I don't think it' right to have SS yet it is extremely useful! Some (yes only some) 3rd parties are unfair but SS is just not 1 of those and I do not say my first sentence in contradiction I say it's not right because of rule 7. But other than that why not use it? I mean if people did use it a lot Jagex would be less compelled to ban it right? I haven't used it but maybe 1hr and I still enjoyed it. It helped me sell my yews on world 2 and helped buy some natures. It after that helped me pc to get 54 range so what's so bad?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We can't pick and choose, all 3rd party programs should be banned, end of story. Last I checked, being able to switch worlds faster than others is taking advantage of the system.

I'll say it again, collectively for like the 50th time, it does not allow you to get into worlds faster. It also does not allow you into worlds that are full. Jagex set the 30 second limit onto the worlds to prevent this. You have to wait just as long as everyone else to switch worlds. It's not just about the world switcher either, the program has everything conveniently placed at your fingertips. MS paint, auto cropping for pics, calcs for everything, quest guides for everything, skill guides for everything, basicly, all the guides and cals tip.it has with a few more. This does not give ingame advantages which is what Jagex is against. There is nothing wrong with liking convenience. Muggiwhiplar is right is saying that the non-SS'ers are loosing this debate purely because they dont know enough about it to put up a good argument. They go mostly by what they hear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. I've seen it used on several occasions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, if it wasn't faster, why would people use it? After all its called "SWIFTswitch" for a reason, eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When was the last time you used it, then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could care less if the world-selection feature was removed. It automatically crops your screenshots for you AND uploads them for you. That saves so much time. It also has a collection of links to commonly-viewed sites along with an efficient high-scores feature which even shows how much XP you are to the next lvl.

 

 

 

I don't think it' right to have SS yet it is extremely useful! Some (yes only some) 3rd parties are unfair but SS is just not 1 of those and I do not say my first sentence in contradiction I say it's not right because of rule 7. But other than that why not use it? I mean if people did use it a lot Jagex would be less compelled to ban it right? I haven't used it but maybe 1hr and I still enjoyed it. It helped me sell my yews on world 2 and helped buy some natures. It after that helped me pc to get 54 range so what's so bad?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We can't pick and choose, all 3rd party programs should be banned, end of story. Last I checked, being able to switch worlds faster than others is taking advantage of the system.

I'll say it again, collectively for like the 50th time, it does not allow you to get into worlds faster. It also does not allow you into worlds that are full. Jagex set the 30 second limit onto the worlds to prevent this. You have to wait just as long as everyone else to switch worlds. It's not just about the world switcher either, the program has everything conveniently placed at your fingertips. MS paint, auto cropping for pics, calcs for everything, quest guides for everything, skill guides for everything, basicly, all the guides and cals tip.it has with a few more. This does not give ingame advantages which is what Jagex is against. There is nothing wrong with liking convenience. Muggiwhiplar is right is saying that the non-SS'ers are loosing this debate purely because they dont know enough about it to put up a good argument. They go mostly by what they hear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. I've seen it used on several occasions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, if it wasn't faster, why would people use it? After all its called "SWIFTswitch" for a reason, eh?

Did you not read the rest? Most of the reason I use it is not for the world switching, and I'm not sure what you saw, but the timer still goes down the same as it does for anybody else. I use SS for IRC and for all of its conveniently placed calculators and easy picture taking. If you don't want to use it due to a security issue thats fine but don't say that it gives an advantage to player ingame because you are wrong.

This is just going to go back and forth with no real end. I stand behind any decision Jagex makes, including getting rid of SS. If they choose to bring it back, then I support that. We'll see.

Hey Anti-SS users, can you do me a favor?? TRY IT! Yes, That's right, when the new update comes out. Try it! Then bash SS all you want, after you've used all the tools, then tell me why you hate it OH SO MUCH. It's kinda like Runescape itself, You'd think you wouldn't like it, but you tried it, and HOLY CRAP! You're addicted!

SS does not allow you to get into worlds faster than someone not using SS. It allows you to log onto a different world as fast, if not slower. If a world you select on SS is full, you have to wait 5 seconds per attempt to select the world again. If you don't use SS, you can just keep reloading the world-select page faster than SS does. Even if a world isn't full and you log onto it, you still have to wait the 30 seconds to get logged into the game just like everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I support SS 100%, people had brung up good points before about the world switching. Though it refreshes every 5 seconds, you don't need to be at your computer while it does that. I usually go back to the forums and wait for the world to load. Sounds like it's in the same group as AFK training and quite unfair.

 

SS does not allow you to get into worlds faster than someone not using SS. It allows you to log onto a different world as fast, if not slower. If a world you select on SS is full, you have to wait 5 seconds per attempt to select the world again. If you don't use SS, you can just keep reloading the world-select page faster than SS does. Even if a world isn't full and you log onto it, you still have to wait the 30 seconds to get logged into the game just like everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I support SS 100%, people had brung up good points before about the world switching. Though it refreshes every 5 seconds, you don't need to be at your computer while it does that. I usually go back to the forums and wait for the world to load. Sounds like it's in the same group as AFK training and quite unfair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the new update has removed that feature, we'll know it was considered by Jagex to be "unfair." If it still exists, we'll know it's "fair."

 

SS does not allow you to get into worlds faster than someone not using SS. It allows you to log onto a different world as fast, if not slower. If a world you select on SS is full, you have to wait 5 seconds per attempt to select the world again. If you don't use SS, you can just keep reloading the world-select page faster than SS does. Even if a world isn't full and you log onto it, you still have to wait the 30 seconds to get logged into the game just like everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I support SS 100%, people had brung up good points before about the world switching. Though it refreshes every 5 seconds, you don't need to be at your computer while it does that. I usually go back to the forums and wait for the world to load. Sounds like it's in the same group as AFK training and quite unfair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex states in the rule somewhere that leaving your computer while playing is against the rules. I feel that choosing worlds falls into the same camp.

Hey Anti-SS users, can you do me a favor?? TRY IT! Yes, That's right, when the new update comes out. Try it! Then bash SS all you want, after you've used all the tools, then tell me why you hate it OH SO MUCH. It's kinda like Runescape itself, You'd think you wouldn't like it, but you tried it, and HOLY CRAP! You're addicted!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YES YES YES GOOD POINT!!! THATS IT!!!!

 

 

SS does not allow you to get into worlds faster than someone not using SS. It allows you to log onto a different world as fast, if not slower. If a world you select on SS is full, you have to wait 5 seconds per attempt to select the world again. If you don't use SS, you can just keep reloading the world-select page faster than SS does. Even if a world isn't full and you log onto it, you still have to wait the 30 seconds to get logged into the game just like everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I support SS 100%, people had brung up good points before about the world switching. Though it refreshes every 5 seconds, you don't need to be at your computer while it does that. I usually go back to the forums and wait for the world to load. Sounds like it's in the same group as AFK training and quite unfair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the new update has removed that feature, we'll know it was considered by Jagex to be "unfair." If it still exists, we'll know it's "fair."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, Erm, I am willing to be money that Strider WILL be in Contact with JaGeX to get this Ok'ed. He's worked on it for too long to just leave it.

I agree both sides have put up a good fight and I am behind Jagex 99% even though removing SS was a bad idea but hey life goes on just wait for the weekend!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just wondering...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all of you who choose not to use SS, why don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(And don't say "because it's illegal." It will be legal this weekend and it was legal prior to the rule-change)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I value the security of my account over a few extra options. While SS may not have anything that will steal my account, I feel safer not using it. Things can happen, i.e. the tip.it forums problem last year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I don't have a problem having firefox open in another window, with tabs to calcs, hiscores, forums, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for mIRC, I'm not much of a clan type person, so that's no benefit to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well I always wonder why people pst things about security... Who knows what internet explore does (or firefox) maybe Microsoft (or mozzila...) collects all the passwords and just sells them to some hackers? - So why would you trust IE/FF more than any other home-made browser?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pulli23

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference for me, at least, is that both IE and Firefox are distributed by actual companies. They have more to lose than just the reputation of their name. And just because I trust the big name companies, doesn't mean I should let my guard down and just use whatever is out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just to point out something, Microsoft is really bad at security when it first puts stuff out. When I got my new hard drive I had to download 50+ updates off Windows Update, more than half of which being security updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never tried Firefox, so I can't say anything about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with Muggiwhiplar, Wakka, and Trojann. If you are going to insult a program, please insult it with correct info.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The tools SS provides do not break any rules, they are available on different fansites. The tools are just put together in one thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The world switcher isn't much faster than normal. It still takes the normal time for the prifile to switch worlds, and you can't get into a full world right away either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Irc may have some problems, it is a good way to talk to friends without worrying about using mIRC. It may be one of the things needed to fix though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally hate the new rule change. Rule 7 is bad enough, but with rule 9 you can't even talk about SS ingame without the possibility of being banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This update is worse than pure essence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I also like SS's music muter.

I agree both sides have put up a good fight and I am behind Jagex 99% even though removing SS was a bad idea but hey life goes on just wait for the weekend!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i agree both side have made good arguments... i dont know which way i'll go... i dont want ss to be gonskis...but i dont mind using normal rs... but i will be a ss'er until its deleted... so in this argument... im not a topic pointer... just a listener...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~boy power45

Edit: I also like SS's music muter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, If you need to turn Music off, with Windows XP. Open up your Sound Control and Mute "SW Synth" :)

ive had ss before, never played RS thru it due to 1. security paranoia, better safe then sorry rite? and i mean ive already taken a chance with a keylogger... but the actual program can be coded to only log keys typed into or thru the program its self. 2. another BIG thing i dont like about program as such, especially the RS client is it doesnt have the address bar the stop button back/forward and all that jazz.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all the calcs and crap i use thru firefox on tip.it and ive very dead set into how to use them, simple and all that stuff. its justt SS has stuff off to the sides and i just frankly like the way IE is with RS, i dont like playing RS thru firefox because its not centered in the screen nearly as much where it is/was with IE6, IE7... i dont much care for but ill deal with that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

highscores is like the only convenient thing i find, and the IRC chat for SS i like the Jmod and Pmod signs for op & half-op... but MIRC has many more options and is free to.

 

 

SS does not allow you to get into worlds faster than someone not using SS. It allows you to log onto a different world as fast, if not slower. If a world you select on SS is full, you have to wait 5 seconds per attempt to select the world again. If you don't use SS, you can just keep reloading the world-select page faster than SS does. Even if a world isn't full and you log onto it, you still have to wait the 30 seconds to get logged into the game just like everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I support SS 100%, people had brung up good points before about the world switching. Though it refreshes every 5 seconds, you don't need to be at your computer while it does that. I usually go back to the forums and wait for the world to load. Sounds like it's in the same group as AFK training and quite unfair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex states in the rule somewhere that leaving your computer while playing is against the rules. I feel that choosing worlds falls into the same camp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

quick question for you: does leaving log in screen and going to eat lunch is AFK playing? All SS does is keeps refreshing your browser, does that counts as playing? Heck no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ makoto by quoting me you imply that if someone does something easier by using something that might be dangerous is unfair advantage, then we can say that abbys rcing is unfair advantage. I don't trust wilderness even tho it gives me shortcut to craft runes much faster. Does everyone who uses that is taking unfair advantage against me? No, i CHOOSE not to use because i don't trust it. Same with SS, it gives you convenience of playing, if you don't use because you don't trust, thats YOUR CHOICE, it's not MY unfair advantage.

 

 

 

@ makoto by quoting me you imply that if someone does something easier by using something that might be dangerous is unfair advantage, then we can say that abbys rcing is unfair advantage. I don't trust wilderness even tho it gives me shortcut to craft runes much faster. Does everyone who uses that is taking unfair advantage against me? No, i CHOOSE not to use because i don't trust it. Same with SS, it gives you convenience of playing, if you don't use because you don't trust, thats YOUR CHOICE, it's not MY unfair advantage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you cannot. If it has been hard-coded by Jagex themselves, how the heck is it an "unfair advantage"? I'm talking about third party clients; get with the times.

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i dont have a low IQ... im smart :D ... me fail english? umpossible

riakk wanna see low IQ people? go to f2p worlds and you will have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And for personal note, not everyone been born speaking english

quick question for you: does leaving log in screen and going to eat lunch is AFK playing? All SS does is keeps refreshing your browser, does that counts as playing? Heck no.

 

 

 

No one said it was AFK playing, but it falls into the same category. SS does the work of getting into a world for you by refreshing the world page every 5 seconds and trying to get in. You can easily go do something else while it does that. With a normal client and no 3rd party programs, the average player could not do that and would have to sit there and refresh himself or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is what I meant

riakk wanna see low IQ people? go to f2p worlds and you will have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And for personal note, not everyone been born speaking english

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah i know... but its a joke... impossible not umpossible... get it? oh nvm...

 

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i dont have a low IQ... im smart :D ... me fail english? umpossible

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The person who said that is my name spelled backwards :o

 

 

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i dont have a low IQ... im smart :D ... me fail english? umpossible

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The person who said that is my name spelled backwards :o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how?

 

 

 

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i dont have a low IQ... im smart :D ... me fail english? umpossible

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The person who said that is my name spelled backwards :o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ralph Wiggum said "Me fail english? That's umpossible!"

 

 

 

 

The main reason why jagex wants to ban 3rd party is because stupid ppl cannot secure their own accounts and crying out loud after they getting hurt. This is nothing to do with most of 3rd party clients, but because we have plenty of low IQ players in game, jagex simply decide to ban it. SS DOES NOT give any unfair advantage, it gives convenience and pleasure to play. like most of other people said, try it once and see what advantage it gives to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i dont have a low IQ... im smart :D ... me fail english? umpossible

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The person who said that is my name spelled backwards :o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ralph Wiggum said "Me fail english? That's umpossible!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oooh now i getcha