Grimy_Bunyip

you're 90 mining, why don't you just do a few solo mediums and just mine your prom yourself. I'm 90 mining too, and it's not too uncommon to find 3+ promethium rocks in a single solo medium.

nope, that would not work.

only additively, not multiplcatively. sc tool = 200% xp ba horn = 200% xp sc tool + ba horn = 300% xp sc pickaxes suck anyways

What does full penance have to do with the horn? if someone sees you in full penance, they will invite you into their team without a second thought. I don't do BA usually because the wait to get a team doesn't justify the bonus xp. but if I had full penance, that would perhaps be a different story.

i am also up for such an event :)

i hear men in edgeville drop a surprisng amount of loot :P

there have been theories though

His statement implies speed, which means its based on, as you said, gp/xp/time. It was the question you asked. He gets his fun by using those factors in his game. You also asked who supports efficiency. Clearly he does. :wink: his statement implies that speed and enjoyment are one in the same for him, hence the enjoyment.

*Cough* his statement clearly implies that he factors in enjoyment :P why else would have used words such as "like" and "enjoy" and "fun" :P

Well im sure some people define it purely in terms of gp/xp/time, but I'm not convinced that they make up anything close to a majority. So who here, that supports efficiency, thinks efficiency is/should be defined purely in terms of gp/xp/time? and who here doesn't.

I'm not going to try to convince you that the spear is better, because you've already decided that veracs is better. and consequently have wasted the time of every other person by asking that question. but berserker(i) > onyx(i) always, unless you're hybriding or really really need non-crush defense.

I'm not sure why you want a specific example so badly but here's one anyways: it's not relevant to what I'm saying at any rate. My point is that almost no supporter of efficiency defines efficiency as the "purely xp/gp/time" version of efficiency you're proposing. and it's really pointless to say that such a form of efficiency is bad, if nobody thinks it's good in the first place.

Firstly, I did not give a bunch of definitions of efficiency. I gave one definition of efficiency, and I gave several examples of different subsets of efficiency, to show that efficiency is subjective. I never gave more than one definition of efficiency. If your own personal definition of efficiency isn't that of the runescape community, then your definition is trivial. And since your argument is based entirely on your own personal definition of efficiency, your entire argument is trivialized as well. no, you did not say it was respective to the RS community. I was just assuming that it was, and that you were not talking about some imaginary community. You made an obvious statement that X is Y. But since X doesn't exist in the real world. Your statement is pointless. Why don't we also say that dinosaur flatulence promotes global warming. I mean, I'm sure it it would. If dinosaurs weren't extinct. ultimately, your statement is true. But is not relevant.

Please don't disregard the entire rest of my sentence just because i made an analogy about dogs... You should stop defining efficiency so narrowly. As you can see from this thread, none of the efficiency supporters on this thread actually think efficiency is what you think it is. so what's the point of saying your own personal definition of efficiency is the "efficiency" of the runescape community.

efficiency, in its most basic definition, is the quality of acquiring desirable items, or goals, with the last waste. What is desirable, and what is waste, is not specified. You say "that's not efficiency, that's subjectivity". But the fact of the matter is, efficiency is subjective. I mean sure, the form of efficiency that you defined, if used with complete disregard for fun, is simply bad. But you really shouldn't focus on a single subset of efficiency. would you say all dogs are 300 pound beasts based on your interpretation of a few great danes?

Conquest is in fact much slower than a good 115+ PC world. The point rate for conquest, was apparently, nerfed at some point. Tieing in conquest is afkeable with a friend though. it's a matter of 40 PC points per hour afk vs about 100+ per hour in a good 115+ world (roughly)

They sure are a lot taller than i imagined

Having wide variety of menageries are nice and all, but they are very generic and will never really catch anybody's eye. Filling your menagerie with say, 15 zamorak hawks on the other hand. That would raise some eyebrows.

Air battlestaffs are much more efficient than d'hide bodies. D'hide bodies may be more xp per body made. But an air battlestaff takes 2 game ticks to make. whereas D'hide bodies take 4 game ticks to make. also consider that d'hide bodies cost 2x more gp per xp. only equal if you get SC tools, which will cut into your xp rate. The only drawback of battlestaffs, is the 100 per 4 hour buy limit.

rapier, CLS is really only for people who do nothing but hunt bosses all the time. in which case if you do hunt bosses all the time, the CLS could be better, but it's not 100% proven yet.

you really shouldn't go to youtube for guides >_< Fallacious; both YouTube and forums (like these) have good guides. People are just generally unaware of tips at tormented demons, I suppose. Please give feedback, though? :) forums have good guides, but i've yet to see a youtube guide with information that I did not already know, or find in greater detail in a written guide.

you really shouldn't go to youtube for guides >_<

So your saying people who don't play efficiently are "highly stupid"? What? By the way, I don't make decisions based on "the most efficient manner to do so". I choose to play minigames over killing dragons, or fight for worlds to MH. And I don't consider myself "highly stupid" :rolleyes: He's using the word efficient in a more general term than what you are interpreting. Killing dragons is not necessarily more efficient than playing minigames. In the strictly gp/xp/time interpretation of efficiency, that would be true. But you need to realize, that that is not the interpretation of efficiency.

so you'd say that the average efficiency person is more rude than the average person who doesn't really care? I don't think it's fair to judge the average efficiency person based on such a standard. On average what kind of person gives back to the RS community? I'd say an efficiency person. They're generally the people offering their time collecting data, and writing guides. How often have you stopped to say "thank you" to them. And how often have you stopped to say "stop being elitist" to them. maybe you should stop acting so negative towards our little community.

I was making a general statement about anti efficiency. there's idiots on both sides like I said. I just don't understand why you're arguing against efficiency if the problem's on both sides.