Didn't they say like 75% + accounts have been shared at least once?

I think they let that as risk vs reward tbh I think its less harmful to other players than the other rules.

I'm much like Stev when it comes to my personal policies on how others should play the game. I fully understand that bots will happen in any game that botting is plausible. That's a fact of gaming that's unescapable. I've never personally, being an 8 year player of the game, been into racing to a goal, I play leisurely when I can. I've never once thought about botting. Others may find the game boring and just want the notoriety (sp?) of being a top player for a short while. Others still may thoroughly enjoy the game like myself, but are fortunate enough to share the same passion for the same game as someone they trust, thus account sharing happens.

 

I'm by no means justifying what they did, nor am I saying Jagex should go with a "no holds barred" style of judgment when it comes to these types of offenses, I'm simply saying that people can get around rules, and they'll inevitably do what they want no matter the punishment. I see no reason for anyone to care that these players, who clearly violated Jagex rules, got banned. I myself don't necessarily have a problem with it, because I understand I'm just one tiny speck of a percentage of the community, I know my opinion matters little and I'm not going to change the way I play, but why this topic is so discussed is beyond me!

 

Who cares? Jagex is doing there job. You complain when they do, and you complain when they don't. They can't buy a win at this point.

Updated list:

 

http://puu.sh/3kFHS

List of 150 people, I jumped about 500 ranks over last couple of days with no levels.

Seems that most of these players got banned from

Botting Dungeoneering

Botting at Jadinko Lair

Botting at Thieves Guild

Botting at Runespan

 

The majority being dungeoneering.

 

and Lol.

 

What I love about his story is that he didn't even pick a viable skill to be 'power training' enmass.

I mean even if you DO use all the plots to 'power farm' you've still got like ~1 hour down time between each run and then pittance of xp for the lesser plots means they'd only make a few k difference from just doing tree runs.

 

Farming is like the one skill no-lifing is literally pointless for.

Yeah there are 6 players from Efficiency Experts who have been banned this wave, a little bit of a shock to be honest.

 

Why. David (Lyfe) was a professional gold farmer back in the day. No surprise he returned to it. Not to mention the clan leader :P

My first reaction to the list is boting.

 

My definition of cheating on the game is boting, I don't like it at all, an account on Runescape that can stay there making money or xp chasing while that player is off doing school, work or sleeping is cheating, your not at the computer taking part in the live game so to speak, account sharing though, I do not have a problem with if the account is not on 24/7, and if its not impacting on the community in any way.As far as that rule of should not, well, I guess interpretation is to the individual, it should be reworded to do not, should not means in a way I still can, so it is up to the player whether to do it or not. I do not go through mountains of information on the RS Wiki and I take the report system when I see something I do not agree with in game. It is not there. Account share I mean. Boting is.... So with that, I take it that bots are more of a pain in the proverbial to Jagex. But again that is my interpretation.

 

Again, we have points being raised by a few people on here who have actively participated in account sharing and then cry out that it's against the rules, or even change the topic, well if its not openly said in public as you say, then you as a player can hardly do a report against them. Oh unless it is one of those vendettas by a player against another because of some personal reason. I am quite sure that Jagex is aware of more that what some people assume they do or do not regarding their game, and that they do make some form of communication with the player/players involved and it is again up to the player if it is chosen to be ignored which is why banning comes into affect.

 

 

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

Botted accounts should be banned. People in glass houses should be careful about throwing stones though.

The only positive development to have come out of this story is that at the very least these people were actually botting and not torturing themselves for ridiculous 'achievements' in an imaginary world at the expense of their health and real lives. My sympathies are with them for finally having realized that they were wasting their time. I'm glad that some of them were able to RWT and get as much money out of their addictions as they could. I hope they can all find some fulfillment and lead productive lives outside of RS.

I'm not too surprised by how many EE members were banned. I'm actually surprised there weren't more. I know 2 or 3 others who haven't been banned yet.

Not true. Some people who got banned on old school for botting during the bot busts, who were not botting, have yet to been unbanned. Those were all manual bans, too

To clarify, Md3w was banned for RWT prior to this incident, not for botting.

 

There is the usual controversy where several of these players' friends claim that they'd never bot etc. particularly in the case of Tugn.

 

Why does this guy claim top 10 merchers when ive never heard of him

Md3w uggg.

He made like 50m a day from standing on w2 for like 2 years, got a decent bank ~30-40b from this, but really considering the time he played (like 15 hours a day just trying to flip 1-2 blue hats a day) was not very impressive.

His big break was selling his huge amount of crackers/blues/other items to the gold dupers for REALLY high prices, made like 50b from it (he even bought like 7 back on the ge or something stupid like that).

 

 

 

What is the sudden ban wave for, is it anything specific? Botting or rwting or just both, but focused on maxed accounts.

Because apple still is not banned L.

The ban wave is for botting and use of other macros (like DGS botting start room for the past 3 years).

 

Md3w and Razzeh were banned for RWTing obviously. If Apple were to rwt, I imagine he would have been more intelligent in how he did it.

https://docs.google....b1E&usp=sharing

 

EE has the most bans of any clan >.<

 

Please notify me of any errors I've made. I want this to be accurate.

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

"Because rules are for players"

 

I'm not too surprised by how many EE members were banned. I'm actually surprised there weren't more. I know 2 or 3 others who haven't been banned yet.

 

Yes, it is widely known that most DGS/Xp-Waste/EE and other 'efficient' skilling members discuss, use & promote at very least borderline skilling practices. Most of their inner forums consist of discussion and development of definite macroing (botting) scripts.

The worst part, they do believe they are playing the game, while they have lost it long ago.

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

 

Also the DGS and EE members that were banned legitimately botted, and were not banned for using AHK. Anyone posting otherwise is lying.

Many players are claiming to have been banned for AHK use rather than botting. I assume because using AHK macros that aren't 1:1 are still more 'acceptable' than botting and many of these people have temp bans only and so will come back to RS.

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

 

You know that these include scripts such as 'hit one key and your char will start attacking a specific non-aggressive monster anywhere on screen'. There are also scripts that let you hit a key, and the script does several actions, including waiting until a specific thing happens in-game.

All that is at least borderline practice.

 

While a script that on a single key press automatically drops all items in a few seconds (could do in less than one if rs did not have tick limitations) is apparently legal, other scripts venture directly into macroing territory.

 

Which is what my post was about. They start with small efficiency and anti-cts improvements and before they know it they are afking DG floors. And worse of all, they still think they are legitimately playing the game.

Uh no none of that ^ is "legal". Jagex has been VERY clear that one input must = one output, anything else is cheating.

 

Now I really don't care personally, but don't argue that it is "borderline" when jagex has been very clear that that is not allowed lol.

 

 

To clarify, Md3w was banned for RWT prior to this incident, not for botting.

 

There is the usual controversy where several of these players' friends claim that they'd never bot etc. particularly in the case of Tugn.

 

 

Why does this guy claim top 10 merchers when ive never heard of him

Md3w uggg.

He made like 50m a day from standing on w2 for like 2 years, got a decent bank ~30-40b from this, but really considering the time he played (like 15 hours a day just trying to flip 1-2 blue hats a day) was not very impressive.

His big break was selling his huge amount of crackers/blues/other items to the gold dupers for REALLY high prices, made like 50b from it (he even bought like 7 back on the ge or something stupid like that).

 

 

 

What is the sudden ban wave for, is it anything specific? Botting or rwting or just both, but focused on maxed accounts.

Because apple still is not banned L.

 

If you think world 2 merching for 15 hours a day for multiple years to amass over 200b gp is unimpressive, then doing a few big stakes and winning billions per day must look like shit comparatively.

 

edit- thought I'd add 50m/day would take 11 years for md3w to make the ~205b bank he left with.

 

I also was not an md3w fan, mostly out of jealousy. But I do think it's funny a staker is saying his merching was unimpressive.

All AHK scripts posted on XPW are legal

 

You know that these include scripts such as 'hit one key and your char will start attacking a specific non-aggressive monster anywhere on screen'. There are also scripts that let you hit a key, and the script does several actions, including waiting until a specific thing happens in-game.

All that is at least borderline practice.

 

While a script that on a single key press automatically drops all items in a few seconds (could do in less than one if rs did not have tick limitations) is apparently legal, other scripts venture directly into macroing territory.

 

Which is what my post was about. They start with small efficiency and anti-cts improvements and before they know it they are afking DG floors. And worse of all, they still think they are legitimately playing the game.

I think you're just attacking the community for no reason. You know that those scripts never got anyone banned, you just want to insult my forums. The DGS members that were banned actually used bot clients to train skills. They were not banned for using scripts to speed up their bases.

 

I really don't want to sound like I'm encouraging the use of illegal scripts. AHK is bad (even the legal ones) and I don't think anyone should use macros to facilitate game play.

From the Zybez Forum.

 

 

Edit: Made 14k dollar?.. MY HERO!

We do try to keep all scripts on XP-Waste legal. I know there are non-public AHK bots out there (the thieving one being most widely used), but people will/were not get banned for something like pressing a button to sell 50 arrows to the smuggler - though it is against the rules (as stated above, 1:1). The reason I say they won't be punished is because so long as the people using it aren't moronic, not only will it not be flagged, but it's not severe enough.

 

Though I do know that Jagex's systems have handed out unjust bans, a few of them been to really good friends of mine. :(. None from this instance though.

Uh no none of that ^ is "legal". Jagex has been VERY clear that one input must = one output, anything else is cheating.

 

Now I really don't care personally, but don't argue that it is "borderline" when jagex has been very clear that that is not allowed lol.

 

 

To clarify, Md3w was banned for RWT prior to this incident, not for botting.

 

There is the usual controversy where several of these players' friends claim that they'd never bot etc. particularly in the case of Tugn.

 

 

Why does this guy claim top 10 merchers when ive never heard of him

Md3w uggg.

He made like 50m a day from standing on w2 for like 2 years, got a decent bank ~30-40b from this, but really considering the time he played (like 15 hours a day just trying to flip 1-2 blue hats a day) was not very impressive.

His big break was selling his huge amount of crackers/blues/other items to the gold dupers for REALLY high prices, made like 50b from it (he even bought like 7 back on the ge or something stupid like that).

 

 

 

What is the sudden ban wave for, is it anything specific? Botting or rwting or just both, but focused on maxed accounts.

Because apple still is not banned L.

 

If you think world 2 merching for 15 hours a day for multiple years to amass over 200b gp is unimpressive, then doing a few big stakes and winning billions per day must look like shit comparatively.

 

edit- thought I'd add 50m/day would take 11 years for md3w to make the ~205b bank he left with.

 

I also was not an md3w fan, mostly out of jealousy. But I do think it's funny a staker is saying his merching was unimpressive.

why do you think that? I made (and lost) far more than him in far less time. Earning the same amount in way less time is much more impressive, Md3w is one of the least impressive rich rs players.

And didn't you read the bit about me saying his big break was the gold dupers.

Making 50m a day is unimpressive to any stakers, Md3w was rare in that he stuck to a decently profitable method (decent, not the best) and kept to it solidly no lifing for years, only impressive thing. Even most merchants lose their cash to playing (not allowed in rs) with their cash staking etc.

Md3w never took ANY risks, ever. It payed off but to most people that would have been extremely boring, I eventually lost most of my banks doing 10bil stakes because I was bored.

Also he kept trying to rip me off on cracker/hat sales >:/, like constantly he would offer 50-100m below market, became a running joke to add 50-100m to whatever md3w was offering for the market price.

So with my thoughts of Jagex and their own rules of should not do's, we have SOF a form of gambling which is ban-able in game and yet they encourage participation with wheeling and dealing extraordinaire and a game of chance, being one of their most obvious. I mean every time you log into Runescape, your greeted with the latest advertisement of whats on the wheel. But then again, that too is a matter of interpretation isn't it?

 

"Because rules are for players"

If you look *really* closely, you'll notice the rule is for player-run games of chances, not for *all* games of chance.

I eventually lost most of my banks doing 10bil stakes because I was bored.

 

So in short, you do feel that it is more impressive to do a 10b stake then to spend 15+ hours a day merching the ge and w2.

 

Shame you were not friends with md3w though, could of given him some tips on getting "cleaned" in the end :P