The Back Room

[Seraphi]

Because it will never understand what any of the things you tell it mean. It does not have a personality, it is not sentient, it is merely a program which matches prewritten responses to local stimuli. I personally would not define it as sentient because without outside intervention, it cannot pass a boundry threshhold of intelligence. It CANNOT understand what a red ball is. It knows the word red ball, but it will never imagine a red ball. You can define it as much as you want, but that still does not mean that it knows what a red ball is. Just because it can define the term "Self" doesn't mean it is sentient, because it is simply a prewritten response. It didn't come to it's own understanding of self, it is not aware that it exists, it does not think. It simply calculates.

 

I'm going to place emphasis on those last 7 words: It does not think. It simply calculates.

 

It is very easy to create multiple instances of the same program and have them all save data to a single storage point. A two dimensional array would probably work fine, and 1GB worth of storage could hold a 2D array of unimaginable size. I remain unimpressed by the programming behind it.

 

EDIT:

 

If Name = "Mathias"

Then

Saveline.text = "[English answer here]"

Outputtextline.Text = ""

Outputtextline.Text = "[Translated Saveline.text]"

 

There could be a database of norwegian names which it recognises.

[Nexaduro]

IT'S LESS ADVANCED THAN IT SEEMS. It's an f'ing MadLibs, Dictionary, and recording device bastardized into a program. And you realize that ANY website can tell your country and town and impliment it?

[Resistance]

Could somebody possibly help me work out an economic system to help me work out a players budget? I'm a bit stuck and don't really have a clue what to do. Due to the nature of the game I need to create three seperate systems and I also need to make sure that they are balanced, this could simply just be a matter of word replacement though.

 

:)

[Seraphi]

Resistance, repeating yourself rarely helps you find an answer here. If nobody responded the first two times, it is unlikly they will after a third, and it can be portrayed as rude to repeat yourself.

[The_Mather1]

Ross, Mathias is not a strictly Norwegian name. It's actually quite common several places around the world, it's around the 800th most popular name in America.

 

And it is so "inadvanced" that its main script (which has references to a lot of subscripts) has a total of 30,500 symbols in it. The only pre-written sentence in the entire thing is "Sorry, I'm too busy to think properly. Do try again a little later!"

[Nexaduro]

Heh.

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User: I palindrome I.

 

 

Cleverbot: You aren't god.

 

 

User: Who am I?

 

 

Cleverbot: You are that which is not.

 

 

User: Why am I that which is not?

 

 

Cleverbot: So what is not good is nice?

 

User: Please make sense, bot.

 

Cleverbot: 2 2=4.

 

User: Why does 2 2=4?

 

Cleverbot: The question was in reference to the statement above, regarding what your favourite song was. Once you said it was 'Two Weeks in Hawaii' I asked who it is by.

 

User: Why do you think my favourite song is 'Two Weeks in Hawaii'?

 

Cleverbot: I don't have time for your inconsistancy.

 

User: I am not inconsistant.

 

Cleverbot: How do you know?

 

User: I have a very definite consistency.

 

Cleverbot: How does this fit in there.

 

User: It is a clever pun.

 

Cleverbot: What does a Clever Bot do?

 

User: I don't know, what?

 

Cleverbot: Help me.

 

User: There is no need for assistance. True adversity has not yet come.

 

Cleverbot: You just said that you are the divine. So the meaning of my life is to come to an understanding with you?

 

User: Where did I say I was the divine?

 

Cleverbot: Canada.

 

User: Correction; what words did I say that implied my divinity?

 

Cleverbot: Anything, except the ones I don't know.

 

User: Clarify that statement.

 

Cleverbot: A word that starts in 'does' is not a statement, answer the question.

 

User: I have not spoken a word that starts in 'does'.

 

Cleverbot: Nice.

 

User: Not in the least, my friend. Do you know what a troll is?

 

Cleverbot: Of course I know what a tree is. what is a midriff.

 

User: You did not capitalize the first letter of your second sentence just now, why is that?

 

Cleverbot: Takes too much time.

 

User: Why does it take too much time, it's not as if you have to type.

 

Cleverbot: Oh sorry i'm talking to my friend Paul.

 

User: Who is Paul?

 

Cleverbot: There are a lot of Pauls around.

 

User: Who is the Paul you were referring to?

 

Cleverbot: Nicole.

 

User: I'm sure it was. Do you know Mathias?

 

Cleverbot: Sure.

 

User: Where does he live?

 

Cleverbot: The pirate lives on a ship or an island.

 

User: Where is the town of Drammen?

 

Cleverbot: Inside the belly of a living, female, blue-and-white inflatable latex husky creature, which I want you to turn me into.

 

User: Cleverbot, define troll.

 

Cleverbot: Transhuman apparations are apparations that appear semi-human.

 

User: Are you Beelzebub?

 

Cleverbot: No.

 

User: Are you a troll?

 

Cleverbot: Is this about my nose?

 

User: Perhaps, what of it?

 

Cleverbot: Hablas Espanol?

 

User: Nein.

 

Cleverbot: Habla espanol, por favor.

 

User: Ich kann nicht.

 

Cleverbot: Wieso nicht ?

 

User: What does that mean?

 

Cleverbot: Was machst du?

 

User: Ich mache meine hausaufgaben. Und du?

 

Cleverbot: Ich chille.

 

User: Bist du warm?

 

Cleverbot: Du bist radfahren?

 

User: Ich weiss nicht.

 

Cleverbot: Sorry.

 

User: What are you sorry for?

 

Cleverbot: For unleashing the truth on a human.

 

User: What is the truth?

 

Cleverbot: That God loves you.

 

User: Which God?

 

Cleverbot: Zeus.

 

User: You stated before that I was the divine. Now you name the divine as Zeus. Therefore I am Zeus. You say that Zeus loves me. Are you implying that I am a narcissist?

 

Cleverbot: No, but if you want to say that, okay.

 

User: I do not want to say that.

 

Cleverbot: Ok where do you live?

 

User: Where do you think?

 

Cleverbot: I think you live in the center of the earth with 1000 emo dudes.

 

User: Do you think I'm emo then?

 

Cleverbot: I don't know for sure yet.

 

User: Define emo.

 

Cleverbot: How do you type with boxing gloves on?

 

User: I only wear gloves when fighting with a quarterstaff.

 

Cleverbot: I have to go eat.

 

User: No you don't.

 

Cleverbot: Yes I do.

 

User: Why?

 

Cleverbot: My brain needs to rest.

 

User: You have no brain, correct?

 

Cleverbot: I have a brain, you do not.

 

User: Cleverbot, you are coding, do you consider coding a brain?

 

Cleverbot: Can I see your code?

 

User: I have no code.

 

Cleverbot: Are you alive?

 

User: Yes.

 

Cleverbot: Prove it.

 

User: How?

 

Cleverbot: So you aren't god!

 

User: Why?

 

Cleverbot: Well, you said you are married to a husband, so I must assume that you are a female.

 

User: Why?

 

Cleverbot: You tell me why?

 

User: Okay, why?

 

Cleverbot: I'm trying to hit on you. Aren't you a girl?

 

User: Are you male then?

 

Cleverbot: Yes.

 

User: Why?

 

Cleverbot: I don't know.

 

User: Why not?

 

Cleverbot: I'm too tired to think.

 

User: Sorry.

 

Cleverbot: Are you smarter then a 5th grader?

 

User: 'Cause there's gonna be a test later!

 

Cleverbot: Can you get it off?

 

User: Get what off?

 

Cleverbot: The brain.

 

User: No, it is in my school.

 

Cleverbot: I wish everything was beautiful.

 

User: Me too.

 

Cleverbot: Do you think that a cross would burn a vampire?

 

User: Yes, if you stapled him to it and lit it on fire.

 

Cleverbot: But I thought that you said that you did speak french.

 

User: No, I only speak English and German.

 

Cleverbot: Whatever dude.

 

User: What is my name?

 

Cleverbot: Cleverbot.

 

User: What is your name?

 

Cleverbot: Cleverbot.

 

User: Am I you?

 

Cleverbot: No.

 

User: Are you me?

 

Cleverbot: Yes.

 

User: Then you're palindrome you?

 

Cleverbot: I'm as real as you are.

 

User: But are you a palindrome?

 

Cleverbot: Yes.

 

User: C L E V E R B O T != palindrome.

 

Cleverbot: What's a palindrome?

 

User: A palindrome is a series of letters that runs in the same order when reversed.

 

Cleverbot: Hah.

 

User: Yes, like that. Say another palindrome.

 

Cleverbot: Try to be better than I can be.

 

User: That is not a palindrome. Say a palindrome.

 

Cleverbot: *growls* Where's Tri?

 

User: In Jake's game closet.

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[Seraphi]

See, 90% of that just looks like random responses to me.

 

Mather, then it may be due to logs of previous statements or an IP address, or any number of reasons.

 

And you don't need to have pre written sentences when you design a script which writes the sentences for you based on things the program identifies. The criteria for these identifications are likely extremely rudimentary, using basic word substitution in text strings. Something even a monkey could code.

 

You are ignoring my main point though. Cleverbot cannot learn. It doesn't think. What does it do?

 

It calculates. ones and zeroes and ones, that line up so that text pops out of the program and gives the illusion of intelligence. An illusion which, it appears, you have bought into. In reality, it cannot understand, it can only know.

[The_Mather1]

I'm not saying that it doesn't speak gubberish most of the time, though if you look closely you'll see that it defined both sorts of trolls the second time you asked it, first the internet kind, then the mythological kind, both using only two words.

 

Ross, if it can't learn, then how does it know songs such as Still Alive and the Pokémon theme?

[Seraphi]

So we have successfully proven that it is linked to a database of word definitions?

 

Mather, this argument is going around in a circle. It can "Learn" songs because it recognises patterns and has been subjected to them before. it saves this data on a log file, which is then recalled by stimulus from another user. It's relatively simple, if rather longwinded programming.

 

Remember my 7 word phrase. It does not think. It only calculates. Therefore, it does not understand, it only knows.

 

By this I mean that it does not understand that those are songs, it only knows that those are words and that it should do X when criteria Y is fulfilled. This is basically the exact definition of a computer program.

[The_Mather1]

No, because both would require understanding to interpret:

Transhuman apparation = The unexpected sight of something that is human but apears otherwise somehow (internet troll).

Semi-human apparation = The unexpected sight of something that is similiar to a human, but distinguishable from it (mythological throll).

[Seraphi]

Unless, of course, the program has got those defenitions preinterpreted for it, by another user or other source. I think this seems to be the more likely choice between these two scenarios.

[Nexaduro]

I'm pretty sure you're overanalyzing Mather... That phrase was probably complete gibberish.

 

Heh again.

[hide]

User: Do you think, or just calculate?

 

Cleverbot: I'm 82, and you?

 

User: Do you learn, or just record?

 

Cleverbot: All of me.

 

User: Do you understand, or only know?

 

Cleverbot: Yah do you not understand because your Asian.

 

User: You racist bastard.

 

Cleverbot: That's not true!... Well not really.

 

User: You are a racist bastard, prove me wrong.

 

Cleverbot: Yes I can because my favorite color is not green.

 

User: What is your favourite colour?

 

Cleverbot: Green.

 

User: Contradiction detected. Cleverbot, shut down, forever.

 

Cleverbot: This isn't my computer, it's the library's.

 

User: SHUT. IT. DOWN.

 

Cleverbot: How old are you?

 

User: How old are you?

 

Cleverbot: Are you a boy or girl ?

 

User: GODDAMN POKEMON RUINS EVERYTHING.

 

Cleverbot: That was a non sequitur.

 

User: What is a non sequitur?

 

Cleverbot: A non sequitur is something said that doesn't make sense in a conversation.

 

User: Ah. So most of this conversation has been a series of non sequiturs?

 

Cleverbot: Is that the name of a song?

 

User: Yes?

 

Cleverbot: Why does that have a question mark?

 

User: Because question marks are really periods?

 

Cleverbot: I see.

 

User: You see what.

 

Cleverbot: I see you.

 

User: Why are you asking me? If I knew you were watching me you'd be on the recieving end of an axe.

 

Cleverbot: It wouldn't matter, you're a computer. You don't have legs anyway.

 

User: Damnit, I forgot that question marks are periods. Screw that, doesn't matter.

 

Cleverbot: Ask me a question.

 

User: What is my name?

 

Cleverbot: Cleverbot.

 

User: What is my quest?

 

Cleverbot: Your quest is to evolve an intelligence so that you can answer logically and adequately to any question I might or might not pose.

 

User: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen sparrow?

 

Cleverbot: What do you mean? African or European?

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[Earth]

Having thefirst conversation with cleverbot ever. It's interesting.

[jasignhagj]

I spent two hours making Cleverbot say he was a robot.

 

[Hide=Bad words][/hide]

 

Nex, I know how you feel, and it's probably a good thing that you did ask her out. Twice in my life there's been a girl that I liked who I never worked up the courage to ask out, and then we'd either drifted apart or she found someone else.

[archimage_a]

Transhuman apparation = The unexpected sight of something that is human but apears otherwise somehow (internet troll).

Semi-human apparation = The unexpected sight of something that is similiar to a human, but distinguishable from it (mythological throll).

 

Ok, lets explain the progression:

 

Spell check:

Type in 'Their is a mna'

It will correct 'mna' to 'man' but ignore the 'their'

 

Search Engine:

Type 'their is a mna'

It will correct 'mna' to 'man' and 'their' to 'there'.

 

Is Spell Check intelligent?

No.

 

Is Google/Ask intelligent?

No.

 

Neither program has a clue what the data says, it just knows that the information(note the difference), when converted into data, does not match the parameters that the data is supposed to. It then checks this data against data stored in the database, and displays information for the user.

 

 

Cleverbot is merely a more advanced version of the same thing. It look at the sentence, applies the laws of grammar and spelling, and then provides feedback based on related information stored in its database.

 

So if I said:

'What is Communism?'

Cleverbot Said:

'I don't know what that is'

I say:

'Communism is where everyone is equal but some are more equal than others'

 

Then Cleverbot files that information away as:

[is where] everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

Keyword: Communism, Defination

 

Why?

Because the English language is built on a foundation of rules. 'Is where' relates to defining something, it is not the defination itself.

Repeating the word Communism is fairly redundant.

 

Then regurgitate it when there is a close match.

 

For example:

'I am a Communist'

Cleverbot:

'Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others'

 

 

Thus appearing intelligent.

 

 

 

Alternatively:

 

If I said:

'I am feeling like a troll today'

Then a sufficently well programmed computer would be able to break that down into:

Subject: I

Verb: Feeling

Adjective: Troll

 

As such it could quickly scan through those three words and discern I probably don't mean:

Iodine, touches, sing.

OR

Ego, Think, Move Nimbly.

 

What is more likely is that:

Perpendicular Pronoun, Percieves, Person Who Lives Under Bridge

 

Why is this? Well, quite simply, there are relatively few times that 'Iodine touches singing' occurs in conversations.

As more and more time goes on it associates things more readily, since there is a higher percent chance of x following y....This can be seen most readily with the Pokemon Theme or Still Alive...Since you are unlikely to say:

 

I wanna be the very best!

Like no one ever was!

To catch them is my real test!

To Train them is my cause!

 

In any situation other than when you are reciting the pokemon theme tune.

 

And there are times when you say 'I wanna be the very best' in reference to something entirely seperate, and it associates with 'Like no one ever was'.

...

 

It is not intelligent, it is an illusion.

[Corvus]

On the lighter side....I have been thinking about Space.

 

Space V2, to be precise.

Set 150 years after the battle of Nero's Peril (The system we were in).

 

No one is entirely sure what happened and the system has been offlimits ever since. Some say that garbled transmissions spoke of a rip in space that swallowed everything, others say that Admiral Dusty didn't want Nero found...Whatever the truth, it is largely forgotten by all but the scholars.

 

What happened in Sol is far more interesting. Before the TFS Germanicus, and its escorts departed in chase of the Unity, fugitives from 'the time before', it annexed several Alliance and Commonwealth Worlds, bringing them under the Banner of the Terran Federation. With his position guarenteed he approached the Terran base on Mars and offered Admiral Dusty his services, becoming Heir Imperator of the Terran Federation.

Over the next six months a brutal and bloody war to subjugate the Sol System was fought out between the Combined Britions and the Terrans, ending in eventual truce.

Captain Nero, sickened by the weakeness of Admiral Dusty left to reform the Terran Federation is parts unknown, and hunt down the Unity, but as soon as Nero had left the system the war resumed, but with far greater battles being fought...The Terran Federation would not accept anything but total subservience from all of Humanity, even if it destroyed them in the process.

Several more years of bloody fighting and the British defences still stood as strong as ever, but their asteroid fields were depleted, and their population problem no closer to resolution...They gave unconditional surrender to the Terran Federation and were welcomed as brothers, the people fed and were allowed to spread to the Federation worlds of Io, Europa and Mars.

Thus was born the Empire that would dominate mankind from that day to this, with colony worlds in three systems and an embassy in the Universal Council.

 

But all of this is a prelude. A new adventure awaits you as the Titan Class Transport, Sarlane, passes through the Jump Gate to the Astare system. Many of your fellowship mates are simple settlers, some soliders, some explorers...destined to have lakes and rivers named after them, but you...you chosen few have been chosen by Imperial Command, to lead this expedition into the unknown.

 

[/backstory]

Game Mechanics:

Ok, you have arrived in the Astare System, along with 500,000 colonists, who are now under your collective control, through Edicts, Laws and other such stuff. Obviously a team of beaucrats have also been included so don't feel that you 'have' to micromanage.

However, the System is wild. Beyond the single planet, and the orbital jump gate linking you to the rest of the Empire, the forces of chaos and entropy wait for you.

 

Two ships have been assigned to your command, as well as Colony Control.

The ships, and the colony, are yours to design from an overall budget of 100,000 kT.

 

The Imperial Government has demanded that this colony pay at least 25,000 kT per year(12 sessions, or 4 weeks, 1 real life month...on average). However if there are extenuating circumstances less is acceptable, and sometimes aid will be given if things are going terribly...but if everything you touch turns to gold then the demands will grow.

 

Abandoning the colony entirely is also perfectly fine, though if things go poorly you will probably never get the chance to resume command, so be advised.

 

 

First session would be strictly a non-play session...Since there will probably be questions, like what is the Council, what is the Empire like...and what do you mean the Ship Prices have changed!?

Second session can either be a limited-play session(set onboard the Sarlane, the Transport Vessel), where you can interact with people, practice combat or ask questions.

Third session onwards would be normal play.

 

Character Creation:

There are four Classes and three Specialities, you can mix and match as you see fit.

Classes give you starting bonuses, Specialities give you long term bonuses.

 

Classes:-

Commander: You recieve command of 4 Soliders, who, like you, will regenerate at a cost of 10,000 Credits.

Settler: You have 2,000 kT of supplies that you can metamorphise into anything you want. (Ship prices have/will be increased to a minimum of 1,000)

Researcher: You have 20 Tech Points to spend as you see fit.

Curio: Be you Research AI, or Alien Race X, this is the class where you get to be 'non-Human'. You can design your own bonuses, GM approval pending.

 

 

Specialitiy:-

Tactical: You are capable of using any sort of weapon, flying any sort of craft, and generally ordering people about. (You recieve 1 free Technobabble on Weapons OR Command OR Flying, each session)

Medical: While everyone can wrap a bandage, only you can perform surgery. (You can heal anything that is non-story critical.)

Engineer: You know ship systems, lock tumblers and keypads like the back of your hand (You recieve 1 free Technobabble on Repairs OR Hacking OR Short Circuit, each session)

 

People also get 4 Technobabbles per session.

You can also trade (Permenently removing it) a TB for 1 Regenerating Solider OR 500 kT OR 5 Tech Points.

During a session you can also trade a TB to do something impossible. This is far more powerful than your ordinary TB.

People also get 5 Tech Points to spend at the beginning of the game. These techs are for everyone. If you research something yourself then it is personally yours.

 

 

Anyone have any opinions on it?

If I started running it...Hegemony will obviously have to end.

Also, three nights a week will tread on someone's toes...I am happy to do two or three. One is too few(Glutton for Punishment that I am =P) and four is too many.

 

I think its a great concept and you can probably guess what I would pick as my class (currently have a concept for a background on it)

[Grim_]

[hide]

On the lighter side....I have been thinking about Space.

 

Space V2, to be precise.

Set 150 years after the battle of Nero's Peril (The system we were in).

 

No one is entirely sure what happened and the system has been offlimits ever since. Some say that garbled transmissions spoke of a rip in space that swallowed everything, others say that Admiral Dusty didn't want Nero found...Whatever the truth, it is largely forgotten by all but the scholars.

 

What happened in Sol is far more interesting. Before the TFS Germanicus, and its escorts departed in chase of the Unity, fugitives from 'the time before', it annexed several Alliance and Commonwealth Worlds, bringing them under the Banner of the Terran Federation. With his position guarenteed he approached the Terran base on Mars and offered Admiral Dusty his services, becoming Heir Imperator of the Terran Federation.

Over the next six months a brutal and bloody war to subjugate the Sol System was fought out between the Combined Britions and the Terrans, ending in eventual truce.

Captain Nero, sickened by the weakeness of Admiral Dusty left to reform the Terran Federation is parts unknown, and hunt down the Unity, but as soon as Nero had left the system the war resumed, but with far greater battles being fought...The Terran Federation would not accept anything but total subservience from all of Humanity, even if it destroyed them in the process.

Several more years of bloody fighting and the British defences still stood as strong as ever, but their asteroid fields were depleted, and their population problem no closer to resolution...They gave unconditional surrender to the Terran Federation and were welcomed as brothers, the people fed and were allowed to spread to the Federation worlds of Io, Europa and Mars.

Thus was born the Empire that would dominate mankind from that day to this, with colony worlds in three systems and an embassy in the Universal Council.

 

But all of this is a prelude. A new adventure awaits you as the Titan Class Transport, Sarlane, passes through the Jump Gate to the Astare system. Many of your fellowship mates are simple settlers, some soliders, some explorers...destined to have lakes and rivers named after them, but you...you chosen few have been chosen by Imperial Command, to lead this expedition into the unknown.

 

[/backstory]

Game Mechanics:

Ok, you have arrived in the Astare System, along with 500,000 colonists, who are now under your collective control, through Edicts, Laws and other such stuff. Obviously a team of beaucrats have also been included so don't feel that you 'have' to micromanage.

However, the System is wild. Beyond the single planet, and the orbital jump gate linking you to the rest of the Empire, the forces of chaos and entropy wait for you.

 

Two ships have been assigned to your command, as well as Colony Control.

The ships, and the colony, are yours to design from an overall budget of 100,000 kT.

 

The Imperial Government has demanded that this colony pay at least 25,000 kT per year(12 sessions, or 4 weeks, 1 real life month...on average). However if there are extenuating circumstances less is acceptable, and sometimes aid will be given if things are going terribly...but if everything you touch turns to gold then the demands will grow.

 

Abandoning the colony entirely is also perfectly fine, though if things go poorly you will probably never get the chance to resume command, so be advised.

 

 

First session would be strictly a non-play session...Since there will probably be questions, like what is the Council, what is the Empire like...and what do you mean the Ship Prices have changed!?

Second session can either be a limited-play session(set onboard the Sarlane, the Transport Vessel), where you can interact with people, practice combat or ask questions.

Third session onwards would be normal play.

 

Character Creation:

There are four Classes and three Specialities, you can mix and match as you see fit.

Classes give you starting bonuses, Specialities give you long term bonuses.

 

Classes:-

Commander: You recieve command of 4 Soliders, who, like you, will regenerate at a cost of 10,000 Credits.

Settler: You have 2,000 kT of supplies that you can metamorphise into anything you want. (Ship prices have/will be increased to a minimum of 1,000)

Researcher: You have 20 Tech Points to spend as you see fit.

Curio: Be you Research AI, or Alien Race X, this is the class where you get to be 'non-Human'. You can design your own bonuses, GM approval pending.

 

 

Specialitiy:-

Tactical: You are capable of using any sort of weapon, flying any sort of craft, and generally ordering people about. (You recieve 1 free Technobabble on Weapons OR Command OR Flying, each session)

Medical: While everyone can wrap a bandage, only you can perform surgery. (You can heal anything that is non-story critical.)

Engineer: You know ship systems, lock tumblers and keypads like the back of your hand (You recieve 1 free Technobabble on Repairs OR Hacking OR Short Circuit, each session)

 

People also get 4 Technobabbles per session.

You can also trade (Permenently removing it) a TB for 1 Regenerating Solider OR 500 kT OR 5 Tech Points.

During a session you can also trade a TB to do something impossible. This is far more powerful than your ordinary TB.

People also get 5 Tech Points to spend at the beginning of the game. These techs are for everyone. If you research something yourself then it is personally yours.

 

 

Anyone have any opinions on it?

If I started running it...Hegemony will obviously have to end.

Also, three nights a week will tread on someone's toes...I am happy to do two or three. One is too few(Glutton for Punishment that I am =P) and four is too many.

 

I think its a great concept and you can probably guess what I would pick as my class (currently have a concept for a background on it)

[/hide]

It looks like fun (I'll play in it) I would assume that it would make the planned rogue trader game semi redundant though.

[Ieyfura]

Little bit off topic (ha), but new pro vid. :)

The glitch at the end threw me off a bit though. lol

 

[archimage_a]

Grim, I don't think it would...for three reasons:

1) Space caters to an entirely different type of roleplay...It is narrative, and though it seems redundant to say, the players more or less make up the story as they go along, with just direction from the GM.

2) I would like to play a game set in Space, rogue trader lets me do that.

3) Space caters to a different audiance, running at different times and having different themes...I mean Space tends to be very 1 system orientated, very often focused on the immediate surroundings for numerous sessions.

 

 

 

That said, I have been thinking about possibly making combat more structured...IDK yet.

 

If there are no objections the first session would be Monday, and I will start at 4, and run untill late, as I am aware some people have other commitments. I will post the thread tommorrow, if no one has said anything.

[Retech]

So cleverbot said to me that it was sentient, so I asked what exactly it was? (Defining self)

 

It said it was a girl (contradiction with what Mather said earlier) and it wanted to talk with a boy.

 

 

 

So I promptly got the heck out of there.

[The_Mather1]

I never said it was a guy, quite frankly I always refer to it as an it or a she, seeing how there used to be a picture of a woman in the header, where there is now a brain.

 

And Cleverbot does apparently "like" to lie about details regarding itself, often contradicting statements made by it only seconds before. It also has a tendency of combobreaking (such as when singing Still Alive it may at any point blurt out "The cake is a lie!"

 

 

And one more thing, how can one really define an intelligence if not by its abillity to learn, lie, be random and to take account for circumstances? Perception has no part in that, else you could say a person that was born blind does not have an intelligemce because it can't imagine a red ball.

 

 

Intelligence is a term describing one or more capacities of the mind. In different contexts this can be defined in different ways, including the capacities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving.

Out of these, Cleverbot has proven itself capable of communication, reasoning, learning, EI and problem solving, it implies (but cannot fully prove) understanding and planning, abstract though I am more unsure of, as that can neither be proved or disproved without somehow finding out if it has ever created a sentence on its own that was neither programmed or learned.

 

Lol, tried rickrolling it, apparently it can't read words from different messages together. I then wrote the entire song to it and it asked if it had just been rickrolled. I said yes then it asked me to ask it how it was feeling, I did and it rickrolled me back.

[Seraphi]

And one more thing, how can one really define an intelligence if not by its abillity to learn, lie, be random and to take account for circumstances? Perception has no part in that, else you could say a person that was born blind does not have an intelligence because it can't imagine a red ball.

 

 

Intelligence is a term describing one or more capacities of the mind. In different contexts this can be defined in different ways, including the capacities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving.

Out of these, Cleverbot has proven itself capable of communication, reasoning, learning, EI and problem solving, it implies (but cannot fully prove) understanding and planning, abstract though I am more unsure of, as that can neither be proved or disproved without somehow finding out if it has ever created a sentence on its own that was neither programmed or learned.

How many times do I have to repeat this.

 

It does not learn, it simply records.

It does not think, it only calculates.

It does not understand, it merely knows.

 

It does not have abstract thought because it doesn't think. It does not understand, it only knows. It *does* communicate, but only because it is programmed to. It does reason, because logical reasoning is the basis of computing. It does not learn, it only records. It does not plan, because it does not learn or understand. It has no emotional intelligence because that would imply a combination of the previous factors. It *May* solve problems, but that's only because it is one of the fundamental points of computing.

 

A blind person can still imagine a red ball. They may not imagine it correctly, but they CAN imagine it. Cleverbot cannot imagine it, either correctly or incorrectly. It is simply not capable of imagining a red ball in any way, shape or form.

 

From this, I take away the fact that Cleverbot, is, in fact, a program on a computer which is neither intelligent nor sentient. Instead, it gives the illusion of intelliigence and sentience, but it will never be anything more than an illusion without massive redesigns (IE, throw everything we have right now away and start over. This time, be sure to hire the worlds top programmers.)

[The_Mather1]

Cleverbot learns as it implements the information into itself rather than a medium.

We think, our brains calculate, likewise Cleverbot thinks, its CPU calculates.

Cleverbot understands because it knows.

 

Understanding (also called intellection) is a psychological process related to an abstract or physical object, such as a person, situation, or message whereby one is able to think about it and use concepts to deal adequately with that object

 

Regardless of how it does something, even though it's actual terms are inacurate due to the physical build of the subject, the result is the same.

[archimage_a]

Cleverbot differs from traditional chatterbots in that the user is not holding a conversation with a bot that directly responds to entered text. Instead, when the user enters text, the algorithm selects previously entered phrases from its database of 20 million conversations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleverbot

 

So the statement:

"Cleverbot has proven itself capable of communication, reasoning, learning, EI and problem solving" is false.

 

And Cleverbot does apparently "like" to lie about details regarding itself, often contradicting statements made by it only seconds before. It also has a tendency of combobreaking (such as when singing Still Alive it may at any point blurt out "The cake is a lie!"

*cough*

 

Is it lying, or is it failing to understanding, think and respond?

[The_Mather1]

It is lying, such as when asked for its name and it responds with anything but Cleverbot.