V O R K Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 If you look at any sort of prohibition in human history you'd realize people will always find a way around it. I view gambling as something of lower morals but it isn't inherently bad. Personally I like to wager myself sometimes, you may not condone it but it won't go away. Who are you to judge for someone having a good time? I agree that gambling should be put out of player hands, however it won't go away untill there is a NPC-controlled setting with odds on the house and an additional -10% fee (or more) on player bets resulting in: 1. Hosts are gone from G.E. W2 making it possible to become a tradeplace again.2. A moneysink/deflation of economy since the fee removes the money out of the game completely and even if some win big, odds are always on the house when it comes to gambling, in the end we all lose.3. No scammers. For the argument that gambling has a legal age, Jagex could easily implent a screen asking for legal age or permission of parents if you enter the gamble room. Respect to all the legit hosts, Fun times! Full house! I hope Jagex hands this well. Sway all day, Butterfly flaps all the way! ✿ ♥‿♥) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Nana Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 inb4 c/h x2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) This is good. Not so much in the anti-gambling sense, because as much as I'm against it in a broad sense, you're too [bleep]ing stupid to realise it's dumb, then have at it. The problem now, for me at least, is the spam. Spammers everywhere, and becoming more prevalent of late, is the host-bots. I could almost come to terms with it (not really, but hey, for the sake of Vann) if it weren't for the bullshit associated. For the argument that gambling has a legal age, Jagex could easily implent a screen asking for legal age or permission of parents if you enter the gamble room. Yeah. They should also have to read and confirm they've read terms and conditions. because that is gunna stop anyone These lyrics are dedicated to Vann: Now this is the story all about howMy life got flipped, turned upside downAnd I'd like to take a minutejust sit right there I'll tell you how this stupid update is not even fair In West Varrock area, Grand ExchangeNear the wall is where I planted most of my seedsChilling out, planting, cleaning all foolsShowing off my cashpile, damn I'm coolWhen Jagex came out "bye gambling for good"Started muting homies for planting flowersI got in one little fight with Tansuo, I'm scaredNow I need to move my ass to make my own money and that's not fair POTY Edited March 8, 2013 by El Pistolero Please don't censor evade. 3 [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Personally I like to wager myself sometimes, you may not condone it but it won't go away. Who are you to judge for someone having a good time? There is a difference between gambling as an adult who knows the risks doing it for fun and some kid playing a game thinking that he's going to double his bank. There is also a difference between gambling with a couple of friends for pocket change and setting up casino clans to farm gold on an absolutely massive scale. In Runescape, more often than not this is the latter of both examples. The line of dozens of 34 total level accounts with bot names and purple robes trying to get me to join a gambling fc are not there because their makers want to have a good time, they simply want to hoard money. And why gambling is bad?- it doesn't create items/gp: no inflation It concentrates a large portion of money in a small group, and so causes new items to start at ridiculous prices as gamblers can afford to pay billions for them.- hosters can rwt - they can also rwt nex loot I don't think I need to point out the difference between nex loot and hosting in terms of gp/hr- gamblers doesn't play the game correctly - if someone enjoy game, he play correctly (why you want limit other players fun?) True to a point.- hosters earn too much gp/h - where do you want put limit for gp/h and ban all method that allow break that border? Agreed.- it doesn't require any real skills - wc/fish and some other afk in game skillis also doesn't require any skill, ekhem, castle wars loafing, ekhem. Agreed.- it doesn't require any in game skills - collecting many items and some quests also doesn't require any in game skill Agreed.- it is agains't game spirit - this is huge open world game with milions different players and game spirit is different for everybody The "spirit of the game" is how the game is intended to be played by it's designers. It's not the same as someone's playstyle or view of the game. I don't gamble. i'm not host. I understand why people gamble and I don't want limit other players. They can do everything they want with their pixels.Responses bolded. It's a question of morality, not merely an economical or gameplay issue. Is it right to take someone's entire bank knowing that they may very well have serious gambling problems, or even that they are children and totally ignorant to the way things work? 2 From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamil1210 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 It concentrates a large portion of money in a small group, and so causes new items to start at ridiculous prices as gamblers can afford to pay billions for them.thy could acumulate money from monster drops, working in small pvm clans I don't think I need to point out the difference between nex loot and hosting in terms of gp/hrso waht is max gp/h that should be banned? nex gp/h +1gp? What if new boss wil be better gp/h? The "spirit of the game" is how the game is intended to be played by it's designers. It's not the same as someone's playstyle or view of the game. I think games are for players and players determine what is game spirit. Bone sack can act as santa bag for toys, I don't think jagex has thought about this when they addet it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tansuo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The "spirit of the game" is how the game is intended to be played by it's designers. It's not the same as someone's playstyle or view of the game.I think games are for players and players determine what is game spirit. Adventure. Where in any adventures have the adventurers stopped off for a quick game of h/c x2? I didn't see them doing that in The Hobbit. Sorry Thorin, we'll get to saving your kingdom and defeating the dragon in a bit, just gotta make bank with this flower host. 8 | | | A Blog to Bathtubs for BeginnersQuest Cape | 99 Defence Achieved 11-Jul-2011 17:41 | 99 Prayer 11-Jul-2012 | 99 Constitution 02-Aug-201299 Attack 31/10/2012 | 99 Dungeoneering 31/10/2012 | 99 Strength 31/10/2012 | 99 Magic 2/12/201299 Range 16/12/2012 | 99 Herblore 25/12/2012 | 99 Summoning 4/1/2013 | 99 Firemaking 6/3/201399 Farming 10/4/2013 | 99 Slayer 11/7/2013 | 99 Fletching 21/8/2013 | 99 Smithing 22/8/2013 99 Crafting 19/12/2013 | 99 Cooking 15/1/2014 | 99 Agility 25/1/2014 | 99 Thieving 01/02/201499 Construction 21/04/2014 | 99 Woodcutting 04/03/2014 | 99 Fishing 17/04/2014 | 99 Mining 23/07/201599 Divination 27/07/2015 | 99 Runecrafting 20/08/2015 | 99 Hunter 20/08/2015 | Maxed 20/08/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Sorry Thorin, we'll get to saving your kingdom and defeating the dragon in a bit, just gotta make bank with this flower host.They played riddle games instead. Now there's a game that takes skill. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leik Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 I just really, really hope they nuke gambling for good. I thought this was a fantastic move by Jagex, as was their little war against Fishy not so long ago. Hope they keep this up. Also, Vann (or any other host who is upset), you may be legit and never scam (I know that). But there are countless scammers and RWTers in the world of gambling, and I think it's completely worth it to kill that source of income for the few legit hosts in order to reduce scamming and RWTing by 34563453%. LIVERPOOL WILL WIN THE PREMIER LEAGUE THIS SEASON. [01:24:34] CJ Hunnicutt: it takes skill to be that [bleep]ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vann Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I just really, really hope they nuke gambling for good. I thought this was a fantastic move by Jagex, as was their little war against Fishy not so long ago. Hope they keep this up. Also, Vann (or any other host who is upset), you may be legit and never scam (I know that). But there are countless scammers and RWTers in the world of gambling, and I think it's completely worth it to kill that source of income for the few legit hosts in order to reduce scamming and RWTing by 34563453%. #1- ILU Leik #2- The ONLY reason I'm mad is because of the unfair mute. If they had updated the rules or given a warning then I would have never said anything. If gambling gets removed tomorrow it will not affect me at all because I am playing 2007 now. I enjoyed Runescape back in the day and I'm excited to enjoy it a bit more (until May when I finish university and get a real job). @Auror- I give the lyrics a 9.5/10! Enjoyed it other than a few rhythmic mess ups! Plus I'm a huge fresh prince fan! Peace,Vann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V O R K Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I didn't realize the whole game had to be catered to 10-year olds only. Yes, the age policy is easily bypassed however that only shows they'd want to gamble in the first place. Holding a wager is on your own responsibility, if said player expects to double his bank by betting it and loses it that's a good life leason learnt. Better to realize it at a young age in a game instead of in maturity. . "Think of the children! Will somebody please think of the children!?" RWT'ers have been farming green dragons since they were there, compared to former bot infestions... W2 isn't even full. Keep the small niche and the players that enjoy it to do their thing :shrug: As I stated earlier, I want to see it out of Player-owned hands completely and in an NPC-controlled setting. Sway all day, Butterfly flaps all the way! ✿ ♥‿♥) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Sorry Thorin, we'll get to saving your kingdom and defeating the dragon in a bit, just gotta make bank with this flower host.They played riddle games instead. Now there's a game that takes skill.This reminds me of a puzzle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V O R K Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 And on a sidenote: what a flawed reality if all gamblers are instantly addicts or ignorant children. 2 Sway all day, Butterfly flaps all the way! ✿ ♥‿♥) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top25 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Can it be true? 10/10 jagex, keep it up. Scamming is scamming, and while some people like Vann might be legit, gambling as a whole in rs is just damaging the community.sorry but there's no such thing as legit gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 This reminds me of a puzzle!Is it bad that I would play LaytonScape without a second thought? 1 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Noob Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Is your kid's name Minivann? Firstly, bwhahahaha. XD! Secondly, I'm with Mercifull, I'm so glad I don't have to be at the ge and be flooded with multiple people spamming the "h/c x2!! First bet is x3". So very annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 It concentrates a large portion of money in a small group, and so causes new items to start at ridiculous prices as gamblers can afford to pay billions for them.thy could acumulate money from monster drops, working in small pvm clansNot quite the same thing because PvM is still based on monster drop and the availability for monsters. There's still the chance of drop, spawn rate and how fast the kills are made.A group of 5 gambler for example can get the entire bank of more than 100 players a day. A group of 5 doing PvM can't get the same kind of income from doing nex based on the odds of drops.Now if Nex was easier, the spawn was faster and the drop rates were better then perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Not only is this move nonsensical on the grounds that H/C to this point has not been against the rules (nor necessarily against the "spirit of the game"*) but this move is far too delayed. H/C has been out for how long, now? Jagex has basically, quietly given it their blessing to continue for so long by letting it permit. It seems silly to be just now take actions after all this time. Putting that aside, even if they have genuinely changed their minds now, surely they should have done it appropriately? By that I mean, proscribe it first, then start muting/banning people. Don't just randomly start muting people for an activity which you have intentionally turned a blind eye to, for so long. At the very least, give them an opportunity to stop. So even if I agree with the principle, the way that they are implementing it is most disagreeable. Also, it is not enough simply to ban advertising of such activities. The activities themselves, must be forbidden (meaning, remove the randomized ability of flowers and similar items). If you ban advertising the ability, but still allow the material means by which gambling takes place, then all you're doing is pushing this into the black market -- that's even more dangerous, people will then start going to pernicious and vulturous sites or IRCs. Also, criminalizing H/C is not good enough, as far as I am concerned. Jagex has some nerve banning private methods of gambling while still operating their avaricious Dueling Arena. I have absolutely no problem with removing Gambling from RS for the interest of players, particularly younger players. It's a commendable move. But if that's what we are aiming for, then staking, too, must go. * The reason I said it is not necessarily against the "spirit of the game" is because staking has been a part of RS for years. RS has always had gambling (aside from 2008-2011). It's a little bit farcical to suggest now, while the Dueling Arena still exists and has existed for years, that gambling is against the "spirit of the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanders Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 These lyrics are dedicated to Vann: Now this is the story all about howMy life got flipped, turned upside downAnd I'd like to take a minutejust sit right there I'll tell you how this stupid update is not even fair In West Varrock area, Grand ExchangeNear the wall is where I planted most of my seedsChilling out, planting, cleaning all foolsShowing off my cashpile, damn I'm coolWhen Jagex came out "bye gambling for good"Started muting homies for planting flowersI got in one little fight with Tansuo, I'm scaredNow I need to move my ass to make my own money and that's not fairI sang this on the portal tune for some reason. It worked. 2480+ total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I didn't realize the whole game had to be catered to 10-year olds only. Yes, the age policy is easily bypassed however that only shows they'd want to gamble in the first place. Holding a wager is on your own responsibility, if said player expects to double his bank by betting it and loses it that's a good life leason learnt. Better to realize it at a young age in a game instead of in maturity. . "Think of the children! Will somebody please think of the children!?" RWT'ers have been farming green dragons since they were there, compared to former bot infestions... W2 isn't even full. Keep the small niche and the players that enjoy it to do their thing :shrug: As I stated earlier, I want to see it out of Player-owned hands completely and in an NPC-controlled setting. What post of mine did you read? I said nothing about the whole game being catered to 10 year olds, nor that 100% of gamblers or addicts or children. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Sorry Thorin, we'll get to saving your kingdom and defeating the dragon in a bit, just gotta make bank with this flower host.They played riddle games instead. Now there's a game that takes skill.This reminds me of a puzzle! Please, let's make a riddle game around RuneScape Ports and pirates! Oh wait... [hide][/hide] | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliable Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I love how so many people up are so up in how "morally wrong" hosting is. I'm sorry, but if hosts find a way to make money by gambling at a much higher rate than anything else in RS, then good for them, they are SMART people. I'm sorry but if I have the choice to make 1b in 1 hour by hosting, or make the same 1b by nexing for 1 week, I'll chose the 1 hour. It's simply baffling that people seem to take the "moral high road" over a bloody game. I don't host or participate in flower games, but I have staked in the past. I turned 100m into 21b in literally 5 days of staking. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have made this money otherwise, because I personally don't like bossing, especially for months on end. Even if I did, I'd rather make money in an efficient manner. I don't lose sleep at night over making money faster in a game. And to be honest, even the RWT factor I don't see how people can really blame. Game morals don't help pay the bills, and if people want to take advantage of their profits in a game (which literally is NOT doing anything illegal, as the gp is still in sole possession of Jagex), then all the power to them. Tbh, if I wasn't so afraid of getting my account banned at the time, I could have made a killing, paid off some school debt etc. Instead, I lost a good majority of it to Ddosing, sucks to be me. You can hate my comments all you want but take a step back and look at what you're debating. You're not out in a school playground offering card games for kid's lunch money, you are playing a video game... Even Pokemon games have gambling (though NA versions eventually had to change this due to a lawsuit) with slot machines and such. It's a VIDEO GAME, and if people want to say that it can effect people's real lives as well, the same can be said for so many other factors of Runescape (Losing money merchanting can be compared to losing money in stock market, staking to casinos, hell, even getting pked can be related to getting mugged if you want to stretch it as much as you guys are). I think it's time to start blaming the people for their own problems, instead of trying to put Styrofoam on every corner of life to make it "such a safe place". People need to learn from mistakes, not be hidden from reality and having to learn these mistakes later on in life when things actually matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubs Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 tl;dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangrina Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I love how so many people up are so up in how "morally wrong" hosting is. People need to learn from mistakes, not be hidden from reality and having to learn these mistakes later on in life when things actually matter. Are you actually admitting that in your opinion hosting is "morally wrong" since you say "people need to learn from mistakes"? If hosting and gambling were good things, there's no mistake to be learned from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliable Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I love how so many people up are so up in how "morally wrong" hosting is. People need to learn from mistakes, not be hidden from reality and having to learn these mistakes later on in life when things actually matter. Are you actually admitting that in your opinion hosting is "morally wrong" since you say "people need to learn from mistakes"? If hosting and gambling were good things, there's no mistake to be learned from. Actually, I'm referring to people who get cleaned by gambling, they need to learn from their mistakes by knowing when to stop. I don't see how that falls under "morally wrong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I love how so many people up are so up in how "morally wrong" hosting is. People need to learn from mistakes, not be hidden from reality and having to learn these mistakes later on in life when things actually matter. Are you actually admitting that in your opinion hosting is "morally wrong" since you say "people need to learn from mistakes"? If hosting and gambling were good things, there's no mistake to be learned from. Actually, I'm referring to people who get cleaned by gambling, they need to learn from their mistakes by knowing when to stop. I don't see how that falls under "morally wrong".You're enabling self-destructive behaviour? Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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