Is Runescape worth it?

Is Runescape really worth all the time and effort you put into it? I ask this question because most people who hear about Runescape think of it as just a waste of time, and I'm also unsure myself.

- Before answering, let's look at some ways that Runescape can positively influence you

When you started playing Runescape, you probably learned a few new things. For instance, you might've learned stuff from training skills - like how ores get refined in a furnace and turned into bars, which are then used to make weapons and items. You also might've learned to achieve goals and realized how it took "discipline" to spend a lot of time and effort on them.

Then after playing for a little while you most likely learned other stuff. Maybe you learned not to trust people who are offering things that seem to good - I.E. scammers. Maybe you even learned something about the real stock market by trading/merchanting on The Grand Exchange. Also, if you posted a bunch on Forums, or on a Blog it might've helped improve your writing, and HTML skills - who know's you might've even made some money (from ads and stuff) if you had your own site. (if there are any others you can think of please post)

- Okay now looks like at some ways Runescape can negatively affect you

There are some obvious ones: lazyness, obesity, unsocialness, depression, not being able to quit, etc... Also, spending so much time on Runescape and not giving time for other things like: being with family, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends, etc... (once again, if you can think of any others you can think of please post)

Okay, tell me what you guys think! Also, please tell what ways you think Runescape has directly affected you, whether good or bad. Thanks

It kills time.

I would say that, on balance, it is worth it.

Let us consider that Runescape does not cause : 'lazyness, obesity, unsocialness, depression, not being able to quit, etc... ', but rather makes those character traits visible. Furthermore it gives us a chance to explore our character traits in much greater depth, for instance:

Do I fear death?

Do I do what everyone else does?

Would I try to cheat at life?

Would I kill someone given the chance?

Obvouisly Runescape is not a magical alternative to life, but it provides an arena for us to show the other side of ourselves, similar to acting in the mirror or singing in the shower.

How frequently is it the biggest nerd who spends the most time on the game? On Runescape, not that much, or at least in my experiance of the game...The people who hated school, who were popular, who had inordinate amounts of time to waste, they were the people who actually levelled to 126 and whatever the max is now. It was those people who got the skill capes, not the average know-it-all like myself, who was content to level slowly and enjoyably.

How has this influanced their lives? To have been involved in playing a game that was not a social networking site, but a place to train is solitude, or to hunt with friends... It is impossible to tell, but it is safe to say that that time has been better spent than say....destroying the local park, as other people who I would have put in that bracket did.

I will go back to what the poster said 'lazyness, unsocialness':

After all, would it not have been better to have these people doing something constructive? Something like education or work? The simple answer is, of course, yes but these people are not going to do that. That is the other simple answer.

Sorry, minor rant, but all of these arguements that young people should be disiplined and rubbish like that, yeah I agree with them, but there is no way I would advocate them...These people are not automatons who need to be programmed, they are human beings who need to develop in their own way.

Anyway,

'Also, spending so much time on Runescape and not giving time for other things like: being with family, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends, etc'

What one has to remember is that we were 'programmed' in the stone age, we would not spend great deals of time with our familes and partners...we would be out hunting, with our friends or on our own. That is what Runescape taps into(in the male population), the primale need to get out there and prove ourselves over other people, people we have never heard of, but other people none the less.

I will agree that in our modern society this kind of thinking will not get you very far because of numerous social requirements....but that is social requirement at fault, not the human being. So when you say there are negative effects we have to seperate which negative effects are caused by Runescape and which are caused by instinct-society....And as I see it obesity is perhaps the only Runescape caused negative, and even then it is the cheapness of food, not just RS, as I spend a great deal of time on the Computer, and yet I am not overweight, I am not even top end normal weight, but just under ideal weight.

So in my view the positives far outweight the negatives....but I will say that Runescape is only a stopgap measure, we cannot entirely replace our insticts with a game, nor can we abandon real life. We cannot blame society for our problems, but equally society is not blameless...we all have a responsiblity to improve ourselves, and improve the world...as an American President (T. Roosevelt) once said:

"The farmer is a good farmer who, having enabled the land to support himself and to provide for education of his children, leaves it to them a little better off than he found it himself. I believe the same thing of a Nation."

To come into this world, to survive and to spread your values though your children, and leave it, not with strife but teeming with life.

And if you can do all that; if you can build a society, a community or even just make one person's existance slighly more bearable, starting as a level 3 Runescapian then you have a pretty good chance of being a good person in your life...

If you are a drain on Runescape, someone who only serves to kill other players, to hunt the beasts and to critise the updates that cater to those below you...then at least we know that the future shall be bleak and can prepare for it.

But then there is, at least, a chance you will not give up Runescape, you will not become a bussinessman or politian, you will not be in a position to spread those values which degrade humanity.

So I ask the question 'Is Runescape worth it? Is it Worth putting those hours, days and months into finding out how ruthless, how considerate, malevolent or benign, you truely are?'

It's a game. It's purpose is to entertain.

So if you think having fun is worth it, go ahead.

- Okay now looks like at some ways Runescape can negatively affect you

 

 

 

There are some obvious ones: laziness, obesity, unsociableness, depression, not being able to quit, etc... Also, spending so much time on Runescape and not giving time for other things like: being with family, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends, etc...

This is something i personally believe to be subjective and debatable.

I've been playing the game since four years ago and hitherto, i haven't once been found to be corpulent. I might be a little lazy at times, but i guess the same could be said for every other teenager, Runescape fanatic or not. The problems of not integrating well into a given society, suffering depressed and computer addiction have no place in me. I do not forsake time with family to fuel my online avatar.

You see, while a minor fraction of the Runescape populace may be suffering from the aforementioned problems, it doesn't mean you could generalise.

In fact, much of the negative affects you've mention are found to be common amongst teenagers who do not play Runescape.

On the other hand, there's also the positive side,

- Before answering, let's look at some ways that Runescape can positively influence you

 

 

 

When you started playing Runescape, you probably learned a few new things. For instance, you might've learned stuff from training skills - like how ores get refined in a furnace and turned into bars, which are then used to make weapons and items. You also might've learned to achieve goals and realized how it took "discipline" to spend a lot of time and effort on them.

 

 

 

Then after playing for a little while you most likely learned other stuff. Maybe you learned not to trust people who are offering things that seem to good - I.E. scammers. Maybe you even learned something about the real stock market by trading/merchanting on The Grand Exchange. Also, if you posted a bunch on Forums, or on a Blog it might've helped improve your writing, and HTML skills - who know's you might've even made some money (from ads and stuff) if you had your own site. (if there are any others you can think of please post)

Although I must agree that by and large, most of what you've pointed out was true for my case, I believe that things like these could also be picked up from other avenues; I could have taught myself many other things surfing the web instead of playing Runescape.

Besides, had I been a player of other MMORPGs, I could have been positively influenced too.

As such, one cannot attribute all the positive influence (and negative influence) with the game without statistical evidence.

It's a game. It's purpose is to entertain.

 

 

 

So if you think having fun is worth it, go ahead.

Indeed, its just like anything you do that doesnt involve earning money for food/shelter; if you dont want to do it don't.

It's a game. It's purpose is to entertain.

 

 

 

So if you think having fun is worth it, go ahead.

 

 

 

Indeed, its just like anything you do that doesnt involve earning money for food/shelter; if you dont want to do it don't.

Hey, man, if you don't want food and shelter, don't do that either. =P

It is entirely a function of what you get out of it. If you get enjoyment out of it that is, in your opinion, worth what you put into it, then the time has been entirely worth it. If not, well, you should get out more.

In my 5+ years playing, f2p as well as p2p, I never endured the "lazyness, obesity, unsocialness, depression, not being able to quit, etc..."

I never felt like I'd wasted time, or money, as I appear immune to the negative effects you described.

Sure, I've had my time being a "little enthusiastic" about playing, but I never neglected my friends or family, or education for it. I made a couple of friends on RuneScape that I've talked to for many hours for many years. People I share my life and thoughts with, whom I enjoy talking to. Hell, I've even managed to combine doing homework with doing wc or fishing, while talking to friends in my clanchat, or just pming, chilling. I even sometimes discussed math homework, as I often have trouble with it, with friends on RuneScape.

As far as negaive things go, I once lost 10k yews because of a lost connection. Big deal. Life contains things you may not like, [cabbage] happens, and crying over spilt milk does not make it jumo back into the glass.

RuneScape is a game, it's purpose is to supply a healthy doses of fun, at which, if I may say so, succeeds wonderfully, especially in p2p.

So to answer the question, yes. RuneScape is definetly worth it.

As long as it still entertains you, it is worth every second.

if you can play in a non-addictive manner, definitely yes :thumbsup:

if your having fun while playing it and it dont interrupt you RL or the school, then its nothing wrong with playing it. ;)

Is life worth it?

You try hard, you run around like an idiot, you work, you do chores, you ****, you go to work, etc etc.

And in the end, you just end up dead, why do life at all?

If that doesnt answer your question i dont know what will.

...

Seriously though, its fun, why else? I have fun, few of those negatives effects apply to most players, and even if they did, it wouldn't be to such a serious extent, so if i can have fun, with few consequences, then im happy with it.

Runescape is a game. Games are normally played when they provide fun. Fun is worth it. Therefore, playing Runescape is worth it.

Why anyone would play Runescape when it doesn't provide fun, or regarded as a waste of time, is beyond me. You're not obliged to play RS...

It completely depends on how much time you spend on Runescape and what's going on in real life. If you have to support a large family, then getting 99 Runecrafting probably wouldn't fit into your agenda that well. If you're just a teenager who's stuck inside the house for the summer, then sure, why not?

Personally, my time on RS is pretty much over. I had fun while it lasted, gained some confidence (when it comes to accomplishing goals), learned a bit about how markets work, and most importantly I found out about TIF because of it. But now I got pretty bored of the game. I always wanted to get all 99's, but that's way too time consuming. I'd much rather spend quality time with my real life friends, play bass, and beat other video games instead of grinding the whole summer just to get one 99.

Starting RS you think it will not take that long and you feel great by playing it. Too bad it nearly always ends up in addiction, really how many players do you know that want to quit, but can't? I know many, and I know many which have see ntheir grades drop eventually by this game.

As i now come to the end of my runescape carreer I often wonder myself if it was worth it. I have been playing for 4-5 years now and I am a pure f2p. The calculations of jagex are more or less correct, it does take 15k hours to max the f2p world. (all 99's). Let's say the half of these hours I spend on runescape are hours I could have been working. Minimum wager is 5 euro per hour so if i didn't RS but worked, i'd have 37500 euro by now!

Also if I take the other hours and spended that on my study/social life/guitar play i'd be having hot gf's all over the place now, be even smarter than I am now (is that even possible? :? :lol: ) and I would be a lot awsomer at my guitar playing.

So yeh there are certainly downsides to runescape. However since in runescape people tend to take you better as a person, and it doesn't matter who ayou are etc. i tend to have far better friends in here than irl even though i've never met them. They pulled me through some of my horrors and I am glad they where there for me. I see this as the main upside of this game, and as an addition my English is improved much since I ever started this game :P

So in conclusion; if you compare RS to RL it's not really worth it, you will end up being an addict eventually, but not everything that's dark is bad; RS can improve your social life and give some social support to certain extend. However if I was given a chance to change the fact I started runescape in the past, I would.

I quit time and time again but I always come back. It's good to kill time when you've got nothing to do.

It completely depends on how much time you spend on Runescape and what's going on in real life. If you have to support a large family, then getting 99 Runecrafting probably wouldn't fit into your agenda that well. If you're just a teenager who's stuck inside the house for the summer, then sure, why not?

That depends. If you want it in a hurry, you're right. But if you're willing to pace yourself, and take a long time, then it fits in.

First of all, this post contains my own personal opinion on how Runescape affected me and my relationship with people. Ok, so it's been like 3-4 years now I've been playing this game. I got to admit it it's a really addictive game because people are always trying to be the best.

Either if it's just a party hat that you want to afford or get 2376 total or even get 1 skill cape, it still means that it gets your mind fully IN the competitive and challenging atmosphere between other players just to prove you are one of the best.

I know many people that play Runescape just to relax and put their mind off of real-life issues. I know other people that take Runescape as a really serious part of their life. I know also other players that claim to play it just to 'test' their patience and ability if they could accomplish a certain level (or just w/e really) and they take it as a challenge.

I can't tell you how this game got me closer and in touch with a friend who lives far away from where I'm living and we always talk and stuff. But what we always talk about? Runescape and what are we planning to do together. We always tend to do the same exact thing in RS. I knew this guy for a really long time and I would love to have a chance to meet and chill with him. He is like one of my best friends. But what made us closer to each other? RS and that's the only thing we do and talk about during our conversations. But can we consider a game like RS a way to stay connected to other people but talking only about your plans on it?

We all know that Runescape requires a lot of planning. Is it really worth it to consently (sp?).0 being bothered and what are you going to do in the game, especially when you are a member because you don't just to waste your cash and do nothing? You know that people who plays RS or do things related to RS in a weekly basis(2-4 times a week, playing from 3 to 7 hours) waste more than 700 hours just playing Runescape. 700 hours is almost a month just playing Runescape 24/7. Do you think it's worth it accomplishing you goals and wasting 1 full month per year of your life just playing a game with virtual people/money/items on it?

Myself, I've played a lot and currently own 65M bank (and have wasted more than 50M on skills/death/range, etc...) and 121 combat. But looking at my account with all the accomplishments I've made, I asked myself, so what now??? From like 2 years ago I spent the WHOLE summer vacation playing Runescape. Now I look back at what I did and ask myself how DID I DO THIS? I was just real waste of time with no point of doing this. Now that I've semi-quitted(the fact I always check Runescape website for news and like to see what's been up with the game just proves I didn't totally quit yet), I've decided that runescape is not the real way for me to 'relax' as some people may say.

Regarding people saying RS made them know more about real life economy, HTML and website designing experience and getting money of your blog. Seriously, how long does it take to understand the concept of how the GE is working? Law of supply and demand. Your lesson of economy class form RS is done. It probably takes 5 minutes playing the game to understand that aspect. HTML? Come on, I know creating blogs FORCED to know how to write and code your own pages but how deep will you go?

and probably know how to properly copy paste other scripts from other websites... Getting money of your blog?? I would bet you if Zezima creates a blog RIGHT now, in a month he would have 80-100$ MAX from Adsense (That because of his big FAME in this game, so an average player would probably get 20$ a month from his blog). Seriously, find a part job that could hire you to work 5 hours A WEEK and you could make a nice 180$ a month getting paid at 9$/hour.

My advice is, if you got spare time and have nothing to do is to play sports, make new friends or even just go chill alone with yourself outside just staring at the beauty of nature. Don't waste your time playing Runescape. Runescape is not just a 'game' really. I believe that the definition of a game is being able to complete and beat the whole game and moving on with your life. Sure you could play this game again just for fun. But when it becomes a game where it has really NO end and it goes on your list and schedule of your daily life, that's not a game anymore.

If you want just to sit on the computer, you might even read about science or whatever thing pleases you in your future life. Life is about experience and learning from our mistakes. Runescape is an experience which you will learn fromm it ABSOLUTELY nothing, except that you will know that wasting your time in a game rather than going out or just REALLY relaxing outside, is a complete WASTE of your precious time. It's a really lame excuse saying that RS is a great time killer. Doing something useful for your life in your spare time is way more valuable. RS is in fact a great MIND killer. I think the percentage of getting psychologically addicted to this game is WAY higher than other illegal (psychologically addictive too) drugs. I'm not telling you to go and do drugs, but I'm just trying to show you how RS could be an extreme addiction more than some DRUGs.

PS: This is not my first account forum. I always make one and forget it's name/password :(. Sorry, if you got confused or lost of what I wrote but I was 'intoxicated' and feeling deep while writing it. :idea: It seemed like it took me forever to write this ...

[hide=jackata2's nonsense]

First of all, this post contains my own personal opinion on how Runescape affected me and my relationship with people. Ok, so it's been like 3-4 years now I've been playing this game. I got to admit it it's a really addictive game because people are always trying to be the best.

 

Either if it's just a party hat that you want to afford or get 2376 total or even get 1 skill cape, it still means that it gets your mind fully IN the competitive and challenging atmosphere between other players just to prove you are one of the best.

 

I know many people that play Runescape just to relax and put their mind off of real-life issues. I know other people that take Runescape as a really serious part of their life. I know also other players that claim to play it just to 'test' their patience and ability if they could accomplish a certain level (or just w/e really) and they take it as a challenge.

 

 

 

I can't tell you how this game got me closer and in touch with a friend who lives far away from where I'm living and we always talk and stuff. But what we always talk about? Runescape and what are we planning to do together. We always tend to do the same exact thing in RS. I knew this guy for a really long time and I would love to have a chance to meet and chill with him. He is like one of my best friends. But what made us closer to each other? RS and that's the only thing we do and talk about during our conversations. But can we consider a game like RS a way to stay connected to other people but talking only about your plans on it?

 

 

 

We all know that Runescape requires a lot of planning. Is it really worth it to consently (sp?).0 being bothered and what are you going to do in the game, especially when you are a member because you don't just to waste your cash and do nothing? You know that people who plays RS or do things related to RS in a weekly basis(2-4 times a week, playing from 3 to 7 hours) waste more than 700 hours just playing Runescape. 700 hours is almost a month just playing Runescape 24/7. Do you think it's worth it accomplishing you goals and wasting 1 full month per year of your life just playing a game with virtual people/money/items on it?

 

 

 

Myself, I've played a lot and currently own 65M bank (and have wasted more than 50M on skills/death/range, etc...) and 121 combat. But looking at my account with all the accomplishments I've made, I asked myself, so what now??? From like 2 years ago I spent the WHOLE summer vacation playing Runescape. Now I look back at what I did and ask myself how DID I DO THIS? I was just real waste of time with no point of doing this. Now that I've semi-quitted(the fact I always check Runescape website for news and like to see what's been up with the game just proves I didn't totally quit yet), I've decided that runescape is not the real way for me to 'relax' as some people may say.

 

 

 

Regarding people saying RS made them know more about real life economy, HTML and website designing experience and getting money of your blog. Seriously, how long does it take to understand the concept of how the GE is working? Law of supply and demand. Your lesson of economy class form RS is done. It probably takes 5 minutes playing the game to understand that aspect. HTML? Come on, I know creating blogs FORCED to know how to write and code your own pages but how deep will you go?

and probably know how to properly copy paste other scripts from other websites... Getting money of your blog?? I would bet you if Zezima creates a blog RIGHT now, in a month he would have 80-100$ MAX from Adsense (That because of his big FAME in this game, so an average player would probably get 20$ a month from his blog). Seriously, find a part job that could hire you to work 5 hours A WEEK and you could make a nice 180$ a month getting paid at 9$/hour.

 

 

 

 

 

My advice is, if you got spare time and have nothing to do is to play sports, make new friends or even just go chill alone with yourself outside just staring at the beauty of nature. Don't waste your time playing Runescape. Runescape is not just a 'game' really. I believe that the definition of a game is being able to complete and beat the whole game and moving on with your life. Sure you could play this game again just for fun. But when it becomes a game where it has really NO end and it goes on your list and schedule of your daily life, that's not a game anymore.

 

 

 

If you want just to sit on the computer, you might even read about science or whatever thing pleases you in your future life. Life is about experience and learning from our mistakes. Runescape is an experience which you will learn fromm it ABSOLUTELY nothing, except that you will know that wasting your time in a game rather than going out or just REALLY relaxing outside, is a complete WASTE of your precious time. It's a really lame excuse saying that RS is a great time killer. Doing something useful for your life in your spare time is way more valuable. RS is in fact a great MIND killer. I think the percentage of getting psychologically addicted to this game is WAY higher than other illegal (psychologically addictive too) drugs. I'm not telling you to go and do drugs, but I'm just trying to show you how RS could be an extreme addiction more than some DRUGs.

 

 

 

PS: This is not my first account forum. I always make one and forget it's name/password :(. Sorry, if you got confused or lost of what I wrote but I was 'intoxicated' and feeling deep while writing it. :idea: It seemed like it took me forever to write this ...

Wow, some frustrationg right there. Perhaps you should take a bucket of chill pills and look at the bright side of life for a change. :thumbdown:

I got to admit it it's a really addictive game because people are always trying to be the best.

 

Either if it's just a party hat that you want to afford or get 2376 total or even get 1 skill cape, it still means that it gets your mind fully IN the competitive and challenging atmosphere between other players just to prove you are one of the best.

What's wrong with competition? Sports are all competitive and about "being the best" too but yet you see nothing wrong with them. I agree that some people can take it to the extreme (not eating or sleeping in order to get xp faster) but competition in general isn't a bad concept at all.

[hide=jackata2's nonsense]

First of all, this post contains my own personal opinion on how Runescape affected me and my relationship with people. Ok, so it's been like 3-4 years now I've been playing this game. I got to admit it it's a really addictive game because people are always trying to be the best.

 

Either if it's just a party hat that you want to afford or get 2376 total or even get 1 skill cape, it still means that it gets your mind fully IN the competitive and challenging atmosphere between other players just to prove you are one of the best.

 

I know many people that play Runescape just to relax and put their mind off of real-life issues. I know other people that take Runescape as a really serious part of their life. I know also other players that claim to play it just to 'test' their patience and ability if they could accomplish a certain level (or just w/e really) and they take it as a challenge.

 

 

 

I can't tell you how this game got me closer and in touch with a friend who lives far away from where I'm living and we always talk and stuff. But what we always talk about? Runescape and what are we planning to do together. We always tend to do the same exact thing in RS. I knew this guy for a really long time and I would love to have a chance to meet and chill with him. He is like one of my best friends. But what made us closer to each other? RS and that's the only thing we do and talk about during our conversations. But can we consider a game like RS a way to stay connected to other people but talking only about your plans on it?

 

 

 

We all know that Runescape requires a lot of planning. Is it really worth it to consently (sp?).0 being bothered and what are you going to do in the game, especially when you are a member because you don't just to waste your cash and do nothing? You know that people who plays RS or do things related to RS in a weekly basis(2-4 times a week, playing from 3 to 7 hours) waste more than 700 hours just playing Runescape. 700 hours is almost a month just playing Runescape 24/7. Do you think it's worth it accomplishing you goals and wasting 1 full month per year of your life just playing a game with virtual people/money/items on it?

 

 

 

Myself, I've played a lot and currently own 65M bank (and have wasted more than 50M on skills/death/range, etc...) and 121 combat. But looking at my account with all the accomplishments I've made, I asked myself, so what now??? From like 2 years ago I spent the WHOLE summer vacation playing Runescape. Now I look back at what I did and ask myself how DID I DO THIS? I was just real waste of time with no point of doing this. Now that I've semi-quitted(the fact I always check Runescape website for news and like to see what's been up with the game just proves I didn't totally quit yet), I've decided that runescape is not the real way for me to 'relax' as some people may say.

 

 

 

Regarding people saying RS made them know more about real life economy, HTML and website designing experience and getting money of your blog. Seriously, how long does it take to understand the concept of how the GE is working? Law of supply and demand. Your lesson of economy class form RS is done. It probably takes 5 minutes playing the game to understand that aspect. HTML? Come on, I know creating blogs FORCED to know how to write and code your own pages but how deep will you go?

and probably know how to properly copy paste other scripts from other websites... Getting money of your blog?? I would bet you if Zezima creates a blog RIGHT now, in a month he would have 80-100$ MAX from Adsense (That because of his big FAME in this game, so an average player would probably get 20$ a month from his blog). Seriously, find a part job that could hire you to work 5 hours A WEEK and you could make a nice 180$ a month getting paid at 9$/hour.

 

 

 

 

 

My advice is, if you got spare time and have nothing to do is to play sports, make new friends or even just go chill alone with yourself outside just staring at the beauty of nature. Don't waste your time playing Runescape. Runescape is not just a 'game' really. I believe that the definition of a game is being able to complete and beat the whole game and moving on with your life. Sure you could play this game again just for fun. But when it becomes a game where it has really NO end and it goes on your list and schedule of your daily life, that's not a game anymore.

 

 

 

If you want just to sit on the computer, you might even read about science or whatever thing pleases you in your future life. Life is about experience and learning from our mistakes. Runescape is an experience which you will learn fromm it ABSOLUTELY nothing, except that you will know that wasting your time in a game rather than going out or just REALLY relaxing outside, is a complete WASTE of your precious time. It's a really lame excuse saying that RS is a great time killer. Doing something useful for your life in your spare time is way more valuable. RS is in fact a great MIND killer. I think the percentage of getting psychologically addicted to this game is WAY higher than other illegal (psychologically addictive too) drugs. I'm not telling you to go and do drugs, but I'm just trying to show you how RS could be an extreme addiction more than some DRUGs.

 

 

 

PS: This is not my first account forum. I always make one and forget it's name/password :(. Sorry, if you got confused or lost of what I wrote but I was 'intoxicated' and feeling deep while writing it. :idea: It seemed like it took me forever to write this ...

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Wow, some frustrationg right there. Perhaps you should take a bucket of chill pills and look at the bright side of life for a change. :thumbdown:

And who said I didn't look for the bright side of life for a change. Actually, quitting RS is a bright decision I've made in my life for a change. And I don't need chill pills, I'm born to be made chill. :thumbup:

I got to admit it it's a really addictive game because people are always trying to be the best.

 

Either if it's just a party hat that you want to afford or get 2376 total or even get 1 skill cape, it still means that it gets your mind fully IN the competitive and challenging atmosphere between other players just to prove you are one of the best.

 

 

 

What's wrong with competition? Sports are all competitive and about "being the best" too but yet you see nothing wrong with them. I agree that some people can take it to the extreme (not eating or sleeping in order to get xp faster) but competition in general isn't a bad concept at all.

So, you are telling me competition in sports is the same thing as competition in RS. So when I hang out with my friends, instead of playing ball,soccer and/or anything, I will tell them: "Hey guys let's get sweaty and play RUNE SCAPE!"...

Playing Runescape for competition is just a proof that you as a person try to compete other people or even yourself in a virtual world which you won't feel any kind of reward for yourself after winning the competition. You know what do we call these type of people? Well it starts with an "N" and ends with "D".

I didn't say ALL competitive games are bad. But when a game starts to be a part of your life and you compare it to physical sports, there is a problem.

But when a game starts to be a part of your life and you compare it to physical sports, there is a problem.

When physical sports become part of your life and you start comparing it to Runescape, there is a problem.

It is a matter of opinion, RS is, in many ways, the same as a sport. The only difference is the exercise...though if you compared it to say, table tennis, then the exercise is about the same. Even the health risks are similar:

Heart attack from doing nothing all day

Heart attack for over exerting yourself

NB: If you spent the 6 or 8 hours a day exercising that the ones likely to die of heart attacks, from playing RS, then you would probably have a heart attack

The difference are:

Added social interactions: you have the chance to talk to anyone of over a million people, compared to 50 in a sports club.

Lack of mentally scaring bullying: It doesn't matter if you are fat or thin, male or female, 10 or 50, you can join in and rub shoulders with everyone, the only requirement is a computer.

Not having to face the harsh truth that you are just not that good at gymnastics/whatever. In RS the only possible harsh truthes you will have to face are: You can't count, you have lost your hand, you should have run away.

Runescape is an escape, and if you need to bury yourself in the game then it is not a bad thing.

I will agree that RS can be dangerously addictive, but it can also be a major eye-opener, you can realise that you are dangerously addicted without having the lasting consequences of Smoking or something such as that...I know that I have an addictive personality, I moderate that addiction by writing this massive replies(So in love with my own voice) and by playing Runescape...

The writing helps me to bring new ideas out of my mind and RS lets me do one thing for a while and then do something else, rather than getting totally absorbed in something.

Anyway, response time:

Do you think it's worth it accomplishing you goals and wasting 1 full month per year of your life just playing a game with virtual people/money/items on it?

Do you think it is worth going to school or work? You are wasting a full year of your year, every year of your life on something that in 100 years isn't going to make a seconds worth of difference.

The only purposes in life are those we(and our Deities) give to it.

Your purpose this week could be to get 99 Fishing, or it could be to earn £99. Does any of it make any difference to anyone else?

Myself, I've played a lot and currently own 65M bank (and have wasted more than 50M on skills/death/range, etc...) and 121 combat. But looking at my account with all the accomplishments I've made, I asked myself, so what now??? From like 2 years ago I spent the WHOLE summer vacation playing Runescape.

We grow up over time. Am I the same person I am when I joined Tip it? No, I am almost completely different! Your time on Runescape helped your to grow up, I mean your whole arguement hinges on your experiance of RS, experiance you would not have if your hadn't played the game!!! Maybe the whole point of those 2 years was to write this, to get my response and to go 'Oh yeah, everything has a point, even if it wasn't the point I was aiming at.' Or maybe you will write a stunning counter arguement and I will go 'Oh yeah, its so clear why I was wrong now.'

In the words of Shakespeare 'Even when a sparrow falls there is provenance'

Seriously, find a part job that could hire you to work 5 hours A WEEK and you could make a nice 180$ a month getting paid at 9$/hour.

I reiterate: Why?

(For the benefit of the reader: I will now include a conversation between myself and an imaginary friend who takes the place of jackata2)

What possible benefit is there to having money?

'Then I can buy things?'

Like what?

'Stuff I want'

Like

'I don't know yet'

So you don't have a goal in mind you just want stuff

'Yeah'

Isn't that a lot like Runescape.

'I don't see the connection'

Well in Runescape you are doing something because you want stuff and if you have money you are doing something because you want stuff.

'I still don't see the connection, RS is JUST a game, RL is real.'

What is the point of RL?

'What kind of a question is that!'

Well what makes RL better than RS?

'Cause its real...'

No it isn'.

'....Crazy'

Well how is a bunch of people milling around calling a random time a second another random time a minute and yet another random time Wednesday. How is real to talk to people without actually saying anything, because you fear they will critise the true you? How is it real to trade bits of paper and funny coloured metals for goods and services? Your real world doesn't seem to have anything real about it...in fact it seems like it is entirely in your, and the people around you's, head.

Runescape on the other hand is very real, I can click on an item and it has a definate, unchangable name. Its not like an Apple, which could have been called the green thing from the tree or a Snogalboggle or any number of other things...It is a solid, definate(virtual) item.

'You are missing the point, RUNESCAPE ISN'T REAL!!!!!!'

Indeed it isn't, but instead of pretending it is real I know that it isn't, yet you continue the persist that the real world is somehow realer.

'Thats because it is!!'

No proof though

'If I hit you with that 2 by 4 you would find out how real it was.'

I might but you wouldn't...Its like proving RS is real by killing another player...see they died....And?

'What?'

Sigh....I am saying that you cannot infer reality just because you are killing things

'I didn't say that!'

Yes you did...you said that if you killed me the world would be proved to be real.

'No I said if I hit you you would get hurt and then you would know the world was real'

Hardly

'You would'

No I wouldn't, it could just be a coincidence

'You are getting desperate now.'

Well perhaps, but the point is you cannot prove that anything is real by hitting it...its like pinching yourself in a dream, because you think there should be pain there is pain.

'Look, whether or not the world is real is not the point, the point is that money gets you stuff that you want.'

No it doesn't

'Sigh....'

Well it doesn't, I want the guy I love to love me, no amount of money will change that.

'Thats free will, you can't change some things.'

So this money thing isn't really able to get you everything you want...

'No, but you can buy other things, other things to make you happy.'

I don't want other things I want him.

'Well you can buy him things then and impress him and then he will love you.'

That doesn't sound very real to me, sounds more like he will love the stuff I give him.

'Which by extension makes him love you.'

No it doesn't, it just proves my point that the real world is entirely false.

'Look, there are somethings you just have to accept and not question'

Why? Why can I not question it?

'Because there are no answers.'

So...Not having an answer doesn't stop the question being asked.

'Whats the point of asking a question which cannot be answered?!'

The point is to find out as many things are you can and to learn from the experiance, what is it they say 'A man who never makes mistakes never makes anything'?

'Thats not really revelent'

Yes it is, it is always worth the attempt, even if you know you will fail

'No it isn't, it better not to fail.'

So instead of failing at one thing in life, you fail at life itself...

'What!'

You fail at life...you never do anything with your life because you never question anything meaning that whatever is remains and whatever is not remains not. You never make anything because you never make mistakes, you never gain anything because you never risk anything...you just drift though life until you die...never having done anything with your life.

'If you are going to be offensive then I am not going to continue this conversation. And FYI, I do plenty of things in my life. I work, I buy things and I use them.'

Can you give an example?

'I Go-To-Work In-The-Car That-I-Brought'

So you brought a car so you could do more work to do what?

'So that I can buy a better car'

Why?

'Because I want to.'

But maybe if you gave the money to someone who actually needed it, or better yet you gave your time to someone who needed it, instead of making money you make people happy.

'But that wouldn't make me happy...how I am going to be happy from helping random people I don't know?'

That is something you are going to have to find out

'In other words you don't know.'

No, in other words you need to find out for yourself, you need to start asking questions-

'I did you said you didn't know, end of.'

You need to start finding answers, not abandoning the quest at the first hurdle.

'See you are obsessed with RS and Quests.'

No, I am merely using a wider vocabulary.

'Obsessed!'

Sigh... Fine, you need to expand your horzions.

'I go to the museum and on holidays, last summer I saw the Pyramids, which was a better use of my time than playing RS.'

Indeed it is, but what did you actually learn about yourself?

'...You do know what the Pyramids are? There is nothing to learn about myself there because they were build thousands of years ago.'

Could you do it?

'Do?'

Build a Pyramid?

'Why?'

Just could you?

'There would be no point...'

Well clearly there would because then in thousands of years time people could go and see it.

'They wouldn't know I did it though, and I wouldn't get anything out of it.'

Course you would, the organisational skills, the muscles...

'But I don't want to.'

Why not?

'Because there is NO POINT!'

But there is...

'No there isn't! Its a pile of rocks, Ooooooo, how amazing, the best part of the trip was gift shop.'

So you didn't actually learn anything from the trip.

'I brought a book WITH MY MONEY THAT I EARNT WITH MY JOB'

I could have gone to the library to get a book, you didn't need to go there.

'Yes I did, it was an experiance.'

A pointless experiance, you didn't get anything out of it except a book that you could have got here.

'No because I always wanted to go to see the Pyramids.'

Why?

'Because I did.'

So no point then...

'It is historical, it is a great achievement.'

You just said it was pointless.

'No I said if I did it it would be pointless'

So because other people did it it is worthwhile.

'Yes...'

Why?

'Because they wanted to!'

Ok.

And so concludes the conversation. I think I covered most the points I wanted to.

But when a game starts to be a part of your life and you compare it to physical sports, there is a problem.

 

 

 

When physical sports become part of your life and you start comparing it to Runescape, there is a problem.

 

 

 

It is a matter of opinion, RS is, in many ways, the same as a sport. The only difference is the exercise...though if you compared it to say, table tennis, then the exercise is about the same. Even the health risks are similar:

 

Heart attack from doing nothing all day

 

Heart attack for over exerting yourself

 

NB: If you spent the 6 or 8 hours a day exercising that the ones likely to die of heart attacks, from playing RS, then you would probably have a heart attack

I didn't say exercise 6-8 hours a day. Or did I? Doing anything in moderation is the key. But what is healthier for you: playing 3-4 hours sports and exercising or playing runescape?

The difference are:

 

Added social interactions: you have the chance to talk to anyone of over a million people, compared to 50 in a sports club.

 

Lack of mentally scaring bullying: It doesn't matter if you are fat or thin, male or female, 10 or 50, you can join in and rub shoulders with everyone, the only requirement is a computer.

 

Not having to face the harsh truth that you are just not that good at gymnastics/whatever. In RS the only possible harsh truthes you will have to face are: You can't count, you have lost your hand, you should have run away.

 

Yes, keep training your communication skill by talking in the internet with people you never ever met and you will never ever meet. That's the perfect way to improve your communication skill. I wonder also if you are going to ask your girl/boy out by MSN or even worse Runescape...

 

Runescape is an escape, and if you need to bury yourself in the game then it is not a bad thing.

 

I will agree that RS can be dangerously addictive, but it can also be a major eye-opener, you can realise that you are dangerously addicted without having the lasting consequences of Smoking or something such as that...I know that I have an addictive personality, I moderate that addiction by writing this massive replies(So in love with my own voice) and by playing Runescape...

 

The writing helps me to bring new ideas out of my mind and RS lets me do one thing for a while and then do something else, rather than getting totally absorbed in something.

 

Okay....

 

Anyway, response time:

 

Do you think it's worth it accomplishing you goals and wasting 1 full month per year of your life just playing a game with virtual people/money/items on it?

 

Do you think it is worth going to school or work? You are wasting a full year of your year, every year of your life on something that in 100 years isn't going to make a seconds worth of difference.

 

The only purposes in life are those we(and our Deities) give to it.

 

Your purpose this week could be to get 99 Fishing, or it could be to earn £99. Does any of it make any difference to anyone else?

 

I was talking about money making off blogs which someone pointed out lately. And I simply replied that working is by far better than making Runescape blogs for money.

 

Myself, I've played a lot and currently own 65M bank (and have wasted more than 50M on skills/death/range, etc...) and 121 combat. But looking at my account with all the accomplishments I've made, I asked myself, so what now??? From like 2 years ago I spent the WHOLE summer vacation playing Runescape.

 

 

 

We grow up over time. Am I the same person I am when I joined Tip it? No, I am almost completely different! Your time on Runescape helped your to grow up, I mean your whole arguement hinges on your experiance of RS, experiance you would not have if your hadn't played the game!!! Maybe the whole point of those 2 years was to write this, to get my response and to go 'Oh yeah, everything has a point, even if it wasn't the point I was aiming at.' Or maybe you will write a stunning counter arguement and I will go 'Oh yeah, its so clear why I was wrong now.'

 

In the words of Shakespeare 'Even when a sparrow falls there is provenance'

hmm...

 

Seriously, find a part job that could hire you to work 5 hours A WEEK and you could make a nice 180$ a month getting paid at 9$/hour.

 

 

 

I reiterate: Why?

 

(For the benefit of the reader: I will now include a conversation between myself and an imaginary friend who takes the place of jackata2)

But just one question, who allowed you to take a 'friend' and talk for me?

 

What possible benefit is there to having money?

 

'Then I can buy things?'

 

Like what?

 

'Stuff I want'

 

Like

 

'I don't know yet'

 

So you don't have a goal in mind you just want stuff

 

'Yeah'

 

And who told you that I want have money just for nothing. I have a lot of things I want to buy and I don't get money just to save it and do nothing with it. Again, who allowed you to talk for me?

 

Isn't that a lot like Runescape.

 

'I don't see the connection'

 

Well in Runescape you are doing something because you want stuff and if you have money you are doing something because you want stuff.

 

'I still don't see the connection, RS is JUST a game, RL is real.'

 

What is the point of RL?

 

'What kind of a question is that!'

 

Well what makes RL better than RS?

 

'Cause its real...'

 

No it isn'.

 

'....Crazy'

 

Well how is a bunch of people milling around calling a random time a second another random time a minute and yet another random time Wednesday. How is real to talk to people without actually saying anything, because you fear they will critise the true you? How is it real to trade bits of paper and funny coloured metals for goods and services? Your real world doesn't seem to have anything real about it...in fact it seems like it is entirely in your, and the people around you's, head.

 

Runescape on the other hand is very real, I can click on an item and it has a definate, unchangable name. Its not like an Apple, which could have been called the green thing from the tree or a Snogalboggle or any number of other things...It is a solid, definate(virtual) item.

 

'You are missing the point, RUNESCAPE ISN'T REAL!!!!!!'

 

Indeed it isn't, but instead of pretending it is real I know that it isn't, yet you continue the persist that the real world is somehow realer.

 

'Thats because it is!!'

 

No proof though

Didn't get your point right here, but if you want to tell me that RL is the same thing as a VIRTUAL runescape world, then I will leave the reader to go with whoever he/she agrees with. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

'If I hit you with that 2 by 4 you would find out how real it was.'

 

I might but you wouldn't...Its like proving RS is real by killing another player...see they died....And?

 

'What?'

 

Sigh....I am saying that you cannot infer reality just because you are killing things

 

'I didn't say that!'

 

Yes you did...you said that if you killed me the world would be proved to be real.

 

'No I said if I hit you you would get hurt and then you would know the world was real'

 

Hardly

 

'You would'

 

No I wouldn't, it could just be a coincidence

 

'You are getting desperate now.'

 

Well perhaps, but the point is you cannot prove that anything is real by hitting it...its like pinching yourself in a dream, because you think there should be pain there is pain.

 

For the third time, who told you to bring 'someone' to talk for me? I never said hitting someone would prove that anything is real by hitting it. Next...

 

'Look, whether or not the world is real is not the point, the point is that money gets you stuff that you want.'

 

No it doesn't

 

'Sigh....'

 

Well it doesn't, I want the guy I love to love me, no amount of money will change that.

 

'Thats free will, you can't change some things.'

 

So this money thing isn't really able to get you everything you want...

 

'No, but you can buy other things, other things to make you happy.'

 

I don't want other things I want him.

 

'Well you can buy him things then and impress him and then he will love you.'

 

That doesn't sound very real to me, sounds more like he will love the stuff I give him.

 

'Which by extension makes him love you.'

 

For the forth time. when did "I" tell you to get money to have love?.. Next please...

 

No it doesn't, it just proves my point that the real world is entirely false.

 

'Look, there are somethings you just have to accept and not question'

 

Why? Why can I not question it?

 

'Because there are no answers.'

 

So...Not having an answer doesn't stop the question being asked.

 

'Whats the point of asking a question which cannot be answered?!'

 

The point is to find out as many things are you can and to learn from the experiance, what is it they say 'A man who never makes mistakes never makes anything'?

 

'Thats not really revelent'

 

Yes it is, it is always worth the attempt, even if you know you will fail

 

'No it isn't, it better not to fail.'

 

So instead of failing at one thing in life, you fail at life itself...

 

'What!'

 

You fail at life...you never do anything with your life because you never question anything meaning that whatever is remains and whatever is not remains not. You never make anything because you never make mistakes, you never gain anything because you never risk anything...you just drift though life until you die...never having done anything with your life.

 

For the 5th time, I NEVER said that. Next...

 

'If you are going to be offensive then I am not going to continue this conversation. And FYI, I do plenty of things in my life. I work, I buy things and I use them.'

 

Who said you are being offensive in the first place? If you did then I didn't :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Can you give an example?

 

'I Go-To-Work In-The-Car That-I-Brought'

 

So you brought a car so you could do more work to do what?

 

'So that I can buy a better car'

 

Why?

 

'Because I want to.'

 

But maybe if you gave the money to someone who actually needed it, or better yet you gave your time to someone who needed it, instead of making money you make people happy.

 

'But that wouldn't make me happy...how I am going to be happy from helping random people I don't know?'

 

WHO TOLD YOU TO TALK FOR ME? WHO SAID I'M NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY FOR HELPING RANDOM PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW?

 

That is something you are going to have to find out

 

'In other words you don't know.'

 

No, in other words you need to find out for yourself, you need to start asking questions-

 

'I did you said you didn't know, end of.'

 

You need to start finding answers, not abandoning the quest at the first hurdle.

 

'See you are obsessed with RS and Quests.'

 

No, I am merely using a wider vocabulary.

 

'Obsessed!'

 

Sigh... Fine, you need to expand your horzions.

 

Didn't get your point to be honest.

 

'I go to the museum and on holidays, last summer I saw the Pyramids, which was a better use of my time than playing RS.'

 

Indeed it is, but what did you actually learn about yourself?

 

'...You do know what the Pyramids are? There is nothing to learn about myself there because they were build thousands of years ago.'

 

Could you do it?

 

'Do?'

 

Build a Pyramid?

 

'Why?'

 

Just could you?

 

'There would be no point...'

 

Well clearly there would because then in thousands of years time people could go and see it.

 

'They wouldn't know I did it though, and I wouldn't get anything out of it.'

 

Course you would, the organisational skills, the muscles...

 

'But I don't want to.'

 

Why not?

 

'Because there is NO POINT!'

 

But there is...

 

'No there isn't! Its a pile of rocks, Ooooooo, how amazing, the best part of the trip was gift shop.'

 

So you didn't actually learn anything from the trip.

 

'I brought a book WITH MY MONEY THAT I EARNT WITH MY JOB'

 

I could have gone to the library to get a book, you didn't need to go there.

 

'Yes I did, it was an experiance.'

 

A pointless experiance, you didn't get anything out of it except a book that you could have got here.

 

'No because I always wanted to go to see the Pyramids.'

 

Why?

 

'Because I did.'

 

So no point then...

 

'It is historical, it is a great achievement.'

 

You just said it was pointless.

 

'No I said if I did it it would be pointless'

 

So because other people did it it is worthwhile.

 

'Yes...'

 

Why?

 

'Because they wanted to!'

 

Ok.

 

Ok, I really started to laugh at this. Okay, now why do you want me to build one? If I say (supposedly) it's pointless because it's easy to build a pyramid with all machines we have right now. But because Egyptians (my real ancestors by the way) built it using NO machine it is great to see and know what methods the humankind used to build amazing things like this. Yes, it is a better experience than exploring Zanaris. And yet again, I will leave the reader to go with whoever he/she agrees with. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It is a matter of a person's opinion I suppose : :lol: :lol:

 

And so concludes the conversation. I think I covered most the points I wanted to.

Same here :)

PS. Sorry if I sounded offensive/harsh or anything. I didn't mean to and I was trying to have a nice calm debate :)

So, you are telling me competition in sports is the same thing as competition in RS. So when I hang out with my friends, instead of playing ball,soccer and/or anything, I will tell them: "Hey guys let's get sweaty and play RUNE SCAPE!"...

 

Playing Runescape for competition is just a proof that you as a person try to compete other people or even yourself in a virtual world which you won't feel any kind of reward for yourself after winning the competition. You know what do we call these type of people? Well it starts with an "N" and ends with "D".

 

I didn't say ALL competitive games are bad. But when a game starts to be a part of your life and you compare it to physical sports, there is a problem.

Sports were just an example. There are other non-physical things that people compete with all the time such as boardgames. And who are you to say they feel no reward? I was proud of myself when I got 99 Hunter. Yeah, I know it's nerdy but it still gives you a feeling of accomplishment, much like winning a game of checkers. Competition doesn't only have to be physically rewarding - it can be psychologically rewarding too.

So, you are telling me competition in sports is the same thing as competition in RS. So when I hang out with my friends, instead of playing ball,soccer and/or anything, I will tell them: "Hey guys let's get sweaty and play RUNE SCAPE!"...

 

Playing Runescape for competition is just a proof that you as a person try to compete other people or even yourself in a virtual world which you won't feel any kind of reward for yourself after winning the competition. You know what do we call these type of people? Well it starts with an "N" and ends with "D".

 

I didn't say ALL competitive games are bad. But when a game starts to be a part of your life and you compare it to physical sports, there is a problem.

 

 

 

Sports were just an example. There are other non-physical things that people compete with all the time such as boardgames. And who are you to say they feel no reward? I was proud of myself when I got 99 Hunter. Yeah, I know it's nerdy but it still gives you a feeling of accomplishment, much like winning a game of checkers. Competition doesn't only have to be physically rewarding - it can be psychologically rewarding too.

Okay. if you think and believe that getting 99 hunter is as rewarding as winning a checkers game in a real tournament, then I guess it's your own personal opinion and I can't punish you for that. But I believe also that telling 'real-life' people around you about an achievement you made in real-life will make you for sure more proud of yourself and is much more rewarding than telling them you managed to catch millions of virtual animals.

Again, it's your own opinion...