I responded to your arguments back in March. This long-awaited posting of your "evidence" is laughable. I mean, look at this, for example: Yeah, you're right, a former mod did post. On page 12. You spent much of the previous 11 pages claiming that you had evidence for this. Whoops, guess you must have been making that up. And BlueLancer didn't exactly command authority, especially considering he showed an incomplete knowledge of mutable offenses, no longer has access to the moderator lounge area of the forums, acknowledged that he was referring to a small portion of the community, and let's not forget the fact that there are many pages of other mods giving evidence contrary to this point, including more than one who said quite plainly that the crown was not important to them. Or this:[hide=jrhairychest wrote]Jagex say Up until recently, one of the main criteria wed look for when inviting moderators would be how many reports theyve sent and how good those reports were Notice the how many is first? You need a volume of reports to work with in the first place. It creates a snitch culture, and links into the trample comment above made by Bluelancer. Lets be honest most RS issues regarding player behavior can be sorted with common sense or is this too much to ask? If Jagex realizes this is such an issue, then no-one can discredit this as this is from them. It takes no skill to report or mute, but it does take skill to deal with people effectively. The mod posts on here denied it was ever about reporting in quantity but the proof is there by Jagex themselves. Is it really a crime to at least want some honour in the game rather than watch your back Jack? Jagex stated on the current crop of mods - Weve done this by offering re-written guidance, putting much less emphasis on excessive reporting. Now why would you rein them in? Too trigger happy? No common sense applied? Make your own mind up on that one. Jagex also say I spoke about the creative, vibrant people we have playing RuneScape. These are the people who can help us change the focus of the moderating community, so these are the people well be inviting to help us do just that. This obviously implies a change of focus by Jagex as to WHO they will recruit for future mods. Selecting those who just reported was never a good idea. A community focus will allow those to guide, not lecture and treat players as adults. I firmly believe Jagex will recruit those who can deal with players better than the current crop of mods we have. Jagex also state on FUTURE mods: Were still looking for players with incredibly secure accounts, players who havent been persistently breaking rules or been horrible to others, and players who have shown absolute dedication to RuneScape and the communities they belong to. To make sure were selecting the best players, every moderator we choose is put through a strict selection process involving five teams here at Jagex, and only those we feel would genuinely make great additions to the team are invited. We really want to make sure this change in focus doesnt have any impact on the quality of the moderators we invite. Community focus, rigorous selection, change in focus. Notice it doesnt say individual focus? Its pretty evident that Jagex have woken up to the fact that players wanted modship to serve themselves. Ties in with Bluelancers comments. If it was ok in the first place, Jagex would not have changed it. Obviously something was wrong and Jagex now needs to implement this solution.[/hide]Really quite brilliant how you've taken a quote that is obviously intended to say "We used to give modship mainly to people who were good at sending accurate abuse reports, and that worked fine" and used it as evidence that all mods "look for trouble" and "gleefully" send out questionable abuse reports. And of course, it also happens to completely contradict the "evidence" for your first point, as BlueLancer stated explicitly that it was only the new mods that he found distasteful, and that the old ones were great. Or this:[hide=jrhairychest wrote]My Quote *Why do they insist on giving lectures to players instead of fact? When a mod is around it is permanently littered with mod chat. Justification Some more issues came up with this on the official RS forums. Players can make their own decisions and they dont need to be lectured at. For some reason mods take on an uncanny schoolteacher approach that irks players. Many of the crop are inexperienced players who lie or waffle rather than give facts or give the wrong information. Jagex want a community approach, so involve and dont tell players like theyre naughty kids. More experienced players (LVL 138, all quest points, min 2000 total) should be used instead of lower level players who bolted in reports. Players would receive more correct information and respect the moderator more in a yeah that guy knows what he is doing. Theres plenty of players who are excellent who fit that criteria but wouldnt be selected in a million years because they report less often. The only people who disagree with this point are mods themselves and those who love them. No surprises really. For more information look through the posts in here. Pretty much all who disagreed were either mods, wannabe mods or my best mate is a mod. This ties in with the self service element that Jagex want to avoid. My Quote *Why, when questioned about how they got their modship do they instantly tele or block a player? - Something to be scared of? Try it yourself sometime. Even though Jagex have freely admitted that players put in a substantial amount of reports, none but a few cared ever to admit it. My only conclusion that I can come up with, based on the denials on here and in game, is that they dont want to admit it. I would certainly be embarrassed if people found out. The posts on here demonstrate a how dare you question us attitude. Well, yes actually Jagex have told us all anyway. My Quote *Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing. The proof is on here. No-one could really answer any questions properly or thoroughly. There were constant denials or claims that I didnt know what I was talking about or I cant tell you as its classified. In this post Ive been called names like moron, idiot, and even a Nazi (This was from an In-game mod. This could have been quite an upsetting statement to some). These are supposed to be respectable players. Since the Jagex posted about mods, most have not been back to this thread, even though Ive seen them active because they knew what I'd been saying proved points. This proves my point about the more player orientated approach instead of the obsolete self service approach. These players are supposed to be dealing with people, and yes I have been a little abrasive at times on here, but look at everyone else. I only gave as good as I got. I would agree with the next person that I would not be a good pmod, but I havent seen much in the way these people deal with other people either. I think the change in the type of player that Jagex want to select jusfifies this point.[/hide] And then, after promising to give evidence to support the rest of your claims as well, you say you're giving evidence, and then you don't give any evidence, and then immediately afterward you claim you've just upheld your views with evidence.