zoth01 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I found a problem: -Laptop users that don't have numlock have to use FN to make the mouse keys work. The deal is that the keys are in the places far distant from it. Down is K, up is 8, etc, making it impossible to reach with one hand. I looked in the internet and found a j mod saying: but since the program I require does other stuff besides that, I decided to ask for advice. Here's the program features: -Automate almost anything by sending keystrokes and mouse clicks. You can write a mouse or keyboard macro by hand or use the macro recorder.-Create hotkeys for keyboard, joystick, and mouse. Virtually any key, button, or combination can become a hotkey.-Expand abbreviations as you type them. For example, typing "btw" can automatically produce "by the way".-Remap keys and buttons on your keyboard, joystick, and mouse. I would only be using the last option. I'm concerned though that the program, while having other functionalities, flag me as a third-party program user in jagex detection system, because of what this j mod said: So, can I get in troubles if I use it :blink: ? Ps: I know that mouse keys are legal, my concern is about a remapping program, consider that when posting, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 AHK can be used to remap keys. I actually have my f keys remapped to be close to my arrow keys for ease-of-access. There's no possible way for Jagex to detect that you're doing anything out of the norm. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 You're talking of auto hotkey? That program is under extremely controversial debate as it stands and you probably won't get a 100% correct answer. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a program called ControlMK to remap my xbox controller to click, move the mouse, and arrow keys for nearly two years.And nothing has come of it. I actually prefer the controller to browse the web and I can't use my arrow keys anymore because I'm used to having one hand on my controller while I play. What happened to "1in for 1out" they had going on about? Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoth01 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 AHK can be used to remap keys. I actually have my f keys remapped to be close to my arrow keys for ease-of-access. There's no possible way for Jagex to detect that you're doing anything out of the norm. I will look into it. Deal is as you can see by that Jmod post, they can detect you're using an accessibility program, so they probably can detect remapping ( just guessing) You're talking of auto hotkey? That program is under extremely controversial debate as it stands and you probably won't get a 100% correct answer. Yeah, autokey, I understand why. Just bugs me not to know if there's a legal way to remap keybinds while having sure I won't get flagged as a rule breaker. People in laptops should be able to mouse key aswell right :wall: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 They say as long as it's on a 1:1 input to output ratio it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Autohotkey is also fine if used correctly. The only idiots who might have a problem with programs like autohotkey are certain mods here. I'm pretty sure they're just mad for other reasons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 What would you need to do with a java applet to be able to detect remapped keys, anyway? Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Autohotkey is also fine if used correctly. The only idiots who might have a problem with programs like autohotkey are certain mods here. I'm pretty sure they're just mad for other reasons though.Excuse me? 1 input (keystroke, mouseclick, mousemove) must be one action, no more. Moving and clicking are separate actions. Moving to a predefined spot is not allowed (you can't do that with a mouse normally (that is you can but you need to guide it all the way)). Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Autohotkey is also fine if used correctly. The only idiots who might have a problem with programs like autohotkey are certain mods here. I'm pretty sure they're just mad for other reasons though.Excuse me? 1 input (keystroke, mouseclick, mousemove) must be one action, no more. Moving and clicking are separate actions. Moving to a predefined spot is not allowed (you can't do that with a mouse normally (that is you can but you need to guide it all the way)). 4646Mouse can jump between 2 specific points with mousekeys. Your point of moving to a predefined spot is null. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Mage Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Autohotkey is also fine if used correctly. The only idiots who might have a problem with programs like autohotkey are certain mods here. I'm pretty sure they're just mad for other reasons though.Excuse me? 1 input (keystroke, mouseclick, mousemove) must be one action, no more. Moving and clicking are separate actions. Moving to a predefined spot is not allowed (you can't do that with a mouse normally (that is you can but you need to guide it all the way)). 4646Mouse can jump between 2 specific points with mousekeys. Your point of moving to a predefined spot is null. Touch screens can also move to a defined spot with no movement in between. You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 The 4 and 6 keys do not store predifined positions. You simply misunderstand my sentence. @ Touchscreens: yes, but you still got to move your hand right? Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoth01 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Since autohotkey seems so controversiable, tried this one, but having to reboot windows everytime I want to do some bolts seems a bit annoying, and the controller one can't be used because I need the hand to press FN key in keyboard :wall: Will appreciate any suggestions that work in this situation, thanks :pray: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Since autohotkey seems so controversiable, tried this one, but having to reboot windows everytime I want to do some bolts seems a bit annoying, and the controller one can't be used because I need the hand to press FN key in keyboard :wall: Will appreciate any suggestions that work in this situation, thanks :pray: 1. Buy a small paper weight.2. Set the paper weight on the fn key.3. ????4. Profit! Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoth01 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Since autohotkey seems so controversiable, tried this one, but having to reboot windows everytime I want to do some bolts seems a bit annoying, and the controller one can't be used because I need the hand to press FN key in keyboard :wall: Will appreciate any suggestions that work in this situation, thanks :pray: 1. Buy a small paper weight.2. Set the paper weight on the fn key.3. ????4. Profit! Try it for half an hour and then tell me how's your wrist ;) Don't assume I didn't try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Since autohotkey seems so controversiable, tried this one, but having to reboot windows everytime I want to do some bolts seems a bit annoying, and the controller one can't be used because I need the hand to press FN key in keyboard :wall: Will appreciate any suggestions that work in this situation, thanks :pray: 1. Buy a small paper weight.2. Set the paper weight on the fn key.3. ????4. Profit! Try it for half an hour and then tell me how's your wrist ;) Don't assume I didn't try that. I meant to free up your hand to use the controller one... Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose No Hope Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 AHK is fine as long as you keep it to the 1 input:1 output [hide]unbinding green's kidneys for ltk's heartdo you farm guam like me sir ltk[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_am_Not Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ?they don't ban anybody so i don't see why this would be a problem lol If you quote me please be sure to note that I'm extremely mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Autohotkey is also fine if used correctly. The only idiots who might have a problem with programs like autohotkey are certain mods here. I'm pretty sure they're just mad for other reasons though.Excuse me? 1 input (keystroke, mouseclick, mousemove) must be one action, no more. Moving and clicking are separate actions. Moving to a predefined spot is not allowed (you can't do that with a mouse normally (that is you can but you need to guide it all the way)). I confirmed from a j mod ages ago that moving to a predefined spot is in a sort of grey area. For example if you used a touchsceen you would be able to do it, so doing that using AHK isn't as bad as it once was. AHK isn't explicitly legal (third party program), but neither were mousekeys and swiftkit at one time. Even using Skype to dung is an unendorsed use of a third party software for Runescape. When those two weren't legal nobody got really got banned for using them and they eventually became legal. Furthermore Jagex detection systems won't pick up on AHK, at least not to my knowledge. The most important rule to follow is that one movement IRL must equal one action in game. So no loops on any scripts you create. Lets say you want to remap something that is 4 mouse movements/clicks (fletching bolts) to the first six F keys, it would need to look like this; F1=click spot 1F2=move to spot 2F3=click spot 2F4=move to spot 1 Of course as script it would look different but this is a basic summery of what you would have that would be legal. The 1:1 rule is the most important rule when creating scripts. It's not the type of thing you would ever get banned for anyways, strangely what I found out from the same J mod is that it is not allowed to to remap something to your mousewheel. Edit: It also depends on which J Mod you ask. The community mods (Timbo) who don't understand these things will say they are illegal. More metagame savvy mods (Kathy) will tell you that they are fine. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyw3000 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I've been using a simple program called Keytweak for the last year. It's perfectly within the rules and Jagex can't detect remapped keys anyway. Since autohotkey seems so controversiable, tried this one, but having to reboot windows everytime I want to do some bolts seems a bit annoying, and the controller one can't be used because I need the hand to press FN key in keyboard :wall: Will appreciate any suggestions that work in this situation, thanks :pray: 1. Buy a small paper weight.2. Set the paper weight on the fn key.3. ????4. Profit! Try it for half an hour and then tell me how's your wrist ;) Don't assume I didn't try that. I meant to free up your hand to use the controller one... it's possible to invert the FN key function by changing it in the (BIOS(?)) screen. i did that so now the F keys work as they should instead of changing the volume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 You can also remap keys via editing the registry... So I don't really see how they can say its illegal.What about users of linux? You can do anything you can think of there. They can't say remapping keys is illegal, less they say "you can't change your mouse dpi and you can only play the game under windows 7 sp1!" Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ags_K0 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 The obvious solution would be to buy a keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose No Hope Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 The obvious solution would be to buy a keyboard.Are you a troll or just an idiot?Try reading the actual post next time... [hide]unbinding green's kidneys for ltk's heartdo you farm guam like me sir ltk[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ags_K0 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 The obvious solution would be to buy a keyboard.Are you a troll or just an idiot?Try reading the actual post next time...Nice options, but neither. I merely pointed out an alternative solution to his 'problem'. JaGex is likely to tell you that AHK for remapping keys is not permitted, although no unfair advantage would be created. It depends: The OP could abide by the rules and purchase a keyboard, or he could act on a decision with inconsistent/contradictory advice from different moderators/Jagex moderators. The choice is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You... don't know what mousekeys are, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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