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Short, sweet and straight to the point i like it! :D Yeah, the poor kid doesn't have the brainwaves to post anything longer. When he can actually use the frontal lobe of his obviously shrunken and undersized gray mass to post something logical, I'll quit RS. All he can do is "NH owns, you suck, lololo"...which I don't think reflects too well on his "comrades in lame pking" cause. Pking with skill owns. You suck. Lololo. :thumbsup:

You don't pk. :P

Sorry, but he is right. So what if there are three melee attack styles and magic and ranged? They have little impact. People don't use anything but slashing melee attacks and magic or ranged for different situations. It's extremely rare that somebody brings a crushing weapon or whatever to a monster because it's rumored they're slightly weaker to them. The only weapon that ever gets used is the one with the best dps. As for controlling combat, it's point and click. Now before everybody starts flaming me here, I'm a pker that likes the combat system in RS. Just because it's simplistic doesn't mean it's bad - I like it, and probably everybody here does - but it still is simple. Even though it does get more complex on the pvp scale, it's nothing compared to other mmos when you have to toggle stuns, kiting, fear spells, dots, mana and other elements. Runescape probably places a 2 or 3 on a complexity scale of 1 to 10. But hey, who cares? :D He really isn't. Consider the dk, kq, kbd, barrows, metal drags, jad, desert treasure bosses, the knight waves mini-game, rfd bosses, dagganoth mother to name but a few where attack style makes a HUGE difference. It also applys to many giants and dragons etc in mid-levels. Everyone knows good crush defence is needed agaisnt giants and that normal dragons are hard to hit with magic. and your way underestimate its complexity. stuns and kiting trasnfer into special attacks. mana is applied as runes within rs. People are naive these days they take it at face value. Compared to pretty much every mmorpg out there runescape combat system at a superficial level is a simple point & click. But dig a little deeper and you'll see how it is actually pretty complex in the range of attack styles, combat aids, monster weaknesses and even how the combat level is produced. It is by no means the most complex, but equally it is by no means non-intuitive or as simple as you make out. If it was that simple we could all throw on some armour and kill any monster we picked with little trouble (if levels sufficed) as it stands ESPECIALLY in high level monsters you may as well commit suicide unless you take the right kind of weapons and armour to maximise damage you inflict and minimise damage you take. If was all so simple there would be no guides at all on how to hunt these high end monsters as you wouldn't need certain setups. Half the issue here is people are seeing intuitive to mean complexity of use or control. It is NOT this at all and nor is it all about the player. Intuitive relates to how much thought and intuition is required in order to get the best results out of the system. Given that it takes about a week - a month for most new boss monsters to get successful killing methods calculated for them I'd say that counts as a pretty intuitive combat system I'm sorry, but he is. Yes, there are weaknesses programmed into RS monsters - but that doesn't make it complex. When I say complex, I don't mean "look up a quest guide, find out the barrelchest boss is weak to crush attacks, and pack a dmace instead of a dds." I mean games where a half of a second is the determining factor between a wipe for your team and getting an awesome drop. Sure, I know there are times on occasion in RS that you have to make a few quick decisions, but saying that killing the KQ takes skill is a joke. Yeah, everybody knows magic is horrible against the KBD. So don't bring it, and you do fine. Simple. Fighting the KQ? Your strategy is to eat before 50 hp, wear verac, and protect magic - or if you want to be different, a crystal bow and a whip work fine for more advanced players. And metal dragons? I don't see how that helps your "use their weaknesses" argument, when the two attacks they're strongest against are slash and magic, and those are the only two people ever use against them. Now, with that part past me, let's move on. Not in any way, form, shape, or whatever do special attacks even come close to equaling the skills needed when pvping in other mmos. Special attack; 1; Click combat menu 2; Click special attack 3; Watch character hit twice with his dagger Wow. I'm not even going to explain how silly that is, because if you haven't played anything but RS, you wouldn't understand simply because you don't have anything to compare it to. Yes, of course, you have to use that special attack at the right time, but even then, that doesn't measure. Mana > Runes. Mana is limited, if you have money, runes are not. While that alone doesn't make a game complex, it factors in. Magic in RS, with sufficient funds, can be both limitless and unending. That's not possible in a mana based system. No, runes do not equal mana. Don't call me naive (not even in inferance) when you're the one speaking out of lack of experience. If you don't believe that RS is simplistic compared to the average mmo, drop me a pm, and I'll show you a couple ones you can play, absolutely free, and in one week my point will be proved. RS is fun, yes, but complex? At least in combat, hardly. Hmm...that doesn't sound right. I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that Everquest and Ultima Online both predate RS. I really, really doubt it was the first.

Sorry, but he is right. So what if there are three melee attack styles and magic and ranged? They have little impact. People don't use anything but slashing melee attacks and magic or ranged for different situations. It's extremely rare that somebody brings a crushing weapon or whatever to a monster because it's rumored they're slightly weaker to them. The only weapon that ever gets used is the one with the best dps. As for controlling combat, it's point and click. Now before everybody starts flaming me here, I'm a pker that likes the combat system in RS. Just because it's simplistic doesn't mean it's bad - I like it, and probably everybody here does - but it still is simple. Even though it does get more complex on the pvp scale, it's nothing compared to other mmos when you have to toggle stuns, kiting, fear spells, dots, mana and other elements. Runescape probably places a 2 or 3 on a complexity scale of 1 to 10. But hey, who cares? :D

There'd be no point to go to any other city and run the risk of getting killed, so Lumbridge was used extensively. I [and I doubt I'm alone in this] would hate it if the entire game except for one or two cities was all Wilderness. I'm playing a game right now that's pk anywhere, game rocks, nobody hates it. Sure, it's not fun when you get ganked by some enemy guild, but they turn always comes. It wouldn't be a bad idea, but there are too many sissys that wet their pants the second a player attacks them, so it'll never happen again. You know what you sound like? Some nerd who plays this game for money - aka, somebody logs in and basically "works" in a game designed for fun. Pking isn't a money maker. Sure, you do pick up some cash from it, if you're good, but that's a bonus. We pk for the fun of pking. We play for fun. What do you do? Play to cut mages? :lol: And get tagged to death by 15 level 80s. Solo pking sucks now, that's why I don't pk much anymore. It's full of people abusing the single zone system - and if you step into multi, you're asking for a 3 second death. Would you like to spend quite a few hours hacking away at a big dungeon only to have the ultimate reward taken by some PKer who simply popped a few potions and grabbed a weapon? Don't bring it, then. :roll: Why, and have everyone at risk of PKing constantly, even if they're simply trading items? There would still be safe spots. Back when it was pk everywhere, lumbridge was the center of the world, because it was a no-pk zone. I wouldn't have any problems if the areas outside say, the major cities, was lowish level wildy at all times. Trust me, this system does work, it's been done in other games with huge success. I don't get how people think teleblock is this great "cure-all" for teleporting. Allowing teleportation in the wildy was a dumb idea from the getgo for Jagex. There was no reason for it - it ruins the entire risk factor. And as well as that, prayer sucks too. Honestly, I wanna know what Jagex was smokin'. It screwed up pking from the day it was released. And logging? Most games force you to wait 60 seconds to log out after combat. 10 is stupid. Nah, this game was never designed with pvp in mind.

*taps on glass* Does he bite or something? Sorry mate, you'll have to ask the curator. I only work here on weekends. :

No one said they were dealing with partyhat merchants. There's a merchant for everything; not all of them start big. For those that aren't with the best of the best (or just aren't in the market for a paper hat), we deal with people that we have no idea how they got this much money in the first place (low stats, high-value items). Keep that in mind, if you would. Not all of us deal with rares. And those beginner merchants generally work with low-profit items, like barrows gear and whips. When the average level 60 has enough for a whip, and any generic player can make 80k an hour picking flax, getting enough money to start merchin' doesn't take much. As for the rare lowish rich merch, they're just good. Too many people say merching doesn't have anything to do with skill. :roll: Those are the people that brag about thier skill at woodcutting mages or running laws or crafting nats or whatever. Merching does take skill. I don't know how many times I've had people ask me "what should I merch with 3m?" "what did you merch to get your money?", blah blah blah. Contrary to what almost every non-merch thinks, this isn't an easy field. You need to know what to merch, where to merch it, when to invest, when to pull out...it's not just buying 10k feathers for 5 ea and selling for 10. :roll: wow, and people tell me i have a big ego for calling any1 under 110 combat a low lvl. Yup, I love my ego, Mr. Generic Skiller. :thumbsup: At least I don't make my money by staring at a screen watching my toon cut willows. Merchin' isn't easy, but 1m a day? Bah, I can make 5m on an average weekday in 3 hours. No wonder the monkfish peeps go green. Oh? I thought it said on the mainpage and game intro in several spots this game has no limits on your character's choices in the game? (Excluding the rules, of course). I choose to make money to buy items with. Tell me that's not playing [/img]this game, and you'll prove you're just another hater.

But you still agree it's not fun when someone with simular stats to you flips on their prayer, right? Or even if that pure happens to have 52 prayer, and protects right back? Since I don't like others doing that, I don't do it myself. That's just my thang. If I don't think I'm going to win a fight, I leave before I would need prayer or teletabs.

I merchant. I don't autotype (80wpm). Do I have stats? I'd have to check... :-k First, it's not hard for somebody with talent to start merching. I started a pure, made 20k farming cowhides, merched that, end of the week I had 1m. That's just a brand-new pure, starting from scratch with no resources. It's even easier with someone with stats and a bit of cash to start with. And I'd have to argue that most merchants actually do have stats. Check out the phat section of the market, where the best of the best hang out, and you won't see a bunch of level 40s. The average merchant has rather nice stats. Sorry, but your impression of a merchant doesn't hold true to this phat merchant's own experience with other marketers.

I didn't call you stupid, but honestly, if that was sarcasm, its not the best I've seen... :-k Anyway, I don't think you, or anybody else that pks, pks just to waste sharks and watch 15s and 10s for the fun of it. Of course anybody will prefer tieing to dying...but if you switch on your prayer almost every single time you start a fight, forcing a tie, that just sorta says you must be thinking that your only two options were tieing with prayer or dying... I'm not going to say if you're a "real pker" or not, but if all the stuff you do in the wildy is more like being "player splattered", not "player killing", and you need prayer just to tie in most fights, you can't really call yourself a "pker" - "player killer" - can you? Whether or not that's you, I can't say, but that's the meaning behind the term.

There already are a lot of rants. Just go down the front two pages, maybe 3, 4 rants about that one word? Just ignore it, seriously. Who cares if you get called a "noob" by some 10 year old? Well, appearently the thread author does... :?

Because it doesn't go anywhere. Praying in a 1v1 fight makes you almost unkoable, and because that forces the other person to pray, nobody is going to win that fight and it's wasting time. well if thats how they see it they dont have to pray...no ones making them Don't be stupid. We don't pray, unless someone else forces us to, and if somebody prays from me, I'm not going to leave mine off just so "somebody dies". I honestly can't believe you suggested that... :roll:

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Because it doesn't go anywhere. Praying in a 1v1 fight makes you almost unkoable, and because that forces the other person to pray, nobody is going to win that fight and it's wasting time.

Sheesh...here I run over the same old stuff I said before... Pking is fun because you kill people. When one person prays, forcing the other person to pray, nobody dies - that's not fun. Yes, it's being disrespectful by taking someone else's time...just like closing doors on people and answering someone's questions wrong. It's not fun when you have a crappy connection and some idiot keeps closing the door so you can't go anywhere. It's disrespectful. As for your "options", I'll answer b and d; I do deal with it. I'm starting to agree more and more with 124's analysis of your personality. You enter things admitting defeat. Not only in your gear and what you pack and how you pk, but even with comments such as "I'm not going to handicap myself for a dead system". That's where we differ. Where you think "It'll never happen, I'm not even going to try", I think "It's not going to happen, unless somebody takes a step in that direction." I do things. Even if I'm the minority, I do it. I don't plan to fail, I shoot for success, even if the odds are low. I'm not a defeatest.

Whatever floats your boat.. But how is teleporting doing anything at all to "take me down" seems like by running away you have done exactly the opposite. We frankly could give a damn what you think.. You might want to act like a jerk in the wilderness and thats your right.. If we cant be bothered staying arround to fight your praying teleporting [wagon] then thats our right. He never said hat teleporting was helping him win the fight, he said that he uses it to prevent giving up his pixles... And further more the only one whos being a JERK in the wild, are the ones calling us noobs for useing or skills to kill them, or prevent them from getting our stuff!-No one said you had to fight us! Wrong. You said we have to fight you when you stepped into the wildy wearing pking gear and attacked us. It doesn't seem anybody is getting the point behind "honor". YES, you have the right to teleport and pray. You also have the right to close doors on people, be a jerk to anybody 2 levels below you, teleother spam in the barrows, make a level 3 looter, give false information to whoever asks you a question, the right to run around wearing a pink skirt, steel 2h, leather body and a red/blue cw helm - you have the right to do anything within the rules. That doesn't mean you're going to do any of those things. I'm assuming you're not one of those idiots that camps at dharok or verac in the barrows with some alchs and 20 teleother lumbridges. You respect the other players enough to not try and ruin their fun and take their items. You respect other people in general enough that, even if you don't know them, that you won't get greedy and pixel hungry and try to "pk" some barrowser using whatever cheap method you can come up with. You aren't going to keep shutting the door on somebody in hopes that the evil chicken will finish them off. Why does that respect for other people stop when you enter the wildy? The honor system is misnamed imo. It's not "honor", it's "respect", and I don't think anybody will disagree that this game needs more respect between players. It's respecting the other people enough that you aren't going to ruin both you and your opponant's time and money. It's respecting other people enough that you're not going to jumpspec somebody after a dm. It's respecting other people enough that you aren't going to flip on prayer and run the second somebody hits something above 35. I pk for fun. I go into the wildy to kill other people, and in turn, it's inevitable I'm going to get killed a couple times myself. It's not fun when every person you try to pk teletabs the second they run low on food. That's why I don't teleport - I want fun for myself, personally, so I'm not going to ruin the rare person that pks me's fun. Golden rule, whatever...but that's the way I am. I know exactly what you're going to say the second you read this - "Do you call it respect when a pker flames me for teleporting or praying 1v1?" Pures almost always come to the front of this - they yell the most, and the loudest. Don't think this system started with pures, it didn't. They hijacked something for their own purposes. It didn't start with them, so don't judge pking on what they say. I've seen people outside this game say RS sucks - only because they don't like the immature people they met ingame. Just like you and I know, while that is true, you shouldn't measure RuneScape by a few 10 year olds on pc'd acounts. Sure, the flaming may not be ok. Just don't judge something by the way individuals represent it.

Sir, pures can be stopped. Ancients + Ahrims Rune pure + Piety. Rune pures can't use piety. 65 def req.

Almost always good fight, but it can mean girlfriend. Depends on context.

Law running was never designed for the most advanced players. It's better than some things out there.

This isn't simply "opinion". This isn't "garlic tastes worse than sprouts, chocolate is better than vanilla". This is a debate. You argued that Jagex doesn't care about its players or their own game, we argued back. You took offense at our arguments. That's not our problem. If you want a place for a one-sided tirade where nobody can oppose your ideas, make a blog. This forum is for open discussion, not soap-box speeches.

In other games, killing 10 of a monster before having to take a break is pretty good. Keep practicing, it'll get easier.

I take great care in not criticizing people if it isn't constructive. I suggest you do the same, or "debating isn't for you". :roll: If this had been the first thread I've ever read with the "Jagex doesn't care" line of thinking, I might have acted differently. This isn't. Just like it grinds you to see low results against autoers, it also irritates me slightly when there are several different threads on the RSOF and various fansites blaming Jagex for the botter problems and/or accusing it of inaction and even indifference. I'm going to head this off before you say it - this is not directed personally towards you. Absolutely not. This is directed towards this argument in general, the argument that's been repeated for months all over the web. You say I was using unconstructive criticisism. I don't think I was. I recommended instead of complaining about a problem, try and see how difficult it is to fix. It's not easy. Occasionally an idea is posted in the suggestions forum, but often they aren't feasible or effective. The bottom line is: unless every single mmo corperation in the entire world is "corrupt", if there were a nice, simple way to defeat gold farmers they'd be using it. There isn't, and big games worldwide have this problem. This ain't Big Lots, there's no 'easy button'.

My god, this thread has turned into Grammar Police headquaters. Get off it, will you guys? He hardly mispelled anything. He posted a legitmate rant, and all anybody can do is jump on grammar.

You are wrong if you think everybody is ready to cheat(and promote botting) simply to get something cheaper. A lot of people know better than that. I think it's far too easy to criticize the person having an opinion than criticizing the opinion itself. What I do or not do, is none of your business. I don't know why you're taking offense, I'm not trying to tell you to do anything. I showed why I disagreed with your post, that's all. I disagreed with your idea, but it's not something personal. If that offends you, then I'm afraid debate isn't for you.