But it is also far more profitable and fun (that really is not subjective before someone tries to be 'that guy', standing around buying/selling the same item for 15 hours a day vs staking...)

 

Oh and don't get me wrong, aside from like the first page of the highscores, Md3w's achievements are FAR more impressive than mindlessly grinding 200ms.

 

Also take anything he said he had with a pinch of salt, was a compulsive lier, and although I am sure the 20 crackers is real, stuff he claims to have over that/what people have seen I really doubt. Same goes for how much he sold, could be anywhere from only getting like 1 cracker rwted before ban and is too embarrassed, or he managed to sell it all for a lot more than he says just to avoid maximum hate.

Uh no none of that ^ is "legal". Jagex has been VERY clear that one input must = one output, anything else is cheating.

 

Now I really don't care personally, but don't argue that it is "borderline" when jagex has been very clear that that is not allowed lol.

 

 

To clarify, Md3w was banned for RWT prior to this incident, not for botting.

 

There is the usual controversy where several of these players' friends claim that they'd never bot etc. particularly in the case of Tugn.

 

 

Why does this guy claim top 10 merchers when ive never heard of him

Md3w uggg.

He made like 50m a day from standing on w2 for like 2 years, got a decent bank ~30-40b from this, but really considering the time he played (like 15 hours a day just trying to flip 1-2 blue hats a day) was not very impressive.

His big break was selling his huge amount of crackers/blues/other items to the gold dupers for REALLY high prices, made like 50b from it (he even bought like 7 back on the ge or something stupid like that).

 

 

 

What is the sudden ban wave for, is it anything specific? Botting or rwting or just both, but focused on maxed accounts.

Because apple still is not banned L.

 

If you think world 2 merching for 15 hours a day for multiple years to amass over 200b gp is unimpressive, then doing a few big stakes and winning billions per day must look like shit comparatively.

 

edit- thought I'd add 50m/day would take 11 years for md3w to make the ~205b bank he left with.

 

I also was not an md3w fan, mostly out of jealousy. But I do think it's funny a staker is saying his merching was unimpressive.

why do you think that? I made (and lost) far more than him in far less time. Earning the same amount in way less time is much more impressive, Md3w is one of the least impressive rich rs players.

And didn't you read the bit about me saying his big break was the gold dupers.

Making 50m a day is unimpressive to any stakers, Md3w was rare in that he stuck to a decently profitable method (decent, not the best) and kept to it solidly no lifing for years, only impressive thing. Even most merchants lose their cash to playing (not allowed in rs) with their cash staking etc.

Md3w never took ANY risks, ever. It payed off but to most people that would have been extremely boring, I eventually lost most of my banks doing 10bil stakes because I was bored.

Also he kept trying to rip me off on cracker/hat sales >:/, like constantly he would offer 50-100m below market, became a running joke to add 50-100m to whatever md3w was offering for the market price.

 

So you think making wealth is only impressive when you make it in short time taking huge risks? Frankly I don't see much of anything impressive in making massive amounts of money staking and then losing it all. Yeah, if you can make 200b staking without losing it - then I'm impressed. But I'll keep waiting for your bank picture.

 

Calling 20 crackers, 2 phat sets and what not unimpressive sounds like sour grapes to me. If you really need to pat yourself on the back and imagine how much better you are than everyone else, then do me a favour and take it somewhere else. Undervaluing other peoples achievements just to boast your own is not cool.

Again read what I have said, he only made 30-40b 'legit' then worked with the gold dupers to get most of his bank. And when he got those 20 crackers they were only 70-80b, all rares have exploded in price.

And why is getting 200b and then losing it less impressive than keeping it, just proves you where only there to count numbers going up (or to rwt...) rather than having fun.

Again read what I have said, he only made 30-40b 'legit' then worked with the gold dupers to get most of his bank. And when he got those 20 crackers they were only 70-80b, all rares have exploded in price.

And why is getting 200b and then losing it less impressive than keeping it, just proves you where only there to count numbers going up (or to rwt...) rather than having fun.

 

I read what you said, thank you.

 

In what parallel universe is 30-40b considered "only" in this game? I have maybe 2b bank and I played forever to get there. In my eyes merchanting to 30-40b is massive achievement. Damn, in my eyes getting that party hat I always wanted was a massive achievement. Atleast it was for me.

 

Next, what does "working with" gold dupers actually mean? He bought crackers when they were 70-80b (again enormous amount of wealth) and ever since price has gone up that means he worked with the gold dupers? Did I work with the gold dupers cause the red partyhat I bought for 1,6b is now worth 2,1b? Did you work with gold dupers when you did your stakes and made your bank? I'm sure whatever you made there must be worth alot more now (assuming you didn't lose everything).

 

What does having fun mean? Staking and losing all? I would have no fun whatsoever doing that. Fun is relative term and people have different ways of measuring it. I for one would be alot more proud of having merchanted to 200b than staking it. I would be happy to have merchanted even 1b, which I've never quite succeeded with. And if you got to 200b and then lost it for whatever cause it's very well done. Looking at your signature and the things you've said makes it pretty clear to me that you like showing off. Now you can probably show me that picture of your 200b bank? I'm sure you took atleast one picture when you were at your peak?

 

Also staking and merchanting are two different ways, you can't really compare that achievement wise. They're that different.

 

And just a word of advice. I don't know you or Md3w. I don't support the fact he RWT'd his money, I'm only here to defend the achievement of merchanting bank up to 200b. If you want yourself or your own achievements look better, don't ever do it undervaluing others. Being proud of what you have achieved is alright, we all are proud of something I'm sure, but you should use a little common sense how you show it to others. Otherwise you're going to have one rocky road ahead of you trying to make it in the real life...

Wait, so we're complimenting a player banned for botting/rwting? I'm gonna be blunt and say he deserves nothing of the sort.

I'm sorry to say, but I was a staker for a while myself, and managed to at least hit 25b doing so.

 

I will always consider someone making even 1b from merchanting, herb runs, bossing, etc much more impressive than the 25b I made from 100m in 2 weeks, even if it took them 1 year to make.

 

Staking was (mostly) luck, and was almost entirely effortless, versus spending much more time and effort sitting in world 2 trying to flip phats.

 

Anyways, on the botting subject, I have absolutely no sympathy for any of those bans, especially completionist botters. If you really need to have a program play your game for you at that kind of level, then you shouldn't be playing the game.

When you are talking about the richest rs players, 30-40b is "only" in that context, compared to some peoples 500b+ made generally from being a flower/dice clan owner (or more rarely staking, but I don't actually know of anyone who has made that much purely from staking).

By working with, I mean he directly sold all of his items at vastly inflated prices to the gold dupers in exchange for buying more rares to sell to them while they duped.

 

 

 

Also interestingly it looks like the age of the uber uber rich has ended in runescape, with gambling being killed off and staking a shadow of its former self, no one is becoming insanely rich.

Permed for dungeoneering bot. Cancelled subscription as I figure it's probs not worth appealing. Was hoping they could just reset a lot of my skills if they were mad.

 

 

 

Don't let the door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

Also interestingly it looks like the age of the uber uber rich has ended in runescape, with gambling being killed off and staking a shadow of its former self, no one is becoming insanely rich.

Or the end of the get rich quick era.

It's always good to see botters/RWT'ers getting caught. :thumbup:

Also interestingly it looks like the age of the uber uber rich has ended in runescape, with gambling being killed off and staking a shadow of its former self, no one is becoming insanely rich.

Or the end of the get rich quick era.

 

Only problem here - like with pretty much any nerf/update/ban Jagex does - is that it is too little and too late. Too many already managed to get huge adventage hosting flowers, botting, RWTing, hoarding effigies, warbanding and all the other things Jagex decided to nerf after them already being implemented in the game for months or even years. With that being said the rich just get richer (relatively) and the gap between very rich and average player grows, cause the methods how this wealth was accumulated doesn't exist anymore.

 

Of course I'm very happy with all the actions they take (better late than ever) against botters, RWT's and other rulebreakers, but I can't help wondering how it took them this long again.

But they have made up for it with (correctly) banning all the super rich players.

There are people with 40-50b+ left I am sure.

But the KOs, WADs and Fishy's have been banned, and even the super rich who have not been banned have rwted what they have left, but no longer have income sources so are no longer rich (Apple, Lucky D).

 

The gap between the super rich and the average player is falling massively.

 

I still cannot believe how incompetent they were/are with catching RWTers, the massive gold farmers might be difficult, but the individual super rich players should be really easy to catch.

But they have made up for it with (correctly) banning all the super rich players.

There are people with 40-50b+ left I am sure.

But the KOs, WADs and Fishy's have been banned, and even the super rich who have not been banned have rwted what they have left, but no longer have income sources so are no longer rich (Apple, Lucky D).

 

The gap between the super rich and the average player is falling massively.

 

I still cannot believe how incompetent they were/are with catching RWTers, the massive gold farmers might be difficult, but the individual super rich players should be really easy to catch.

 

I think there is alot more than meets the eye in the category of "super rich RS players". I think that the vocal group who posted bank pictures and so on was the minority, and there still is alot of people who accumulated massive amounts of wealth either by staking/hosting/merchanting. Not many knows about them because they aren't boasting about it on every turn and if they RWT they do it carefully enough that it's hard to notice. We're talking about a game with tens of thousands of accounts online on any given time after all. :)

It is not really possible to become uber rich without drawing attention to yourself.

Big stakers get noticed, big merchants like md3w get noticed, and obviously clan owners get noticed even if they they try to avoid it (KO for example).

Methods like GE flipping you can keep quiet and rich, but not Uber rich.

 

All the consistent big stakers know each other, and it is really not possible to hide your wealth if you are that rich, people do work out who is buying loads of rares for example.

All this talk about being rich and uber rich has me wondering, if you can nolife your way to 200b why couldn't you apply that same focus to doing something in life legally, like inventing a product where there is need in a market. Whilst RWT for 14k in real life (as wrong as it is) is nice, I wonder if you could have turned that 14k into 140K+ by putting your focus into say starting a business?

 

Guess it doesn't matter. if you can get 14k from a game you are losing interest in then why not?

Also interestingly it looks like the age of the uber uber rich has ended in runescape, with gambling being killed off and staking a shadow of its former self, no one is becoming insanely rich.

 

All this talk about being rich and uber rich has me wondering, if you can nolife your way to 200b why couldn't you apply that same focus to doing something in life legally, like inventing a product where there is need in a market. Whilst RWT for 14k in real life (as wrong as it is) is nice, I wonder if you could have turned that 14k into 140K+ by putting your focus into say starting a business?

 

Guess it doesn't matter. if you can get 14k from a game you are losing interest in then why not?

 

Because real life is not anywhere near as easy or straightforward as Runescape. Runescape is about reading easy-to-access and free guides and then repeating some monotonous action. Even Staking, is grinding (the most common strategy, the Martingale, is at least), you read a guide, and then you master ping and stuff and you just hope for good luck. That's all there is to it. Real life is far more complex.

All this talk about being rich and uber rich has me wondering, if you can nolife your way to 200b why couldn't you apply that same focus to doing something in life legally, like inventing a product where there is need in a market. Whilst RWT for 14k in real life (as wrong as it is) is nice, I wonder if you could have turned that 14k into 140K+ by putting your focus into say starting a business?

 

Guess it doesn't matter. if you can get 14k from a game you are losing interest in then why not?

 

Because real life is not anywhere near as easy or straightforward as Runescape. Runescape is about reading easy-to-access and free guides and then repeating some monotonous action. Even Staking, is grinding (the most common strategy, the Martingale, is at least), you read a guide, and then you master ping and stuff and you just hope for good luck. That's all there is to it. Real life is far more complex.

 

Also, it's a lot easier to commit to "work" in RS than "work" in RL.

Guess I'm too much of a dreamer then. If I could get away with what some of these guys do, I'd be looking to apply my talents to real life and see what happens. Meh.

No one relevant to this topic actually stakes with Martingale. Most of the time you stake approximately the same amount each time. If you vary the amounts then you might get unlucky and lose on the spike stakes. If you keep it constant eventually the maths will do its thing and your advantage will cause you to profit.

So the Number 1 Player on 07 SCAPE, Razzeh was banned for massive amounts of RWT

 

To Break it down:

 

> Staked/Diced on Razzeh (EOC)

> Sold his gold to buyers/the Chinese

> Exchanged various amounts of EOC gold to 07 SCAPE gold via GP Swap clans/services on the RS Forums

> Used that exchanged gold to mass level up his Razzeh (07 SCAPE) account

> Several weeks of this process led to being ranked 1 on 07 SCAPE highscores

> Tells his fans that he "will quit once he reaches 2k total on 07 SCAPE)

> Reaches/close to reaching 2K total

> Starts botting at Automaton Guardians/Tracers

> cya m8 perm banned

 

The legacy of Md3w lives on-

 

So the Number 1 Player on 07 SCAPE, Razzeh was banned for massive amounts of RWT

 

To Break it down:

 

> Staked/Diced on Razzeh (EOC)

> Sold his gold to buyers/the Chinese

> Exchanged various amounts of EOC gold to 07 SCAPE gold via GP Swap clans/services on the RS Forums

> Used that exchanged gold to mass level up his Razzeh (07 SCAPE) account

> Several weeks of this process led to being ranked 1 on 07 SCAPE highscores

> Tells his fans that he "will quit once he reaches 2k total on 07 SCAPE)

> Reaches/close to reaching 2K total

> Starts botting at Automaton Guardians/Tracers

> cya m8 perm banned

 

 

This is terrible. Not saying EOC is easier due to SOF/more free exp or that their isn't RWT on old school, but how in his rabbit mind did he think he could get away with that crazy exp gain without red flags? Did he not think to do it in moderation?

So the Number 1 Player on 07 SCAPE, Razzeh was banned for massive amounts of RWT

 

To Break it down:

 

> Staked/Diced on Razzeh (EOC)

> Sold his gold to buyers/the Chinese

> Exchanged various amounts of EOC gold to 07 SCAPE gold via GP Swap clans/services on the RS Forums

> Used that exchanged gold to mass level up his Razzeh (07 SCAPE) account

> Several weeks of this process led to being ranked 1 on 07 SCAPE highscores

> Tells his fans that he "will quit once he reaches 2k total on 07 SCAPE)

> Reaches/close to reaching 2K total

> Starts botting at Automaton Guardians/Tracers

> cya m8 perm banned

 

 

This is terrible. Not saying EOC is easier due to SOF/more free exp or that their isn't RWT on old school, but how in his rabbit mind did he think he could get away with that crazy exp gain without red flags? Did he not think to do it in moderation?

 

He probably just didn't care. If one is willing to resort to botting I doubt his account is too important to him in the grand scheme of things.

So the Number 1 Player on 07 SCAPE, Razzeh was banned for massive amounts of RWT

 

To Break it down:

 

> Staked/Diced on Razzeh (EOC)

> Sold his gold to buyers/the Chinese

> Exchanged various amounts of EOC gold to 07 SCAPE gold via GP Swap clans/services on the RS Forums

> Used that exchanged gold to mass level up his Razzeh (07 SCAPE) account

> Several weeks of this process led to being ranked 1 on 07 SCAPE highscores

> Tells his fans that he "will quit once he reaches 2k total on 07 SCAPE)

> Reaches/close to reaching 2K total

> Starts botting at Automaton Guardians/Tracers

> cya m8 perm banned

 

 

This is terrible. Not saying EOC is easier due to SOF/more free exp or that their isn't RWT on old school, but how in his rabbit mind did he think he could get away with that crazy exp gain without red flags? Did he not think to do it in moderation?

The last known bans happened in December

These bans Happened 3-4 days ago, and we're in the month of June

 

If there haven't been any massive/known bans within a 6 month time period, I'm guessing they assumed they would go un-noticed.

 

Sketchy how all these bans happen right before RS3 is being released along with Divination.