DDOSing in runescape

[Pinata]

It's not a matter of the state of runescape. It's - as I believe was previously stated - about the players. We have put such a value on items, to the point where people forking out hundreds and hundreds of dollars/pounds/currencyhere for in game items that, in actuality, are worth nothing except for an intangible amount of epeen that, for the most part, noone gives a shit about it.

 

That makes thigns even MORE sought after, not necessarily by your standard, rule abiding gamer who just wants to look like a boss in his party hat, but by those who engage in RWTing for hefty sums of money (and given the rediculous amounts of money people are willing to fork out for it, one might understand why people sell).

 

You aren't going to change that culture. The only way - and god forbid that I say this with the inevitable uproar that is going to follow - to stamp it out, is to either make the untradable or do a legit Party Hat (here guys, have a PeaHat trollololol) drop to flood out the market and turn them into everyday items. NO ONE will want them anymore, because [everyone] has them. Yes, it'll destroy the market. Yes, it'll leave people screwed, but to stamp out things like this, takes some serious measures. At the end of the day, you aren't going to stop little Jimmy trying to scam you out for a PHat or Joe the Plumber buying a PHat for thousands of dollars, unless they are seen to be less prestigious.

 

But that, will never happen. Because lets face it, "it'll ruin the game", "it'll screw the economy" and god forbid, the rich stakers will just [bleep] and moan EVEN MORE about, what is, at the end of the day, a bunch of pixels in a game.

 

You don't seem to get it. They aren't just "a bunch of pixels in a game". People can convert those pixels into thousands of pounds or vice versa in a matter of minutes.

 

And ruining party hats wont affect the 'rich stakers' etc who keep upwards of a hundred billion in shard stacks (most wealthy players keep their wealth in shards spread across multiple accounts rather than investing in rares, especially after last year); it'll affect the people who worked hard at merchanting or PVM to make that one or two bill for their rares. Thats one of the reasons Jagex would never do that; rather than affecting the ultra rich, destroying rares will affect your average hardworking and successful player far more.

 

I was thinking for rares what if they opened a "rare shop". In this rare shop they take all the current street values (blue partyhat + christmas crackers would have to be analyzed somehow, maybe a purple partyhat + max cash is required to buy a blue) of the items and make that the price of the rares for the rest of the Runescape years. Of course they couldn't announce this as people would hike the street value of rares to get more out of them before the nerf. While you could say their would be mass inflation. It would be somewhat limited due to the max cash stack. Essentially rares would just become another money holder such as spirit shards. Also the inflation from this would surely go away over time and could go away quite fast if they do another construction type money sink, but 10x more severe.

 

Simpler picture

 

A store that buys and sells rares always for the exact same prices that are never changing.

[999134]

Fairly sure after reading this thread that my IP may have been got through that stupid new rssite scam thread that keeps popping up here, it had a large image on it :/.

 

Why not have some sort of white-list system for off-site picture links, such as imageshack, even runetracker etc, and prevent other sites from being able to host images here.

[n_odie]

Why not have some sort of white-list system for off-site picture links, such as imageshack, even runetracker etc, and prevent other sites from being able to host images here.

I thought tripsis said more than this:

 

This is a common threat going around right now and is one that we will be combating very soon.

 

I don't think I will get hazed for saying this but we will be adding that to the forum on the next update (or a few days after it).

[stonewall337]

Why not have some sort of white-list system for off-site picture links, such as imageshack, even runetracker etc, and prevent other sites from being able to host images here.

I thought tripsis said more than this:

 

This is a common threat going around right now and is one that we will be combating very soon.

 

I don't think I will get hazed for saying this but we will be adding that to the forum on the next update (or a few days after it).

I can't speak for everyone but I can say Huzzah to that.

[NoHopeLeft]

Suppose I wanted to get a specific person's IP Address on these forums, I could just host an image on a webserver I own and PM it to them or something equally simple. Images should be whitelisted.

[Bxpprod]

You don't seem to get it. They aren't just "a bunch of pixels in a game". People can convert those pixels into thousands of pounds or vice versa in a matter of minutes.

 

Good to see you read only segments of my post.

At the end of the day, you aren't going to stop little Jimmy trying to scam you out for a PHat or Joe the Plumber buying a PHat for thousands of dollars, unless they are seen to be less prestigious.

RWTing for hefty sums of money (and given the rediculous amounts of money people are willing to fork out for it, one might understand why people sell).

We have put such a value on items, to the point where people forking out hundreds and hundreds of dollars/pounds/currencyhere for in game items that, in actuality, are worth nothing except for an intangible amount of epeen that, for the most part, noone gives a shit about it.

 

But no, you're right, "I don't get it"

 

And ruining party hats wont affect the 'rich stakers' etc who keep upwards of a hundred billion in shard stacks (most wealthy players keep their wealth in shards spread across multiple accounts rather than investing in rares, especially after last year); it'll affect the people who worked hard at merchanting or PVM to make that one or two bill for their rares.

 

And yet, there are several instances - including one that generated this thread - where that is a completely bogus statement.

 

Thats one of the reasons Jagex would never do that; rather than affecting the ultra rich, destroying rares will affect your average hardworking and successful player far more.

 

Wait, so, the uproar that's going to come from the whingers is not a legitimite reason because 'stakers and ultra rich wont be affected' but your Joe Bloes whinging is?

Well, that seems to make perfect sense.

[Arceus]

I was thinking for rares what if they opened a "rare shop". In this rare shop they take all the current street values (blue partyhat + christmas crackers would have to be analyzed somehow, maybe a purple partyhat + max cash is required to buy a blue) of the items and make that the price of the rares for the rest of the Runescape years. Of course they couldn't announce this as people would hike the street value of rares to get more out of them before the nerf. While you could say their would be mass inflation. It would be somewhat limited due to the max cash stack. Essentially rares would just become another money holder such as spirit shards. Also the inflation from this would surely go away over time and could go away quite fast if they do another construction type money sink, but 10x more severe.

 

Simpler picture

 

A store that buys and sells rares always for the exact same prices that are never changing.

Or you could have every receive "credit" in the form of cash stored somewhere where it could be collected, in the event that it was over max. Then you could fix the store price at that credit. But this would "fix" only the volatility of the rare market-not the DDosing issue.

[Rock Hard]

It has become the internet version of the guy who tells you to fight him because he isn't intelligent enough to carry on a debate.

 

Omg, im that guy.

[999134]

I recently sent jagex a (rather angry) email directly to their legal department to see what their response to the situation was, and recieved this reply.

 

Hi there,

 

Thanks for getting in touch with us.

 

I have passed on their names to our specialist team of investigators who will take care of the situation for you. Although these users would have to have gained access to your IP address somehow in order to DDoS you.

 

We are aware of the issue and are investigating the problem.

 

Kind regards,

 

Mod Ben W

 

 

 

Really hoping that these people are banned.

[Powerfrog]

I can change my IP by contacting my ISP providers and requesting it, i believe they ask you for a reason, but being attacked by DDOSers should be reason enough.

 

Every site that you visit has the potential to see your IP, so unless you use a proxy for everything but runescape, you really can't hide it.

[Mercifull]

Getting a new Ip isnt a perfect solution as it can be easily found out again. Try the following:

 

1. Block all inbound traffic where the source address is from your internal networks. Why in the world would there be traffic on the outside that originates from the inside? This is a sign that someone is spoofing you.
    
   
2. Block all outbound traffic where the source address isn't from your internal networks. This is the inverse of #1: there's never any reason for your network to emit traffic that's sourced from some other network. Somone on the inside is spoofing someone else (we have a term for such people: employee).
    
   
3. Block all inbound and outbound traffic where the source or destination addresses are from the private address ranges. Defined in RFC1918, these addresses are for use in internal networks; ISPs agree not to route such traffic. Of course, ISPs make configuration mistakes, too; I've seen traffic with these addresses on the Internet. So don't trust that your ISP is perfect, block the stuff yourself. And remember to include the Windows automatic private IP addressing block. The ranges, then, are: 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 192.168.0.0/16, and 169.254.0.0/16.
    
   
4. Block all source-routed packets. Way back in 1970, when "routers" were Unix computers running a routing deamon, they weren't all that reliable. So IP includes a provision for the headers of a packet to indicate the route the packet should take from its source to its destination. Source-routing was necessary then, but it's completely unnecessary today: routers are some of the most reliable gear around. Source-routed traffic is the sign of an attack: drop it all.
    
   
5. Block all broadcast packets, including directed broadcasts. Broadcasts are useful inside a network, but have pretty much zero utility between networks, so don't let the stuff in (or out). And good old smurf attacks, still seen as a form of revenge in IRC, rely on directed broadcasts.
    
   
6. Block all packet fragments. Fragrouter is an old but wonderful tool, imminently useful for evading network intrusion detection. With it, an attacker can create packet fragments -- TCP or UDP packets missing the TCP or UDP header -- and, for example, map out your firewall policy and prod for holes and mistakes in your configuration. With one notable exception, fragments are generally not created, so there's no reason to permit them into your network. What's the exception? IPsec -- or, more precisely, IKE authentication in IPsec. During the authentication sequence, IKE performs six round trips between the peers. As the peers negotiate a protection suite and exchange keys, IKE generates fragments: very rarely will the key fit in a single packet. So if you're allowing IPsec between the Internet and something behind your border router, you'll need to skip this final rule.
   

source: technet

[Platinum_Myr]

[*]Block all source-routed packets. Way back in 1970, when "routers" were Unix computers running a routing deamon, they weren't all that reliable. So IP includes a provision for the headers of a packet to indicate the route the packet should take from its source to its destination. Source-routing was necessary then, but it's completely unnecessary today: routers are some of the most reliable gear around. Source-routed traffic is the sign of an attack: drop it all.

 

Most routers are still running some form of unix-like operating systems on the inside ;) (The consumer products are all running some firmware based off linux with a custom web frontend)

[Fallstar]

You don't seem to get it. They aren't just "a bunch of pixels in a game". People can convert those pixels into thousands of pounds or vice versa in a matter of minutes.

 

Good to see you read only segments of my post.

At the end of the day, you aren't going to stop little Jimmy trying to scam you out for a PHat or Joe the Plumber buying a PHat for thousands of dollars, unless they are seen to be less prestigious.

RWTing for hefty sums of money (and given the rediculous amounts of money people are willing to fork out for it, one might understand why people sell).

We have put such a value on items, to the point where people forking out hundreds and hundreds of dollars/pounds/currencyhere for in game items that, in actuality, are worth nothing except for an intangible amount of epeen that, for the most part, noone gives a shit about it.

 

But no, you're right, "I don't get it"

 

And ruining party hats wont affect the 'rich stakers' etc who keep upwards of a hundred billion in shard stacks (most wealthy players keep their wealth in shards spread across multiple accounts rather than investing in rares, especially after last year); it'll affect the people who worked hard at merchanting or PVM to make that one or two bill for their rares.

 

And yet, there are several instances - including one that generated this thread - where that is a completely bogus statement.

 

Thats one of the reasons Jagex would never do that; rather than affecting the ultra rich, destroying rares will affect your average hardworking and successful player far more.

 

Wait, so, the uproar that's going to come from the whingers is not a legitimite reason because 'stakers and ultra rich wont be affected' but your Joe Bloes whinging is?

Well, that seems to make perfect sense.

 

The person in this thread still has the majority of his bank, so I don't see your point there. Anyone with enough a brain to make a large sum of money has the intellectual capacity to understand why they would keep their money on multiple accounts and in a form that does not significantly depreciate in value over time, ie shards, so again I don't see your point.

 

And where you say "Wait, so, the uproar that's going to come from the whingers is not a legitimite reason because 'stakers and ultra rich wont be affected' but your Joe Bloes whinging is?

Well, that seems to make perfect sense."

 

What I said was that there are far more players with one or two rares which comprise the majority of their net worth who would be affected far more than a small number of ultra wealthy stakers who don't even keep most of their wealth in rares. Destroying rares will affect the large number of normal, hardworking players rather than those who keep most of their wealth in shards. As an example: Person A has 80% of his total wealth stored in a purple partyhat. He earned this wealth through hundreds of hours of high level PVM at 5-10m/hour. Person B is a successful staker. He keeps a couple of phat sets, but keeps over half of his bank in shards spread across multiple accounts for security reasons. This person can make or lose several billion in a minute or less. Jagex then nerf rares.

 

This is a devastating blow to person A, who invested a vast amount of time in obtaining his rares, but is a mild inconvenience to person B, who is used to gaining and losing that much money. There are far more of person A than person B in Runescape. Therefore nerfing rares wont have the biggest impact on the stakers, the dicers, the GE manipulators, the whatever. It will have the biggest impact on those who work hard for enough cash to get one or two rares, but don't have the income/hr to make much more than that. So the reason Jagex will never nerf rares is not because of the stakers (person B) who would complain as you originally said. It is because it will affect the average successful player (player A) far more. And the reason Jagex won't nerf it isn't because of complaining. They are used to people venting and raging incessantly. Its because they know how much of a negative impact it would have on the person A type player, of whom there are many.

[BryceLo12d]

Have been instructed by a mod to apologize for my earlier post...

 

Sorry..?

 

Nice thread.

[Platinum_Myr]

@Fallstar:

I don't believe the average player has a party hat. It really depends on how you define success. Nerfing rares shouldn't be done because it would be yet more interfering with that market. I don't really see the need to nerf them as they are just a status symbol, and has no gameplay value.

 

But while there are more of "player a" (the guy with one-two party hats) than "player b" (the guy who has billions spread over accounts and full partyhat sets), I don't believe either one is all that common.

[Crit2h]

Dos'em back? LOl. Anyway OT: It's pretty sad that people become scum to do such things, but it does happen. Hope they get their due "rewards" irl someday.

[Thus]

If you have a static IP, don't stake.

 

Problem solved, that wasn't so hard was it?

[iSharkMan]

People like that ruin the game, but I suppose they just want money. It's an easy way to make some cash and people aren't going to stop doing it because they can get away with it.

[J a c]

This is why I tend to avoid PvP with huge risk.

 

Shame on the people who do it though.

[I_am_Not]

If you have a static IP, don't stake.

 

Problem solved, that wasn't so hard was it?

 

Pay for a good VPN

 

Problem solved, a second time

and what if they have your original IP?

 

a VPN is worthless if someone already has your ip

[Platinum_Myr]

a VPN is worthless if someone already has your ip

 

The point of paying for a good VPN is that they wouldn't have your real IP. Sure someone might get it but if you are the kind of person who buys a really good VPN setup the chances of you leaking the ip is much lower.

[SnuGGzZ]

blues aren't 3b.