KONY 2012

[Kimberly]

I'd so that was a little bit of a different situation as the issue was affecting the internet itself - so the activism that took place on the internet was more meaningful.

 

Sure, more meaningful. Still not a whit more effective and impactful - which are traits both situations share.

[Mercifull]

Of course you also have to be critical of everyone even if they are trying to bring a tyrant to justice... http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

 

edit: saw on page 4 someone also posted this. checked the first 3 then for some reason skipped so 5... oops

[obfuscator]

I'd so that was a little bit of a different situation as the issue was affecting the internet itself - so the activism that took place on the internet was more meaningful.

 

Sure, more meaningful. Still not a whit more effective and impactful - which are traits both situations share.

I don't know that I'd say raising awareness about something isn't at all impactful...and in the case of SOPA, the blackouts and such raised awareness in the demographic specifically affected by the legislation; which in turn caused a greater volume of complaints to the government, which of course was effective.

 

In the same way, raising awareness about this cause isn't necessarily impactful in and of itself, but raising awareness raises the amount of money raised, which is usually impactful to some small degree.

[Riku3220]

On Facebook, arguing with people on my own status about how I don't support KONY 2012:

 

you're not willing to open your mind to what we're saying, and we are definitely not going to consider what you're saying.

 

DONE!

[champion]

No one is forcing you to listen to anyone talk about shit. That big red x in the corner of your internet browser exists for a reason (unless you have a mac, in which case you're beyond help). As an afterthought, you are either a morally bankrupt individual or an angry teenager (likely a metal fan) who thinks they've figured it all out. Maybe develop some principles that stick with you for more than six months before you act so cynical.

lol roccodog what the [bleep] are you doing. are you joking?

[Vezon Dash]

After reading the few pages of this post, All I can say is that this is all complete horse shit. I don't really care about this Kony guy and what he is doing over in Africa. I mean, yeah, it is horrible and all, but as Americans (some of us here), we don't need any more conflict. We are already hated by 75% of other countries because we overstep our boundaries.

 

Now please. Stop spamming K0NY2012!!!!!!! on every damn Youtube video and Facebook status that I see. If you really want to do something about it, just stay the hell out of the whole situation. Please.

[The Dark Lord]

Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.

[The_Gabe]

Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.

 

Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon is a clueless idiot and should feel bad for not knowing of an issue going on for 2 decades and finally finding out through Facebook.

 

 

Note to mods: I'm not flaming but simply showing the ridiculousness of this point

 

[champion]

It is called a joke.

[Vezon Dash]

Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.

 

Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon is a clueless idiot and should feel bad for not knowing of an issue going on for 2 decades and finally finding out through Facebook.

 

 

Note to mods: I'm not flaming but simply showing the ridiculousness of this point

 

 

I won't deny the fact that I'm heartless and that I don't care random people thousands of miles away from me that have no baring on my life whatsoever.

 

If you actually cared about it, maybe you should donate money to the cause or something of the sort instead of trying to guilt people (a stubborn person in your case with me) into trying to believe what you do.

 

 

 

@Pie

Yes, this whole Kony 2012 thing is a joke.

 

probably not what you meant though

 

[Giordano]

There's a difference between being for Kony, against Kony, and passive to Kony. Nobody here is supportive of Kony, but that doesn't mean we're all going to "spread the word" or volunteer in the Kony 2012 Corps for a daring assault of his compound.

[Zerker_Jane]

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[codecRS]

I dont really no much about this campaign, ive read a bit about it and all i've read is bad stuff about invisible children, 1/3 of donations actually going to the cause. Plus they send some of the money to the Uganda Military, which is pretty corrupt and their military do a lot of the stuff this KONY guy is doing. I heard he isnt even in Uganda anymore. I just think a lot of people are jumping on a bandwagon and trying to do the right thing before actually knowing the full details. Postering and flyering your city in most places is classed and vanadlism or illegal anyway.

[Thus]

Gotta love the bandwagon, thinking a status update is going to do anything about an issue they just learned 5 minutes ago.

[assassin_696]

Of course you also have to be critical of everyone even if they are trying to bring a tyrant to justice... http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

 

edit: saw on page 4 someone also posted this. checked the first 3 then for some reason skipped so 5... oops

 

There's a rebuttal of many of the points of that article here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

 

To be honest even before I'd read the rebuttal I haven't been particularly impressed by any of the anti-Kony2012 arguments. Even if the charity is squeaky clean, I think you can support the cause without necessarily supporting the charity behind it. I'm not accusing you of saying this, but I find the whole "but it's more complex than that!" argument a little patronising. I get that the situation in Africa is incredibly complex and won't be solved by bringing Kony in. But I think these kind of people can go unpunished precisely because we second guess each other and the outcome of removing Kony et al. The issue is, does Kony deserve to be brought to justice and be judged for his crimes? I think the answer is unequivocally yes, and that's what I think the message of the campaign is about. Of course it won't fix everything, it might help, it might not. But I think if you have a conscience you have to ask yourself why wouldn't you want to try and stop him? You can debate the details of how that's done, and I think his removal has to come from within rather than with some occupation by foreign forces (which the campaign isn't pushing for), but if bringing him to justice gives some closure to the thousands of people he's affected, then it's worth it.

[sarg1010]

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Saw that on 9gag and was going to post that as well. Let's not forget this one.

 

[spoiler=Requirement before sharing the Kony video]

 

[obfuscator]

Of course you also have to be critical of everyone even if they are trying to bring a tyrant to justice... http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

 

edit: saw on page 4 someone also posted this. checked the first 3 then for some reason skipped so 5... oops

 

There's a rebuttal of many of the points of that article here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

 

To be honest even before I'd read the rebuttal I haven't been particularly impressed by any of the anti-Kony2012 arguments. Even if the charity is squeaky clean, I think you can support the cause without necessarily supporting the charity behind it. I'm not accusing you of saying this, but I find the whole "but it's more complex than that!" argument a little patronising. I get that the situation in Africa is incredibly complex and won't be solved by bringing Kony in. But I think these kind of people can go unpunished precisely because we second guess each other and the outcome of removing Kony et al. The issue is, does Kony deserve to be brought to justice and be judged for his crimes? I think the answer is unequivocally yes, and that's what I think the message of the campaign is about. Of course it won't fix everything, it might help, it might not. But I think if you have a conscience you have to ask yourself why wouldn't you want to try and stop him? You can debate the details of how that's done, and I think his removal has to come from within rather than with some occupation by foreign forces (which the campaign isn't pushing for), but if bringing him to justice gives some closure to the thousands of people he's affected, then it's worth it.

 

The video made it quite clear the campaign is pushing for involvement from foreign forces....

[assassin_696]

The video made it quite clear the campaign is pushing for involvement from foreign forces....

 

Involvement is very different from supporting a military campaign like the one in the Middle East. The US forces who were initially deployed were being used in an advisory capacity, to provide specialist knowledge and technology to track him down. On the one hand there's working with the government and military of a country to help them, which is pretty common, and there's invasion or direct military intervention, which is very different.

[obfuscator]

The video made it quite clear the campaign is pushing for involvement from foreign forces....

 

Involvement is very different from supporting a military campaign like the one in the Middle East. The US forces who were initially deployed were being used in an advisory capacity, to provide specialist knowledge and technology to track him down. On the one hand there's working with the government and military of a country to help them, which is pretty common, and there's invasion or direct military intervention, which is very different.

Except the US has already tried direct military intervention (in terms of raids) and it didn't work.

[Furah]

Invisible Children Inc. are using outdated footage to promote the crusade of a man who is no longer in the country they're supporting the army of. He hasn't been there since 2006, when the Ugandan military managed to drive the LRA out of the country. That's a very big factor to leave out in a video about them getting funding and trying to get the US government to send support to Uganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvqFi_HRPmk

[Riku3220]

More Anti-KONY2012 support.

 

http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

[NL 91]

Its so funny to see people saying stuff like supprot from x or something like that after one video and im sure people knew there were alot of problems in Africa. But what are those really gonna do other than that? Probably nothing.

[MightyMuddy]

Have you guys heard of the subliminal messaging in the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvB1j4GjJ0

I noticed there's a lot of flashing of that red triangle thingy that's on the IC flag but there's also flashes of Koby's face and some eye in the later part of the video.

[sarg1010]

While not entirely on topic, if anyone wants to have some fun trolling ignorant friends, you can always do this.

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2012 by Randox
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[obfuscator]

That's funny :D