I mean really did he just trade all the wealth to gold sellers? Should have just given them pid and done 20b poly stakes.

People have been banned for RWT through staking before on assumption. If you lose a large quantity of gold staking to someone whose IP has been flagged for being involved in RWT in the past, that is enough for them to ban you, whether you actually sold gold or not.

 

He would have had to have sold his gp to someone who didn't live in Asia and who hadn't had an account flagged for RWT before (or whose IP/VPN had changed since then). And most Europeans/Americans/Canadians flip gp without running bot farms (obviously some do, but the majority) and don't have the funds to buy vast quantities of gp at short notice, so he probably thought [bleep] it and resorted to the sites that do run bot farms as well and do have the resources to quickly buy 70b.

 

From the Zybez Forum.

 

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Edit: Made 14k dollar?.. MY HERO!

 

Lmfao at Pesty Cakes in chatbox.

Lol, ran into someone at G.E. who was talking about waiting for md3w to log in so that she could trade some blue partyhats for some crackers.

Good luck with that!

I eventually lost most of my banks doing 10bil stakes because I was bored.

 

So in short, you do feel that it is more impressive to do a 10b stake then to spend 15+ hours a day merching the ge and w2.

 

Shame you were not friends with md3w though, could of given him some tips on getting "cleaned" in the end :P

It is always funny for people to claim I rwt despite pretty much all my big losses being videoed.

But if it makes you feel better about your play style to assume I cheat then fine.

I apologize if that is what you inferred but my intention was not to insinuate that you rwt.

Yeah there are 6 players from Efficiency Experts who have been banned this wave, a little bit of a shock to be honest.

At this point I'm starting to wonder if maxed rule breakers are the majority... :razz:

 

Would not surprise me.

I think the main difference Rufioso is trying to impart is that merching items (along with bossing too) are healthier forms of making money, as opposed to staking. This is because there is no factor of getting lucky. I understand there are things you can do at the duel arena to make you more likely to win which requires knowledge, but definitely not to the same extent as merching items.

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

 

Sorry forgive my ignorance here but what are these scripts used for exactly and why do you feel the need to declare them as 'legal'?

I think the main difference Rufioso is trying to impart is that merching items (along with bossing too) are healthier forms of making money, as opposed to staking. This is because there is no factor of getting lucky. I understand there are things you can do at the duel arena to make you more likely to win which requires knowledge, but definitely not to the same extent as merching items.

 

Merching hasn't required intelligence or skill of any sort ever since Zarfot published the definitive guide on it years ago. Before Zarfot, it was not widely known, and so it took intelligence and some skill. That was years ago though. Zarfot has published all the tips and tricks on how to merchant with ease, provided you're literate enough to read his guide (not exactly a difficult feat). Since that time, everyone has known about it, and there are hundreds of clans that you can join that will teach you everything, and they even have their own little guides. So no, merchanting is not some skillful activity.

Permed for dungeoneering bot. Cancelled subscription as I figure it's probs not worth appealing. Was hoping they could just reset a lot of my skills if they were mad.

 

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

"Because rules are for players"

If you look *really* closely, you'll notice the rule is for player-run games of chances, not for *all* games of chance.

 

If you read my post, you would have hopefully seen I was making an interpretation of those rules... and to be blunt, it really makes no difference if the rule says player-run games of chance and not for 'all' games of chance does it, gambling in or using an outside source on Runescape is ban-able so why have SOF. But then again, I suppose if your the boss you can make one rule for the masses and it does not apply to yourself, bit hypocritical don't you think?

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

Sorry forgive my ignorance here but what are these scripts used for exactly and why do you feel the need to declare them as 'legal'?

I have never used AHK (auto hotkeys) so I don't have first hand knowledge but from what I gather, it's a program that allows you to program different functions for any key on your keyboard. It can be as simple as "press-x to click" and as complex as "press-x to search the screen for npc's, look for available ones and attack" or beyond. Jagex has stated it's legal so long as you follow the 1 input = 1 output rule meaning is you click a key, it does 1 click ingame such as rightclick, and as long as you use relative movements (click x to move cursor down 10 pixils) rather than definite (click x to engage quickprayers, regardless of the cursor's starting point). In this way, it's essentially just a more useful form of mousekeys. Hedgehog can declare them as legal because she (she, right?) likely has access to the code for all of the official scripts offered on the XPW website and can verify that they don't break the 2 rules put forward by Jagex.

Merching hasn't required intelligence or skill of any sort ever since Zarfot published the definitive guide on it years ago. Before Zarfot, it was not widely known, and so it took intelligence and some skill. That was years ago though. Zarfot has published all the tips and tricks on how to merchant with ease, provided you're literate enough to read his guide (not exactly a difficult feat). Since that time, everyone has known about it, and there are hundreds of clans that you can join that will teach you everything, and they even have their own little guides. So no, merchanting is not some skillful activity.

Merchanting long predates Zarfot. Buy low sell high is not exactly a revolutionary idea either..

 

Whether it requires intelligence or skill is debateable. However merchanting to 20 crackers & 2 party hat sets as pictured above certainly should be bestowed the same recognition as grinding to the upper ranks of the highscores - something which can in most cases without debate, be seen as not requiring skill nor intelligence.

Md3w no lifed more consistently over the past 2 years than most people currently on the front page. He just had different goals.

Md3w no lifed more consistently over the past 2 years than most people currently on the front page. He just had different goals.

That's pretty much what I was getting at. In a grind-based highscores system, he should definitely be up there.

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

Sorry forgive my ignorance here but what are these scripts used for exactly and why do you feel the need to declare them as 'legal'?

I have never used AHK (auto hotkeys) so I don't have first hand knowledge but from what I gather, it's a program that allows you to program different functions for any key on your keyboard. It can be as simple as "press-x to click" and as complex as "press-x to search the screen for npc's, look for available ones and attack" or beyond. Jagex has stated it's legal so long as you follow the 1 input = 1 output rule meaning is you click a key, it does 1 click ingame such as rightclick, and as long as you use relative movements (click x to move cursor down 10 pixils) rather than definite (click x to engage quickprayers, regardless of the cursor's starting point). In this way, it's essentially just a more useful form of mousekeys. Hedgehog can declare them as legal because she (she, right?) likely has access to the code for all of the official scripts offered on the XPW website and can verify that they don't break the 2 rules put forward by Jagex.

XPW doesn't offer any scripts. We just have a thread where people post them. It is against our rules to post an illegal script.

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

"Because rules are for players"

If you look *really* closely, you'll notice the rule is for player-run games of chances, not for *all* games of chance.

 

If you read my post, you would have hopefully seen I was making an interpretation of those rules... and to be blunt, it really makes no difference if the rule says player-run games of chance and not for 'all' games of chance does it, gambling in or using an outside source on Runescape is ban-able so why have SOF. But then again, I suppose if your the boss you can make one rule for the masses and it does not apply to yourself, bit hypocritical don't you think?

Your point being?

They don't want people doing player-run games of chances because scamming became much too common (Probably not the only reason tbh.)

You don't get scammed by using the SoF.

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

"Because rules are for players"

If you look *really* closely, you'll notice the rule is for player-run games of chances, not for *all* games of chance.

 

If you read my post, you would have hopefully seen I was making an interpretation of those rules... and to be blunt, it really makes no difference if the rule says player-run games of chance and not for 'all' games of chance does it, gambling in or using an outside source on Runescape is ban-able so why have SOF. But then again, I suppose if your the boss you can make one rule for the masses and it does not apply to yourself, bit hypocritical don't you think?

 

It's not hypocritical at all, it's the property's owner telling the gamblers they can't build a casino on the land he owns bordering his own casino.

It's not hypocritical at all, it's the property's owner telling the gamblers they can't build a casino on the land he owns bordering his own casino.

 

That's not entirely accurate. A more realistic comparison would be the property owner running a couple of slot machines, and then outlawing all other forms of gambling whilst on his land. The property owner concurrently stigmatising said other forms of gambling.

 

XPW doesn't offer any scripts. We just have a thread where people post them. It is against our rules to post an illegal script.

 

Not trying to start shit, but I had a look and there are quite a number of clearly illegal scripts on the XPW forums, and many more in quite a grey area. Though I think when there are posts talking about "normal distribution" and "undetectability", things are moving out of the grey and into the black.

 

I'm not saying the scripts are in any way endorsed by XPW, but they're still present.

They may be against the spirit of the game, but they're not illegal. Please do not insinuate that our tolerance of AHK scripts is anyway a reflection of our attitude towards botting. We are, and have always been, against botting and any other illegal activities.

They may be against the spirit of the game, but they're not illegal. Please do not insinuate that our tolerance of AHK scripts is anyway a reflection of our attitude towards botting. We are, and have always been, against botting and any other illegal activities.

Maybe I've made a mistake, but I saw quite a few simple scripts that clearly break the 1:1 input:output rule. The greyness comes from absolute cursor positions, and using images to search for things in the game interface.

 

I was not actually trying to insinuate that you support botting, and I'm not particurlarly invested in this debae, I was just stating there are illegal scripts on XPW. Even one of your posts contains a clearly not 1:1, and thusly illegal script. I did say that I wasn't suggesting they're endorsed by XPW, just present.

It's not hypocritical at all, it's the property's owner telling the gamblers they can't build a casino on the land he owns bordering his own casino.

 

That's not entirely accurate. A more realistic comparison would be the property owner running a couple of slot machines, and then outlawing all other forms of gambling whilst on his land. The property owner concurrently stigmatising said other forms of gambling.

 

My aim was not accuracy, but to demonstrate that there is no hypocrisy here save for in the minds of the masses that believe Jagex is some kind of turncoat breaking their nonexistent oath of never offering a gambling service.

Permed for dungeoneering bot. Cancelled subscription as I figure it's probs not worth appealing. Was hoping they could just reset a lot of my skills if they were mad.

 

136K xp/hour at level 115 dg?

You wasted $25 on that, along with all the months of membership you paid for till that banned happened.

 

Was worth it, amirite?

I think the main difference Rufioso is trying to impart is that merching items (along with bossing too) are healthier forms of making money, as opposed to staking. This is because there is no factor of getting lucky. I understand there are things you can do at the duel arena to make you more likely to win which requires knowledge, but definitely not to the same extent as merching items.

 

Merching hasn't required intelligence or skill of any sort ever since Zarfot published the definitive guide on it years ago. Before Zarfot, it was not widely known, and so it took intelligence and some skill. That was years ago though. Zarfot has published all the tips and tricks on how to merchant with ease, provided you're literate enough to read his guide (not exactly a difficult feat). Since that time, everyone has known about it, and there are hundreds of clans that you can join that will teach you everything, and they even have their own little guides. So no, merchanting is not some skillful activity.

I haven't seen this Zarfot guide, I'll check it out. Also I just wanted to say that, to this day, I still get pm's asking how to flip items, which is the most basic and easiest form of merchanting. I cannot judge how difficult it is to do but I can say that there are people who need help, or think they need it.

 

Regardless of how difficult it is, the point I was trying to make is that merchanting does not rely on luck as heavily as staking does. Yes there is definitely an element to it, but nowhere near as significant as staking.

een this Zarfot guide, I'll check it out. Also I just wanted to say that, to this day, I still get pm's asking how to flip items, which is the most basic and easiest form of merchanting. I cannot judge how difficult it is to do but I can say that there are people who need help, or think they need it.

 

There are people who will ask you for all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are skillful or hard. This game still has new players and newbs, you know. I still get people pm'ing me about Cook's Assistant, but that doesn't mean it's a particularly hard thing to do. :wink:

 

Regardless of how difficult it is, the point I was trying to make is that merchanting does not rely on luck as heavily as staking does. Yes there is definitely an element to it, but nowhere near as significant as staking.

 

That's quite true. Staking is far more risky than merching.