Nice one Jagex-Quote DIRECTLY from Andrew

[wakka102]

 

Exactly, mroe money for Jagex could mean more staff imployee's, leading to better customer service? more worlds? better updates? Also, with us eating less bandwidth, the site should run faster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If all thats true then I will stop caring about not being able to do stat lookups and irc in the same window.

both of those will be fine, strider will update SS again to remove the world switching im sure. the problem with stat lookups is when they are automated like the dynamic sigs. If you are doing it yourself its not constant so its ok. As well as IRC, if doesnt give in client advantages. So neither of what you stated is part of the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've also gotten word from the guy that runs Draynor.net. The stat sigs will become manually updated to solve the issue so they will be back up before too long :) .

[buffrichie]

GET OVER IT AND USE THEIR CLIENT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jesus

[Barihawk]

 

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the latest had a "World Watcher" that notified when a world was open

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's fine, then. As I said a few posts back. Swift and other clients are not illegal. Just the worldswitcher feature. What you are describing is fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't strider make a way for swiftswitch to go through the runescape website? What i mean is in the little game window, it has the rs website, then you could use it like a normal I.E browser page, but with the added rs tools and chat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd love that, because the onloy reason i likes ss was the irc chat which kept me entertained while i was playing, being in such a convenient place was great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's exactly what Jagex is asking him to do. As long as it starts up at the main page, it's perfectly legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It wont let you into any full world. It makes you wait like everyone else. it just lets you refresh the page without having to go back to the main homepage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The last version of Swift I have seen (and all the others such as RSDraco) had the loophole feature that took you straight to that world without waiting (still had the 30 second rule, but you could bypass full servers). I am not sure about recent Swift versions.

[wakka102]

 

 

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the latest had a "World Watcher" that notified when a world was open

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's fine, then. As I said a few posts back. Swift and other clients are not illegal. Just the worldswitcher feature. What you are describing is fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't strider make a way for swiftswitch to go through the runescape website? What i mean is in the little game window, it has the rs website, then you could use it like a normal I.E browser page, but with the added rs tools and chat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd love that, because the onloy reason i likes ss was the irc chat which kept me entertained while i was playing, being in such a convenient place was great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's exactly what Jagex is asking him to do. As long as it starts up at the main page, it's perfectly legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It wont let you into any full world. It makes you wait like everyone else. it just lets you refresh the page without having to go back to the main homepage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The last version of Swift I have seen (and all the others such as RSDraco) had the loophole feature that took you straight to that world without waiting (still had the 30 second rule, but you could bypass full servers). I am not sure about recent Swift versions.

I'm not sure the last time you used SS but it hasn't been able to bypass full worlds for a very long time. Also, where do you get all your info on Jagex from? Do you work for them or know someone who does?

[jessy87]

well i got a message today from jagex asking this

 

 

 

if i have worlds on my favorites/bookmark list is this "illegal" now? with this hidden rule update of Mar. 06 2007?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mod gemmell said, he/she can confirm that having world bookmarked is currently legal and complies with the rules.*basically* thats not the exact response if you think im sharing some life long kept secret text from jagex which will corrupt it and cause its downfall, i hope you find 100 year old dynamite and play with it.

[wakka102]

well i got a message today from jagex asking this

 

 

 

if i have worlds on my favorites/bookmark list is this "illegal" now? with this hidden rule update of Mar. 06 2007?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mod gemmell said, he/she can confirm that having world bookmarked is currently legal and complies with the rules.*basically* thats not the exact response if you think im sharing some life long kept secret text from jagex which will corrupt it and cause its downfall, i hope you find 100 year old dynamite and play with it.

You're either being sarcastic or over reacting. Bookmarking can't be illegal because it would be impossible to detect. There is no way that Jagex can tell if you went to the front screen before going to a world. As long as you access a world with IE or FF its fine.

[Barihawk]

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

[wakka102]

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

ok, well, can you confirm on whether or not bookmarking is legal or not? or whether its detectable or not?

[Barihawk]

My contact is sporadic, so I can't really say at the moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would call it illegal (I'm guilty of it in the past). It functions just like the world switcher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you need to get into world 2, just play the green arrow game. It doesn't take very long. I'd rather be safe than sorry, anyways.

[wakka102]

My contact is sporadic, so I can't really say at the moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would call it illegal (I'm guilty of it in the past). It functions just like the world switcher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you need to get into world 2, just play the green arrow game. It doesn't take very long. I'd rather be safe than sorry, anyways.

alright, and whats sporadic mean? :P

[Made0f12une]

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EASY! Find the list of mod (there's a list somewhere, I remember)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add all of them, and wait for someone to log on! :thumbsup: this eats up a good portion of your friends list.. but it could be done if you want'd to find out some Jagex staff badly enough that have their firendslist open

[Barihawk]

 

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EASY! Find the list of mod (there's a list somewhere, I remember)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add all of them, and wait for someone to log on! :thumbsup: this eats up a good portion of your friends list.. but it could be done if you want'd to find out some Jagex staff badly enough that have their firendslist open

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't do that. Put yourself in the Staff's shoes. That's like Saradomin's Witnesses coming to your door and asking "Do you have our god in your life?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They get enough spam when they do log in. They don't need more, and will likely ignore you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was invited to an event by a player mod and met several staff mods there. It was a relaxed atmosphere, and we had civil discussion. These kinds of meetings are usually secret and extremely rare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Wakka, sporadic is a fancy way of saying "once in a blue moon."

[Bones_Zero]

So let's get this straight, Bari.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The mods will talk to you, but you're sure that they won't talk to anyone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're in contact with people at Jagex, but you're not allowed to say who and you can't talk to them all the time, only when it's convenient for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know exactly how much bandwith costs for Jagex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get off the soapbox, and drop the "holier than thou art" attitude.

[Barihawk]

Err...I am presenting that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are lots of people with similar agreements with JaGEx mods. They've even posted on this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I simply said that they will not respond to random pm's from strangers. Would you want hundreds of people PMing you when you log in? There's the principle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you meet up with a J-Mod at some point and manage to get on good terms with them. They are usually on a random world at the site of an update getting player feedback. What world and when is completely random.

[-Devoted12-]

Sorry if I missed this in the post, but so can I not use the Print Screen button to take pics now, then paste them on paint and crop? Or is that still legal?

[moopymitchell182]

I find it appropriate that we all whine. We also must flame anyone with any logical solution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just use the official client + IRC in another window. :|

[wakka102]

Sorry if I missed this in the post, but so can I not use the Print Screen button to take pics now, then paste them on paint and crop? Or is that still legal?

where did you see that? taking screenshots is perfectly fine...

[-Devoted12-]

 

Sorry if I missed this in the post, but so can I not use the Print Screen button to take pics now, then paste them on paint and crop? Or is that still legal?

where did you see that? taking screenshots is perfectly fine...

 

 

 

Oh, I believe I got confused with the part about the programs that helps make screenshots easier and got confused. Thanks.

[wakka102]

 

 

Sorry if I missed this in the post, but so can I not use the Print Screen button to take pics now, then paste them on paint and crop? Or is that still legal?

where did you see that? taking screenshots is perfectly fine...

 

 

 

Oh, I believe I got confused with the part about the programs that helps make screenshots easier and got confused. Thanks.

things that take screenshots easier are fine too. It's when you manipulate the game client with fast access to worlds and dyamic sigs that jagex has a problem with.

[jessy87]

 

well i got a message today from jagex asking this

 

 

 

if i have worlds on my favorites/bookmark list is this "illegal" now? with this hidden rule update of Mar. 06 2007?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mod gemmell said, he/she can confirm that having world bookmarked is currently legal and complies with the rules.*basically* thats not the exact response if you think im sharing some life long kept secret text from jagex which will corrupt it and cause its downfall, i hope you find 100 year old dynamite and play with it.

You're either being sarcastic or over reacting. Bookmarking can't be illegal because it would be impossible to detect. There is no way that Jagex can tell if you went to the front screen before going to a world. As long as you access a world with IE or FF its fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lil bit of both, let me say this as nicely as i can put it, i respect tip.it MOD's about 5 times more then tip.it admins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i use opera to play runescape. its a very nice clean tabbing system popup blockers, and it really cuts down the cutter compared to IE7. i really dislike the lowered playing field of ie7 and its huge tab.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i would have posted screen shots, but sadly i could not upload them to imageshack... my dial up internet is not the best.

[Made0f12une]

 

 

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EASY! Find the list of mod (there's a list somewhere, I remember)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add all of them, and wait for someone to log on! :thumbsup: this eats up a good portion of your friends list.. but it could be done if you want'd to find out some Jagex staff badly enough that have their firendslist open

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't do that. Put yourself in the Staff's shoes. That's like Saradomin's Witnesses coming to your door and asking "Do you have our god in your life?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They get enough spam when they do log in. They don't need more, and will likely ignore you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was invited to an event by a player mod and met several staff mods there. It was a relaxed atmosphere, and we had civil discussion. These kinds of meetings are usually secret and extremely rare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Wakka, sporadic is a fancy way of saying "once in a blue moon."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I didn't mean add them and be like "ZOMG STAFF< GAHH FREE STOOF PLOZ YEA LIKE YAE WOOOO!!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd actraully like to have a civil conversation with a mod. I did actraully do that once, and only once. I had a chat with one of Jagex's mods while reporting yew autoers, which she later sent me a message saying thank you. I also had a nice chat with a mod through the costomer service section

[WolfhunterXZ]

Now, let's all shut up and stop whining and thank Andrew for clarifying everything for us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The signatures just need revision so they don't update every few minutes. They update every few hours so not to waste bandwidth. And as it looks like, the bookmarked pages still work. The thing is, it will say the world is full, just not as OFTEN if you bookmark and use the FireFox way of doing things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all essence, this doesn't have much of an effect on anything. The World Switchers are just because you're lazy, you might as well just suck it up and use the official Runescape client, I do and it's not that bad considering I pretty much use only World 99 unless I get a barrow item I want to sell or something else I want to buy, which is like 1-4 times a month. And yes, I too hate clicking back and forth to get to World 2 but that's life isn't it? Deal with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're all making this more complicated and irritating than it actually is, just deal with it, grow up, and stop acting like children. Make the best of it, because by this you only reduce the image of a Community and integrity by bickering over something that in all honesty has little effect, it only annoys the lazy, immature, merchenters, pures, and whatnot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Wolfy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. I will not be posting again in this thread most likely, might not even look at it again, I said what I had to said.

[Barihawk]

 

 

 

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EASY! Find the list of mod (there's a list somewhere, I remember)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add all of them, and wait for someone to log on! :thumbsup: this eats up a good portion of your friends list.. but it could be done if you want'd to find out some Jagex staff badly enough that have their firendslist open

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't do that. Put yourself in the Staff's shoes. That's like Saradomin's Witnesses coming to your door and asking "Do you have our god in your life?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They get enough spam when they do log in. They don't need more, and will likely ignore you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was invited to an event by a player mod and met several staff mods there. It was a relaxed atmosphere, and we had civil discussion. These kinds of meetings are usually secret and extremely rare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Wakka, sporadic is a fancy way of saying "once in a blue moon."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I didn't mean add them and be like "ZOMG STAFF< GAHH FREE STOOF PLOZ YEA LIKE YAE WOOOO!!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd actraully like to have a civil conversation with a mod. I did actraully do that once, and only once. I had a chat with one of Jagex's mods while reporting yew autoers, which she later sent me a message saying thank you. I also had a nice chat with a mod through the costomer service section

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the way :).

[Mordendravid]

Wakka, I know several Jagex mods, but I have a non-disclosure agreement about their identity. That's so hundreds of people don't start spamming this person when they log in to get work done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have on occasion also spoken with Mod Mark, and Paul ingame if I am lucky enough to see them. They both recognize me as that guy from the cabbage clan :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The others that I can contact via PM, I will not say, however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barihawk, whilst I don't doubt for a second that you have contacts with Jagex staff I still maintain that the figures you are quoting are way off target.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You quoted earlier in this thread a sum of $9 million in costs for the bandwith of pings from signature files that auto update, since the requests are only against the high score servers (not even the world servers) that just has to be wrong. Alternatively Jagex are paying the most extortionate prices for server space that I have ever seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Additionally, $9million dollars is 90% of Jagex's total costs for the financial year ending April 2006 (UK financial year runs april to april). Andrew's post indicates that auto look-ups were costing them an estimated 50% of the bandwith used for high score look-ups (not total bandwith).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd suggest that your contact is possibly exagerating!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally (to get back on topic a bit), I think that the removal of the stat sigs auto look-up is a good thing. Anything that has the potential to improve performance for players rather than bots is good news. It's also inspired me to create my own, more personal sig. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rule to remove direct links to worlds I can understand, but is a bit frustrating for 2 reasons. Firstly it's a handy utility, but ultimately it's only a few extra clicks so no real problem. Secondly it means that 3rd party clients are (for the most part) in breach of Jagex rules until they are updated to comply!

[Potter_Pkr]

It is good to know that Andrew has cleared some of the points up. Also if Jagex have good intentions for the change in the rules then it is ok I guess. I am still confused as to whether I can use bookmarks, but I can wait for an official announcement from Jagex.