Adventurer8 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 I was doing a little research into the the average damage of the new dungeoneering weapons earlier, and I figured since I had it and didn't see anything else of the sort I'd share it with yall. I went and calculated the average damage each weapon would do each second, to see how well each weapon directly compared to eachother in terms of damage. This does NOT include accuracy, so don't blame me if you take a dagger to a warrior dressed in primal plate armor and never hit it! =O Weapon name / Base Strength /Max Hit /Damage per Second Primal Dagger | 102.0 | 290 | 59.306Primal Hatchet | 095.0 | 278 | ???? Primal Pickaxe | 092.0 | 273 | ???? Primal Rapier | 109.0 | 302 | 62.917Primal Longsword | 134.0 | 345 | 57.5Primal Warhammer | 132.0 | 341 | 56.836Primal Battleaxe | 140.0 | 355 | 59.167Primal Spear | ??? | ??? | ???? Primal 2h Sword | 162.0 | 393 | 54.583Primal Maul | 166.0 | 400 | 55.556 Primal Spear Bad | 145.0 | 357 | 59.5Primal Spear Good | 152.0 | 369 | 61.5 Fractite Dagger | 027.0 | 161 | 34.042Fractite Hatchet | 023.0 | 154 | ???? Fractite Pickaxe | 022.0 | 152 | ???? Fractite Rapier | 038.0 | 180 | 37.5Fractite Longsword | 049.0 | 199 | 33.167Fractite Warhammer | 048.0 | 197 | 32.833Fractite Battleaxe | 055.0 | 209 | 34.833Fractite Spear | 067.0 | 226 | 37.667Fractite 2h Sword | 080.0 | 252 | 35Fractite Maul | 082.0 | 255 | 35.417 Notes: This does NOT consider weapon accuracy. All average damage was based off of the assumption that every attack would hit. Daggers and Spears can be poisoned on members, so they can deal a slight amount of extra damage. Items like Blood Necklace, Flameburst Defender, Gauntlets, and Boots were not calculated here. Prayers and Potions were not used either. I was not sure of the speed of Hatchets and Pickaxes... They probably aren't best used as weapons anyway... Primal Spear Bad and Primal Spear Good represent a logical estimate of what the strength bonus on Primal Spear might be, since the stats on a Primal Spear are currently unknown. Actual results will probably be inbetween the two estimates. I calculated with the following speeds: Daggers and Rapiers get 1 hit every 2.4 seconds. Longswords, Warhammers, Battleaxes, and Spears get 1 hit every 3 seconds. 2h Swords and Mauls get 1 hit every 3.6 seconds. If any of this is inaccurate, I do apologize. All stats are based off of information off of the Rune Tips forums, Rune Tips Item Base, and Runescape Knowledge base. Maximum hit was calucated with the Tip It Max Hit Calculator. All weapons other than Spears were calculated in aggressive stance. Spears were calculated in controlled stance. Damage was rounded to the nearesth thousandth... at that point they were all repeating decimals. ~10 out of 10 cows agree. The greatest Runescape addition was the rubber chicken. ~Today, we watch Runescape's grass grow. Tomorrow, we watch it's pots boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Since when can we make threads without the slightest research... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepheras Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 If your experiment did not take into account accuracy, how did you go about testing each weapon? "Do you really want to go back to the time when Falador was grey, lesser demon look like goats, dragons look like cows, hellhound look like cats and your character stands as stiff as a statue?" -F1775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UserOnRS Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 If your experiment did not take into account accuracy, how did you go about testing each weapon?Max hit/weapon speed for each weapon, he just used the statistics given to him. It shows that spears are the best weapons and that seems to be what most people think anyway, so it seems pretty accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qeltar Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 No offense intended, but a test that doesn't take accuracy into account is of little value. That's especially true in Dungeoneering, where having the wrong attack style can make a *major* difference in how long it takes to kill things. I just talked to a player who is over level 70 and just dropped a primal maul or primal 2H to make a promethium spear. It wasn't for no reason. Qeltar, aka Charles KozierokWebmaster, RuneScoop - Premium RuneScape Information for Expert Players -- Now Free!Featuring the Ultimate Guide to Dungeoneering -- everything you need to know to get the most of the new skill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer8 Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 Oh yes, I agree that accuracy is very important. However, it is extremely difficult to test for that. (especially without knowing the accuracy formula... and everything you'd fight would have different defense) This is looking purely off of damage potential, it is not intended to show how accurate they are. Now I apologize if that isn't up to your standards, but it's just a little speculation I'd share. X.x ~10 out of 10 cows agree. The greatest Runescape addition was the rubber chicken. ~Today, we watch Runescape's grass grow. Tomorrow, we watch it's pots boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 There is no primal spear. How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlordjl Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 From using several different weapons inside there, here's what I've noticed is best, in order: Spears > 2hs > Longswords/Battle Axes > Mauls > Rapiers > Daggers Rapiers and daggers do not have high enough attack bonuses to be of that much use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Primal Spear, when released, will be top weapon, simply for it's versatility involving attack styles, and it's amazing stab accuracy, which it seems the majority of the current bosses are weak to. That and poisoning it is effective against monsters and a few bosses. Until then I use Prom. Spear P++ my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalpwnage Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 From using several different weapons inside there, here's what I've noticed is best, in order: Spears > 2hs > Longswords/Battle Axes > Mauls > Rapiers > Daggers Rapiers and daggers do not have high enough attack bonuses to be of that much use.I've told people that spears are the best thing to use for a while, main reason being because it has every attack style (stab slash crush) but pures/people not wanting def can't use em Started free trade with 1.5m cash. 2 weeks later, have hit max cash 2x. PvP drops: 359 Brawling Gloves, 11 Vesta's Longswords, 41+ Zaros/Ancient Statues9 Dragon Full Helms, 3 Dragonfire Shields on the old PvP loot system Brawler guide is being finished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer8 Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 There is no primal spear. In the case of the primal spear, I looked at the other weapon tiers to get the general idea of where the strength bonus on it would be. I checked both the high end and the low end of what it might possibly be. I also noted that within my post that that is what I did. X.x Based on previous patterns, it's probably going to fall somewhere in that range... it's just speculation on that part though, which is why I separated those from the rest of the primal weapons. ~10 out of 10 cows agree. The greatest Runescape addition was the rubber chicken. ~Today, we watch Runescape's grass grow. Tomorrow, we watch it's pots boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danqazmlp Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 From using several different weapons inside there, here's what I've noticed is best, in order: Spears > 2hs > Longswords/Battle Axes > Mauls > Rapiers > Daggers Rapiers and daggers do not have high enough attack bonuses to be of that much use.I've told people that spears are the best thing to use for a while, main reason being because it has every attack style (stab slash crush) but pures/people not wanting def can't use em On members they may be, but in F2p they are not. The lower metal ones lack accuracy by a long way, even when using the correct attack style. you are much better off using a maul or 2h in F2p. Want to be my friend? Look under my name to the left<<< and click the 'Add as friend' button!Big thanks to Stevepole for the signature!^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 In F2P I use a fractite battle axe. It has a crush and slash attack, both which train strength. For monsters weak to stab, I just range them (does the same thing, right?) By the way, accuracy and speed are more important (in combination) than outright strength bonus. Why? Sure you could potentially hit 1000/min, but if you always splash, or if the weapon is slow it'll take longer to kill things that normally require 1-2 hits. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer_Jesse Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 There is no primal spear.or spoon for that matter. [hide=Siggy credits]The Awesome, Epic, Amazing, S3xah A-10 Sig By Unolexi! I wub u Uno!InsanityV2 Did the Franz Ferdinand Sig.Killerwatt is responsible for the Arctic Monkeys sig.Pat_61 did the B-2 sig and the raptor sig.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer8 Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 In F2P I use a fractite battle axe. It has a crush and slash attack, both which train strength. For monsters weak to stab, I just range them (does the same thing, right?) By the way, accuracy and speed are more important (in combination) than outright strength bonus. Why? Sure you could potentially hit 1000/min, but if you always splash, or if the weapon is slow it'll take longer to kill things that normally require 1-2 hits. Yeah, that's why I've been using a spear instead of a 2hander or a maul. Spears attack at same speed as battleax, and the stab attack actually seems quite important. (especially since a lot of players seem to keep saying a lot of boss monsters are weak to stab) I'm not so sure ranged neccessarily substitutes for stab attacks... they have different defense stats that apply to them, but at the same time I don't know how many monsters that are weak to stab are also weak to ranged or not. X.x Chainmail and plate skirt warriors should be weaker against both at the same time, at the least. Battleaxes are very good 1handed options though. =O I haven't run into any, but I'd imagine it'd be handy for those dragons. (they're so rare, though. X.x) ~10 out of 10 cows agree. The greatest Runescape addition was the rubber chicken. ~Today, we watch Runescape's grass grow. Tomorrow, we watch it's pots boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 So the battle axes are 5 speed in Dungeoneering not 4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon312 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 So the battle axes are 5 speed in Dungeoneering not 4 ?They're the same speed as spears and longswords, so yes I guess it is 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Well then, someone has to edit wikia's info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Mage Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Well then, someone has to edit wikia's info. So edit it, that IS the point of a wiki. You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Well then, someone has to edit wikia's info.So edit it, that IS the point of a wiki.If you want to edit something without testing it out yourself - be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolcakes Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Spear >> Everything Else. It's been mentioned before, but it has all three attack styles, great speed, great str bonus compared to same class weapons, and almost everything is weak to stab in Dungeoneering. I recently destroyed my promo spear p++ to get primal maul from rammer dude, and I hate it. Can't wait for to get my spear back. I can only think of ever dropping promo spear again for a primal 2H, B axe, spear, or longsword, all of which aren't even out yet... -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UserOnRS Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Spear >> Everything Else. It's been mentioned before, but it has all three attack styles, great speed, great str bonus compared to same class weapons, and almost everything is weak to stab in Dungeoneering. I recently destroyed my promo spear p++ to get primal maul from rammer dude, and I hate it. Can't wait for to get my spear back. I can only think of ever dropping promo spear again for a primal 2H, B axe, spear, or longsword, all of which aren't even out yet... -.-Longsword, 2h and battleaxe are out, and warhammer is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 In F2P I use a fractite battle axe. It has a crush and slash attack, both which train strength. For monsters weak to stab, I just range them (does the same thing, right?) By the way, accuracy and speed are more important (in combination) than outright strength bonus. Why? Sure you could potentially hit 1000/min, but if you always splash, or if the weapon is slow it'll take longer to kill things that normally require 1-2 hits.I use a fractite longsword for stab/slash. For crush, I usually make a fractite pickaxe/hatchet for handy cash so I just use those for crushing. xD And yeah, the accuracy/speed is the reason why speed 5 weapons are the only worth it weapon selection to use (pickaxe/hatchet are speed 5 too). Though, I hate slow weapons so I'm biased against the maul and 2H. And range isn't the same as stab. @ to OP, the rapier is far from the weapon with the most dps... BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer8 Posted April 24, 2010 Author Share Posted April 24, 2010 It and the spear have the most dps "potential". Though, to see this potential from the rapier, you'd have to just about always hit with it... which may not happen unless you're 99 attack and using it on low to mid level monsters. (Who you generally don't have much to worry about anyway) It comes close to the longsword in stab bonus, though... and longswords work well enough for you, you say? It might have some use on monsters weak to stab, but not worth going out of the way for in my opinion. ~10 out of 10 cows agree. The greatest Runescape addition was the rubber chicken. ~Today, we watch Runescape's grass grow. Tomorrow, we watch it's pots boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer_Jesse Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 yeah, it seems the best general purpose weapons are the spear, longsword, and battleaxe. personaly i use a prom 2h b/c its so accurate and strong. [hide=Siggy credits]The Awesome, Epic, Amazing, S3xah A-10 Sig By Unolexi! I wub u Uno!InsanityV2 Did the Franz Ferdinand Sig.Killerwatt is responsible for the Arctic Monkeys sig.Pat_61 did the B-2 sig and the raptor sig.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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