Nice one Jagex-Quote DIRECTLY from Andrew

[Mordendravid]

 

there soon gonna realise theyve messed up, people are going to stop playing and their profit is going to go down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at the end of the day we pay for the game to exist, surely we should get to chose how we play and what we use to play it. i personally never used an autoer but regularly used ss. im at college doing a diploma in business and ive learnt alot and from what i know jagex are doing a real bad job of keeping their customers happy and giving us a good service...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For someone at college, you sure do type like a 12 year old to me. You are not going to get a diploma if you can't pass English.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By paying your 5 bucks a month, you are not a stockholder in Jagex. You are simply paying for services rendered. They owe you nothing. They actually make FAR more money from ad revenue than from subscriptions. And a few hundred (ok, let's make it extreme...few thousand) people quitting is hardly going to make a dent in their revenue. Especially now that they are banning dynamic signatures and getting millions back in lost revenue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I know business management skills, too!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry Barihawk, but where do you get that information from? It's way of the mark. Membership subscriptions contribute far more to Jagex's revenue than the money received from ads.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Source: Jagex accounts filed with companies house UK

[PhaperPlane]

Have patience, and Jagex will have a good client. It won't have worldswitchers or IRC, but clan chat and calculators are in the works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I somehow doubt that, no update on the clan support since it was announced back in January. I also somehow doubt that they will get to work on a better a client anytime soon.

[Wachtwoord]

 

Have patience, and Jagex will have a good client. It won't have worldswitchers or IRC, but clan chat and calculators are in the works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I somehow doubt that, no update on the clan support since it was announced back in January. I also somehow doubt that they will get to work on a better a client anytime soon.

 

 

 

I thought they said the would releace it this year (if my memory serves me well). And, but it may be my fault, my diary says the year isn't finished yet.

[jin_sakura226]

hmmm yeah stink that u can't use ss....

 

 

 

I was wondering why it wasn't working yesterday.. So yeah gonna use the Web.....Wierd that my friend could still use it while it didn't work for me

 

 

 

Play by the rules :( .. Plus not gonna make much of a difference.. Waste of time rioting really :lol:

[Marco]

Pfft.. brilliant rule changes I say. Nothing wrong with at all.

 

 

 

In terms of clients I don't use any, and never plan to, I can do everything I need without one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About Signatures and calculators, Jagex are completely justified in what they're doing about them. Why would you be upset that you can't show off your crappy looking badly made statistic signature if it means Runescape.com frees up a significant amount of bandwidth?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As said, Tip.it's calculators only ping on a user request which is perfectly legal. The link to a player's Stats on Runescape.com (<<<<< under location) also only pings on request, so Tip.it is unaffected (except for users with the illegal stat sigs).

[Barihawk]

Barihawk, how do you know all those numbers? Is Andrew your personal friend or something?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OT: Eventhough I dislike I have to get rid of my stats sig, I can totally understand their points. Those clients do/did give advantages to get in high worlds and the whole ping situation seems reasonable to me too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am on speaking terms with a few high-up people. That, and I read, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The stat sigs that update once a day are fine, Andrew says so himself in that message. But many of the big-name ones are constantly pinging every minute or so, and that adds up.

[Shaddd]

I'm really loving what they're doing to their own customers. :roll:

[aoe325]

I dont see why anybody here would be complaining about these changes!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its their bandwith and they have the right to use it as they wish.

 

 

 

A sig that updates every minute is nice but they clearly made their point.

[Barihawk]

I'm really loving what they're doing to their own customers. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, it's more like what their customers are doing to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see. You pay 5 dollars, right? Per month?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is paying 9 million dollars a year on dynamic stat sigs. That's where they draw the line.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And their only problem with Swift is the world changer and bypasses the world-select screen. That's an unfair advantage (being able to get into worlds that people without Swift can't) and has always been illegal per their rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as whoever makes Swift and the other clients removes the World Switcher, those clients are 100% legal. Their stat lookups only make one request to the server per click.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how anyone can consider these changes unfair, to be honest. Both the dynamic sigs, and world switchers are glaringly guilty.

[Bones_Zero]

 

I'm really loving what they're doing to their own customers. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, it's more like what their customers are doing to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see. You pay 5 dollars, right? Per month?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is paying 9 million dollars a year on dynamic stat sigs. That's where they draw the line.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And their only problem with Swift is the world changer and bypasses the world-select screen. That's an unfair advantage (being able to get into worlds that people without Swift can't) and has always been illegal per their rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as whoever makes Swift and the other clients removes the World Switcher, those clients are 100% legal. Their stat lookups only make one request to the server per click.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how anyone can consider these changes unfair, to be honest. Both the dynamic sigs, and world switchers are glaringly guilty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't talk about things you have no idea about. Swift does NOT let you get into worlds that you couldn't normally get into.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And where do you get these numbers? Please, you don't know what you're talking about. Don't make yourself look like an idiot.

[Barihawk]

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And sorry, but I have a non-disclosure agreement with my contact. I can't tell you who they are.

[arkwelded]

runescape needs to work on a way for sig/stat genarators to access the high scores without plugging up the main servers. maybe even have their own that people can use on forums ect. it isnt like they dont make enough a month to dedicate some bandwith to that

[spooferfish]

looks like jagex becoming less user friendly company. It will only hurt them in long run ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Trixtar, i do NOT want that Jagex will tell me how to play. next thing you know it will implement auto log-off after hour of constant playing. Sorry but thats not their business if i use direct or indirect access to their worlds or their pages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex do "NOT want that" you force yourself into a server that is full using a loophole. They removed the loophole. Do it the riht way.

[SirHartlar]

Pfft i'm not taking my dynamic signatures off my blog...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless they start banning people. X.D

[thethinginthecorner]

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the latest had a "World Watcher" that notified when a world was open

[wakka102]

I'm glad to see Andrew commented on the subject, it laid my issues with it at rest. I deleted Swiftswitch from my pc yesterday. I no longer need it anyway after finding gadwin printscreen (which is all I really used ss for). I didn;'t realize how much money it was costing Jagex for us to use a little banner and I'm glad that Andrew offered suggestions as to how to fix the issue (add a button to make them update rather then auto updating). People are constantly accusing Jagex of thing's because they listen to people around them complaining and..I guess its just "cool" to rebel or something. Jagex is doing just fine and had good reason for doing the rule changes as they did. How anybody can complain after reading Andrew's quote on the matter is beyond me. Stick with Jagex rules, enjoy the game, or just get out of the ballpark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, on the topic of world switchers. If you have a world saved to your desktop under a firefox address or something...How could jagex be able to tell that you linked yourself to it? I dont think it's possible is it?

[Danqazmlp]

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'they do more harm than good' What harm do they do?!?!

[wakka102]

 

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'they do more harm than good' What harm do they do?!?!

Makes crowded worlds even more crowded, causing server problems. However, I'm pretty convinced they can't tell if you save a copy of the world to your desktop under like the fire fox client...

[Danqazmlp]

Can't strider make a way for swiftswitch to go through the runescape website? What i mean is in the little game window, it has the rs website, then you could use it like a normal I.E browser page, but with the added rs tools and chat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd love that, because the onloy reason i likes ss was the irc chat which kept me entertained while i was playing, being in such a convenient place was great.

[wakka102]

Can't strider make a way for swiftswitch to go through the runescape website? What i mean is in the little game window, it has the rs website, then you could use it like a normal I.E browser page, but with the added rs tools and chat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd love that, because the onloy reason i likes ss was the irc chat which kept me entertained while i was playing, being in such a convenient place was great.

he can do that and probably will do that. Remove the world switcher but leave the other things on it. But with ss going in and out of legality constantly I just decided to stop using it. That switching without a notice puts my account at risk and the last thing I want is the account I've spent 3+ years on being jeopardized.

[xans_ghost]

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And sorry, but I have a non-disclosure agreement with my contact. I can't tell you who they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It wont let you into any full world. It makes you wait like everyone else. it just lets you refresh the page without having to go back to the main homepage.

[wakka102]

 

It's not just Swift, sir. Any world switcher will allow you to get into a world that is normally full by taking you directly to the login screen. Normally, you would have had to refresh the world select screen and wait until at least 1 spot was open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And sorry, but I have a non-disclosure agreement with my contact. I can't tell you who they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It wont let you into any full world. It makes you wait like everyone else. it just lets you refresh the page without having to go back to the main homepage.

Well they would rather people all have to do it the same way. Less clicks means an advantage, no matter how small. They don't have a problem with all of the things that don't effect the actual game (calcs, guides, irc, etc.) because they don't effect they're actual client or manipulate it in any way. However, getting into worlds without having to do anything, even if you have to wait, is easier then people using the official client. Thats why jagex doesn't allow it. Dont think I'm against world switchers though. It wasn't until yesterday that I stopped using SS in the first place, but I can see where Jagex is coming from with this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also with world switchers sometimes more peopel could get into the server then were allowed, and with all of the people trying to get in it puts ALOT of stress on the server. This is when you run into issues like the one in world 2 where you couldn't see everyone, so sometimes someone would trade you and you could not find the person, when you clicked to trade back it says "person could not be found". It happened to me several times and refreshing the page (going to a "load" spot) doesn't always fix this.

[InkofDeath]

You don't need to go back to the main page to refresh the world select page. Just click on the arrows^_^.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somewhat like wakka has posted, I see how much this is costing jagex and why they wanted to change it. Perhaps stop looking on the negative, start looking on the positive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More money? Better updates?

[wakka102]

You don't need to go back to the main page to refresh the world select page. Just click on the arrows^_^.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somewhat like wakka has posted, I see how much this is costing jagex and why they wanted to change it. Perhaps stop looking on the negative, start looking on the positive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More money? Better updates?

Exactly, mroe money for Jagex could mean more staff imployee's, leading to better customer service? more worlds? better updates? Also, with us eating less bandwidth, the site should run faster.

[xans_ghost]

Exactly, mroe money for Jagex could mean more staff imployee's, leading to better customer service? more worlds? better updates? Also, with us eating less bandwidth, the site should run faster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If all thats true then I will stop caring about not being able to do stat lookups and irc in the same window.