D. V. Devnull

Yes, because the fault for any client-side crash automatically resides with Jagex, who should be able to guarantee that their software runs flawlessly on every one of the hundred million machines that have tried. Seriously, Y_Guy, if Jagex weren't letting their 'Hardware Graphics Acceleration' ('HGA' for short) code do something that has a negative effect against their own 'File I/O' code, whose effect shows severely on older systems, then I wouldn't be pinning the fault against Jagex. (I've actually got a few hs_err_pid logs of my own, thanks to such.) As it stands, I'm personally now sitting with one PC that can't run RuneScape in any mode but Safe Mode without landing in a situation where it can't garbage collect properly after the RS Applet shuts down, simply because the HGA code isn't being handled properly by the Jagex-made RS Applet. Further, Jagex deprecated OpenGL 1.3 (generally the best point to initialize HGA from, IMHO) and DirectX 9a/9b (possibly DX 9c as well now, seeing as this PC here can't use either HGA mode) as to what they support, which is now causing havoc (such as crashes, failed starts, and total inability to use renderers including the "Software" Renderer) for more people than they intended. <_< Yeah, yeah, I know about the whole "For Progress!" thing that's going around. Jagex could still have done better with their code and bleed-over avoidance, and even designed their renderers to scale up from a lesser point. That would have enabled older systems to have the rendering mode minus all the nice effects that later cards can use, and still allow the later cards to render everything they can. And yes, it would have as equally ensured that their code could run flawlessly... Jagex's so-called "Engine Team" just wasn't willing to put themselves out to spend the time/work to do it right. :rolleyes: Now, pardon me while I go back to waiting for an answer from Starr about their issue. -.- ~D. V. "One Simple Truth: Render from the basics up, Never the other way around!" Devnull (p.s.: Y_Guy, could you please avoid sounding inflammatory? Thanks in advance.)

Starr, could you please post up a copy of the most recent 'hs_err_pid' file that you got? It would help greatly in determining where the fault happens to exist at. :mellow: ~D. V. "Grrr... stupid crashes! Why can't Jagex check their [bleep] code?!?!?" Devnull (p.s.: Off-Topic @ Tripsis --- Nice one, lol... had to copy, find thread again, and paste... all before I could post.)

He'll most likely be in the next poll. All the beasties in this one seem to be level 40ish and under. Elvarg is lvl 83. I second this. Jagex did say they were running multiple polls in a series. So hang onto your hat, NJE03, and look forward to the next poll! :thumbsup: ~D. V. "Look ahead, the future's bright!" Devnull

My vote's in... I can't remember some of those (now ancient, for me anyway) boss fights, so I picked one of the bosses that I forgot how I killed. Personally, I hope Jagex makes quests (and not just the boss fights) repeatable for memory purposes one of these days, as well as to be able to compare the old with the new. I'm really surprised they didn't try to simply just do this already, as there are people who are already banging their metal objects for such. :roll: ~D. V. "So many old things possibly worth repeating..." Devnull

what is this I don't even Welcome to Tip.It Forums, where some people put "Cliff's Notes" versions of their thoughts on their hand-typed signatures. It lets people who can't handle a wall of text easily get what the person (in this case, me) was talking about. ;) ~D. V. "Welcome... Enjoy the mini-summaries!" Devnull

<*DVD looks back at all their own replies to the thread, and facedesks even though they know they didn't have a full grasp on the situation before now...*> :wall: So... How hard is it to contact the writer of the Windows-based Driver Files for that WLAN Card? :huh: ... Personally, I think it's time to pwn them for writing such a junk driver that Windows is blowing it. :twisted: ~D. V. "And now I fully get what's going on..." Devnull

<*sees thread, chooses to lurk after seeing what they mean...*> <*comes back, sees this post...*> Nice! Thanks for telling us. I'm glad he got that working the same way as the main website. Please send him our thanks? :) ~D. V. "Awesome!" Devnull

Alright... Just seemed to me like the thread got a little overtrolled at the beginning. :P I just hope we don't end up with a massive crash like this for at least another 4 years. Seeing this happening almost yearly right now is really disturbing. :-? ~D. V. "Seemed like an overtrolling happened... Just hoping this doesn't come again for some time..." Devnull

In that case, if the card is still under warranty, I suggest RMA'ing it in order to get a working replacement. It sounds like part of the card's physical hardware wasn't properly built, and so it more-or-less shorts out (or something like that...) periodically, causing the flakiness. :( ~D. V. "I hope that card can be replaced..." Devnull

I disagree with the non-quest-based route. There is a very nice mining spot filled with clay rocks that is situated south of Barbarian Village (aka Gunnarsgrunn, I think) with twin options (and musicians on the proper routes) for the banks at Varrock West and Edgeville. Using these two paths would highly extend running time, allowing for more Clay mined per hour. :geek: BTW, I just used one of these two recently to create a ton of urns quickly at the pottery wheels in Barbarian Village. :thumbsup: ~D. V. "A speedier choice awaits, from another mine as well..." Devnull

This, if i lost my primal and stuff due to jagex's fault, i'll be LIVID You, Das? Losing your temper? I honestly can't see that happening. :notalk: On a more serious note, RuneScape is back up and running, so I think this is "[/thread]"... Any Mods/Admins want to lock this lunacy that Ren began? :huh: ~D. V. "I think we're done here..." Devnull

Off-Topic, and unloading this from my head: Surprising. In my entire time reading this thread, we peaked at... 415 User(s) are reading this topic 112 members, 295 guests, 8 anonymous users ...all reading at one shot. Good thing I hadn't had breakfast yet, or I would be spitting out my drink right about now. :mellow: BTW, liked a lot of the crazy piccy choices. :thumbsup: ... Sadly, they're all too troll-ish. <_< On-Topic, and venting: It would [bleep] figure, wouldn't it? Just when I wanted to go [bleep] grab some more swordfish, RuneScape would be [bleep] down. Worse, Jagex borked themselves so [bleep] badly that they [bleep] can't even post news to their [bleep] front page. Further, "services.runescape.com" appears to be down, and I can't even get FunOrb's [bleep] pages to actually load to anything resembling an actual [bleep] page at all. :angry: Bright side, at least they've got the problem somewhat pinned down. Now for them to go nail the jerks who started this whole [bleep] mess. Ban those [bleep] who messed everything up, Jagex! :twisted: ~Mr. D. V. "Nice Pics, Nice Trolls... Now if only RuneScape could have avoided going [bleep] down!" Devnull (p.s.: Sheesh, two extra pages of posts before I could get mine posted. This [bleep] sucks!)

You've probably checked this already and/or I may have misread your post, but I've gotta ask anyway. Have you checked the Device Manager to make sure that it isn't powering down the WLAN Card and/or the slot that the aforementioned card is plugged into when it goes into Standby/Hibernate? I'm smelling a "poorly written driver" issue here, that might be possible to work around to an extent for Standby, if not Hibernate. :blink: ~D. V. "Notebook expansion cards... Madness..." Devnull

Hi all... While I'm still back on Java 6u6 (and enjoying it) to avoid this "web dev override" nuisance, the following command parameter might lend some help to those of you stuck on the latest (but certainly NOT greatest) versions: -Djavaplugin.maxHeapSize=###m or -Djavaplugin.maxHeapSize=######k (Obviously, replace all those bloody "#"s with actual numbers or it won't work! Oh, and make sure that you don't allocate more than 25% of your actual RAM with this, or that will cause problems as well.) In case you're truly curious, this command is part of the Sun Java platform and I read the manuals back when they were up and well-kept. I admit that I don't know if it works with OpenJDK/IcedTea/etc. or how it will interact with the latest versions, so if you actually try this, please post back if it actually punches that "web dev override" in the face? Like many of the rest of you, I'm personally very sick of companies getting carte-blanche access to take control away from the user who actually owns the computer, so I'm posting this purely to provide a possible option to escape this issue. :huh: ~D. V. "It's the user's computer, not the web dev's! Let's return that power, if we can!" Devnull (p.s.: Again, I'm providing this post as "option-class" information only. Please avoid flaming me. If it really doesn't work, post back so that we all learn.)

I'll support this. Somebody just make sure there's a 3-month minimum limit before it shows up for an "Old Topic", alright? :huh: ~D. V. "Good idea, even if it has a caveat..." Devnull

Hi there... Have you tried clearing your cookies for just forum.tip.it? It sounds like one of them might have gotten stuck, instead of dissolving like they are normally supposed to. Also, have you checked all of your in-forum personal settings? Perhaps one of them is out of whack. :-k ~D. V. "Possible stuck cookie or setting, perhaps?" Devnull

Pardon this blunt expression, but............... DDDDAAAAMMMMMNNNNNNIIIIITTTTT!!! :angry: Well, this explains why I was showing as not on your friends list when I last checked your chat channel like yesterday or the day before, and definitely prior to some jerk changing your channel's name. Good thing I came back to Tip.It Forums, or I would never have seen something like this to alert me to what happened. Sorry to hear this happened to you, though. :( However, I'm glad to hear you got your account back from the jerk(s) that stole it from you. If you want to get in touch, I've been bouncing between RuneScape and FunOrb's "Steel Sentinels" off and on. So feel free to add me back on and send a private chat message. I'll look forward to hearing from you, that's for sure. :) ~Mr. D. V. "Unholy Ouch! Glad to hear you got control back!" Devnull (p.s.: One of my F2P stats fell below 2,000,000th place, so my combat's reading low. That should be showing as Cb Lvl 85 in my siggy...) (p.p.s.: I don't believe this... I don't have you added to my buddy list on TIF as well? Adding now!)

jimmy, could you please be a bit more clear with what your idea intends? I'm still a bit confused here. Are you just wishing for a way to have "Game + Clan - Public", and re-route all your typing to "Clan" without having to use the "/" key? :-s ~D. V. "Trying to make sense of this..." Devnull

Even though I'm F2P, consider this 100% supported. I could see something similar happen to us nuts with that room full of those nasty toxic barriers. :wacko: ~D. V. "I'm on-board with this!" Devnull

<*reads through thread... sees flaming, but doesn't let it get to them*> :shades: Glad to hear we'll be cracking down on those trolling and/or breaking RS rules now. Didn't know about the mass troll job going on in General and/or H&A, though. It's kinda odd news to my ears, given that I had not seen this kind of stuff happening there in the past. However, it looks like I'll have to give time for the dust to settle before I head near those again to help out f2p'er newbies. Good luck flushing them out while I go sit on the sidelines, so I don't accidentally get dinged for my own slightly wacky posting style. :mellow: ~D. V. "Damn trolls... They're giving better people a bad name who shouldn't get shot..." Devnull

I'm not seeing that here... Perhaps an Admin needs to check things out for you? :blink: ~D. V. "Maybe the forum's having a psychotic moment?" Devnull

Hi, edde9... It so happens you've run into a problem due to Jagex abandoning support for OpenGL 1.3 and earlier. It is also affecting a Graphics Card which I use on a PC here. Sorry to hear you're having a similar (if not the same) problem. :sad: You might be able to fix this by Upgrading your Graphics Card Driver files. I'll admit, however, that's a longshot at best. :???: However, if you don't want to do that, just hold the "S" key on your keyboard during the entire time that the RuneScape Java Applet is launching. That will put you in "Safe Mode" and break out of the mis-rendering in the Hardware-Accelerated Modes. ;) ~D. V. "Sorry to hear your Graphics Card ain't getting along with RuneScape..." Devnull (p.s.: Sending a report to have this possibly moved to Tech&Comp... You might get better help there.)

@ Cowman/tripsis/Y_Guy -- Thanks for the heads-up on this, all of you. At least I now know I'm not the only one seeing it and that I'm not part of a mass psychosis either. Y_Guy & tripsis, sorry to hear you don't have better permissions control on it. Perhaps Peter might be able to have a word with the IPB Support about that? Cowman, thanks for showing me how it works as well via direct example from IPB's own stuff. :shades: ~D. V. "Thanks for the learning experience. Glad to know I'm not nuts." Devnull (p.s.: Updating the thread header now... done.)

I see what Howlin is talking about, and have wished for something like this myself. Strangely (and coincidentally) it would make previews more along the calibre of the RSOF's. So I'll support this. :thumbsup: Heck, TBH, they beat me to posting up this idea. This slight annoyance just hadn't passed my "trouble/difficulty vs. anger/willpower" quotient yet. But now that they've posted it up, I'M JOINING IN! :P ~Mr. D. V. "I also think this Post Preview change would be an improvement!" Devnull

(Off-topic: Hey, pulli, would you PLEASE watch your spelling? Thanks in advance!) I second this, as it has rendered me angry as well from impairing site usability. What's worse is that it happens to offend people like myself that are utterly annoyed by J.B.'s (no, I won't type this idiot's full name) quote-unquote "music" that sounds like annoying junk to us. Hell, this is basically as bad as last year's "Pokémon"-themed junk. I'm now wishing that someone in Tip.It's Forum Staff would get a better sense of humor on their shoulders. :angry: When it hits a point where the site becomes hard to use, it is definitely beyond going too far. Tip.It Forum Staff has therefore resulted in receiving an AdBlock Plus blockade against "forum.tip.it/*/jbc.cur" from me (and a Ctrl-F5 after) for doing this. They had better watch what they do next year, or I'll be changing that to "forum*tip.it/*.cur" in order to permanently counteract any further shenanigans like this. :boohoo: ~Mr. D. V. "If I'm pulling out AdBlock Plus on them, they've blown it..." Devnull (p.s.: I'll be happy when the forum goes back to normal tomorrow... Until then, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!)