do is let you have fun. And f2p is already fun enough. So what's the point of membership, honestly.

 

 

 

To have MORE fun.

 

 

 

After all, you can't exactly freeze ancient overpowered ghosts to death and steal their armor on F2P. And that's one thing I enjoy doing.

 

 

 

Fun is a subjective term.

 

 

 

Most people subscribe to members to have more fun. But what's the point, honestly? Grinding at skills more quickly, doing more repetitive and quests with storylines I couldn't care less about, playing minigames which are probably full of freeloaders, unfairness and annoying people?

 

 

 

You nailed it when you said that fun is a subjective term.

 

 

 

I think that member's is more fun, thus, I pay for more fun. You don't, and so you don't pay for it because you don't think it's as much fun.

The money is rarely the actual problem. Same with the payment methods in the countries most focused on. For younger players, it is often permission. Older players usually don't play enough to justify it. Then there are those who just don't want the extras badly enough to pay.

 

 

 

But this thread is not about memberships. It is about things that free players want.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

 

 

Honestly, it's stupid to pay for a VIRTUAL thing that you can't sell or anything. All it can do is let you have fun. And f2p is already fun enough. So what's the point of membership, honestly.

 

 

 

To have MORE fun.

 

 

 

After all, you can't exactly freeze ancient overpowered ghosts to death and steal their armor on F2P. And that's one thing I enjoy doing.

 

 

 

Fun is a subjective term.

 

 

 

Most people subscribe to members to have more fun. But what's the point, honestly? Grinding at skills more quickly, doing more repetitive and quests with storylines I couldn't care less about, playing minigames which are probably full of freeloaders, unfairness and annoying people?

 

 

 

You nailed it when you said that fun is a subjective term.

 

 

 

I think that member's is more fun, thus, I pay for more fun. You don't, and so you don't pay for it because you don't think it's as much fun.

 

 

 

:thumbup: +1

 

 

 

All these stuff are based on opinions. Many of the rants fail because there's no substantial evidence, just opinions.

The skill capes have been told to be f2p during 2009 or maybe early 2010. And at that time I'm gonna get my capes :D :D

 

 

 

where was this written :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

 

 

its jst too good to be true haha

The skill capes have been told to be f2p during 2009 or maybe early 2010. And at that time I'm gonna get my capes :D :D

 

 

 

where was this written :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

 

 

its jst too good to be true haha

 

 

 

I think this is still at the rumor stage.

The skill capes have been told to be f2p during 2009 or maybe early 2010. And at that time I'm gonna get my capes :D :D

 

 

 

where was this written :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

 

 

its jst too good to be true haha

 

 

 

I think this is still at the rumor stage.

 

 

 

I think that too. Almost everyone in F2P will work too hard to get an F2P cape, and not care about the rest of the stuff that Runescape has.

The skill capes have been told to be f2p during 2009 or maybe early 2010. And at that time I'm gonna get my capes :D :D

 

 

 

where was this written :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

 

 

its jst too good to be true haha

 

 

 

I think this is still at the rumor stage.

 

 

 

I think that too. Almost everyone in F2P will work too hard to get an F2P cape, and not care about the rest of the stuff that Runescape has.

 

 

 

Yeah. This is one of the worst disadvantages of skillcapes. They cause people to become addicted to grinding skills to try and get the ultimate sign of accomplishment - skillcapes.

But you gotta admit, it's a great way for Jagex to get people playing their game. Even if it's only for a year and then mostly everyone would have a 99.

But you gotta admit, it's a great way for Jagex to get people playing their game. Even if it's only for a year and then mostly everyone would have a 99.

 

 

 

True. But I don't think they really want people to become addicted to the game...or do they? ;)