[MicroLegionnaire]

I just heard that an acquaintance of mine got kicked out of a clan because he reported one of the members for rather lewd language (involving two girls and rather few clothes) in clan chat. Which of course, is an offense under Rule 1 for offensive language.



And now he's getting booted out of the clan for doing so because the guy he reported got a 24 hour mute.



Is it fair to boot someone out a clan for following RuneScape's rules because another clan member is at the receiving end of the slap from the long arm of the law?



Should loyalty to your fellow blood-brothers (And sisters, please don't kill me feminists!) come before the law?



Or should the rules that govern have the final say?



Ladies and gentlemen of the tipit forums, I present my case, and I now await your verdict.



Edit : Feel free to say what you want about my acquaintance, he's an acquaintance, not a friend per say.

[Punc]

A clan shouldn't report other clanmembers, specially not for language that's being said in their own clanchat. Your friend got kicked fairly really.

It's not the muted one scammed or anything, or did something bad. He probely was just joking around. It's sad to see people like your friend ruining the game by not being able to take jokes and trying to act wannebe mod by reporting everything they see fit.

[MicroLegionnaire]

Makes sense, sounds like what I thought initially. Thats one who votes guilty.

[T_Millard]

He's a bit stupid of he told the clan that he reports them..

[MicroLegionnaire]

T_Millard said:

He's a bit stupid of he told the clan that he reports them..

Actually, they kinda tallied what he said with the conversation that Jagex sent him as evidence.

[Yomyth105]

im confused... the clan reported him? What kind of community is that?



anyways he should just get muted and come back to the clan after he is done serving his mute.

[MirageOfDeath]

There really is a limit on how much loyalty you can show. If someone is being extremely crude and offensive why shouldn't you report them? I can take a joke but where should the line be drawn?

[Tonis]

Both, game rules and clan rules should apply to clan members equally.



Though, reporting a clan mate is a bit unethical. It should have been dealt inside the clan first. Eg someone pointing to language problem in clan and coming up with suggestions and wishes to fix it. Or it being reported to clan's authorities and offender being punished with rank loss or something or even with kicking from clan. On the other hand, I feel sorry for your friend's clan if its rules nor authorities don't care about language issues (Would even suggest better clans in this case).



However, if it already happened that the offender was reported ingame, I as a clan leader definitely wouldn't punish the one reported a clan mate as after all the offender was the one who made a hardcore mistake.

Punc said:

It's sad to see people like your friend ruining the game by not being able to take jokes and trying to act wannebe mod by reporting everything they see fit.

While it's even more important to consider that some people around might / will not consider your joke funny, especially when they are offensive.

[Yes_Its_Ross]

Must have been a low class clan. Runescape rules should come first in any clan and in most clans they would have taken action against the one muted not the one who reported.

[Georgelemmons]

I think he was unfairly kicked from the clan. Even though everyone else in the chat was okay with the language, he obviously wasn't, and had a right to report. RS rules should always come first in a clan.

[evil_mumm_ra]

generally when i'm with friends in clan chat, or private message, or someplace quiet in the world i don't report them. there is just about nothing that can do that will actually have me report them, except for password scamming or something as serious as that. but my friends aren't stupid enough for that.

[Dharockslayer]

Yes_Its_Ross said:

Must have been a low class clan. Runescape rules should come first in any clan and in most clans they would have taken action against the one muted not the one who reported.

Now then, I know a couple of clans who have over 100 members who do swear a tad. These are not low class clans, if anything, someone who reports a clanmate or a friend for offensive language is being low.



Theres a long walk between following the rules, and ethics. Its not the government who is there to talk when you need to talk, its not the government who is there to buy you a hamburger because you lost your wallet. Its not the government who cheers you up after you've been beat up.



Friends should not be reported to authority's for minor rulebreaking, I doubt you would go to the police saying your friend's bicycle light broke down.

And if you do you would be quite a lonely person, since noone would want to be friends with you anymore



Now if clanmates or friends harm someone, and its just a bit too rough, you ask them to stop. If they don't, report them.



The clan who kicked this person is right, the guy should quit being such an authority lover and get some ethics.

[satin_snake]

Friensd > Rules.



So I'd say clan rules would come first, due to actually having a connection with that person.

I sure as hell wouldn't report my friends for mild cussing.

[will_holmes]

I would have thought that the best thing would be to just Report but don't actually say anything about it. Runescape rules over clan rules, but I do see the incentive to do otherwise. Just stay quiet about it and nobody will know who reported.

[bronzewarrior]

bros before hose eh?

[Jard_Y_Dooku]

Depends on the rule.



If your friend murdered a man and ate his brain, would you tell the cops? Certainly, and he's not your friend anymore!

If your friend cut off someone and called him a [bleep]er, would you tell the cops? No, your friend hurt no one and you'd be a jerk for doing so.



It's the severity that should decide. And I seriously doubt the reporter was offended by a discussion of two girls with little clothing. More likely he was getting excited.

[Punc]

Tonis said:

While it's even more important to consider that some people around might / will not consider your joke funny, especially when they are offensive.

It's the idea behind it really, I doubt the clanmember was intending to offend someone. I could understand it if he was scammed or directly flamed, but in this case it was uncalled for.

Besides, being muted is quite damaging for a clan. It lowers your spam strength, which is needed in wars.

[Kilo]

To be honest I wouldn't want to be in a clan with rude, lewd language acceptance. I don't personally report anyone who comes into the clan chat I frequent, but that's probably just because I can kick people out of it, and if any clan members have a grievance they can report them. Staying within the rules isn't hard I don't see why people think it's their obligation to break every rule.



I don't kick my friends (because none of them would be on my friends list if they swore frequently) , only the idiots who make it a personal hobby to piss me off.

[Mc90123]

Your friend shouldn't be in a clan if he reports clan mates for minor offences such as bad language.

[skatedog111]

It all depends on the situation, and how far it goes.



Over the internet, normal chatting, even getting into mature rated things is even that bad, as statistically, 70%(I think?) or so of the ones who view 'those sites' online is 13 to 20 year old males.



Anyways, a clan chat, is a private chat, so really you shouldn't be able to report in there.



If the clan I was in, didn't kick people for reporting for such nonsense, I'd leave, loyalty before the rules.