Get these icky George Bush views outta' here. Seems like ever since he said "There should be limits to freedom of speech." everyone on the right-wing religious side has been calling for everything to be censored.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, why do you care? You believe in God, right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways. So why do you care about censorship? Why do you care about anything? Seems your faith in God isn't that strong if you're actually concerned about worldly politics...Does the Bible not say you shouldn't even get involved in such things? Obviously for that reason...The world will end eventually and nothing you worked for will ever matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop caring. Noone wants to be censored, and if you're so concerned with it, MOVE TO CHINA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG what is it with all you morons dragging religion into everything. First of all you were the first one to bring up the religious aspects of this conversation. Second of all why does everyone here seem to think

 

 

 

conservative viewpoint=fundamentalist Christian=super religious=only listens to Bible

 

 

 

There is no logical tie in most of those. I'm conservative, but I'm a borderline Catholic, not a fundamentalist Christian. The Bible (something I do believe to be correct most of the time) says that homosexual actions are immoral and I will immediately burn in fiery ghenna when I die, yet I'm still gay. Stop thinking that every conservative has the exact same viewpoints as every other conservative and President George W. Bush.

 

 

 

Furthermore, your reasoning is completely flawed anyway. Even if I knew the world would end tomorrow I would probably still work for positive change because a principle part of Jesus' message was that we must work for social justice. And why do you assume in the first place that everyone who believes in God thinks the world will end sooner than later? Congratulations, I've lost that much more faith in humanity thanks to your utterly unimportant and poorly thought out comment. You win the 1st place stupidity ribbon!

People have different views on life. If I had my way, I'd censor george bush from tv, rap, gangster video games etc... But some people might enjoy those things.

 

Get these icky George Bush views outta' here. Seems like ever since he said "There should be limits to freedom of speech." everyone on the right-wing religious side has been calling for everything to be censored.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, why do you care? You believe in God, right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways. So why do you care about censorship? Why do you care about anything? Seems your faith in God isn't that strong if you're actually concerned about worldly politics...Does the Bible not say you shouldn't even get involved in such things? Obviously for that reason...The world will end eventually and nothing you worked for will ever matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop caring. Noone wants to be censored, and if you're so concerned with it, MOVE TO CHINA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG what is it with all you morons dragging religion into everything. First of all you were the first one to bring up the religious aspects of this conversation. Second of all why does everyone here seem to think

 

 

 

conservative viewpoint=fundamentalist Christian=super religious=only listens to Bible

 

 

 

There is no logical tie in most of those. I'm conservative, but I'm a borderline Catholic, not a fundamentalist Christian. The Bible (something I do believe to be correct most of the time) says that homosexual actions are immoral and I will immediately burn in fiery ghenna when I die, yet I'm still gay. Stop thinking that every conservative has the exact same viewpoints as every other conservative and President George W. Bush.

 

 

 

Furthermore, your reasoning is completely flawed anyway. Even if I knew the world would end tomorrow I would probably still work for positive change because a principle part of Jesus' message was that we must work for social justice. And why do you assume in the first place that everyone who believes in God thinks the world will end sooner than later? Congratulations, I've lost that much more faith in humanity thanks to your utterly unimportant and poorly thought out comment. You win the 1st place stupidity ribbon!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol: Ah yes, I win the stupidity ribbon, and your rambling incoherance was completely brilliant!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, genius, I didn't assume squat. I said "Hey, you believe in God, right?" <-- That's a question, then, I said "Why do you care, then? The world is going to end anyways." which is a valid point. Is it a worthy cause to, say...Stop child slavery, even if the world was ending tomorrow? Yes. How about murder? Yea. But censorship of stuff so kids might not see it? WHO CARES. Learn2parent and stop punishing us all because one kid on Paxal shot someone in the face and blamed it on GTA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, if you believe in the Christian God, you're OBVIOUSLY going to have to accept that the world will end. It says it right there. No, not there...There. Yea. That one.

Well now that you got that out of your system Tigra, please stop flaming religious views that aren't even being brought in the first place except by you flaming them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like how no one tries to respond to my post about censorship the government already does correlating with child abuse.

Education should replace censorship

i agree with u xplsvbam, there is not enough censorship.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there is too many immoral things on our tvs these days like nudity, violence n sex. all of those things can cause damage not just to our children but to us as well - how is it healthy to watch ppl shooting each other?? how is it healthy to watch ppl having sex on tv??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the answer is its not, all the nudity and the sex on tv now incourages sex before marriage which is wrong and it is not just hurting our society from a moral point of view, but from a physical one too by all the diseases sex before marriage spreads.

 

 

I agree with both of you. The only problem is that you are talking complete freedom, which parents don't have. For example it is child abuse (against the law) to neglect your child. Neglect can range from psychological and physical issues. Basically supporting laws against child abuse but being against censorship is hypocritical. I'm not saying you are wrong that parents should be responsible, because they are, I'm just saying it isn't realistic of the government not to censor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not against freedom, I'm against abuse of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you realize it is illegal to yell fire in a movie theatre (if there isn't really a fire)? It may be funny but ultimately unnecessary. Is it not possible that somethings in the media aren't necessary? And why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Child abuse isn't 'censorship' its illegal. What I was talking about was simply the parrents should decide what their children are and are not exposed to, not the government.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, again, the fire thing isn't 'censorship' in that sense either. Its maybe, at best, a really weak kind of censorship against what you can say but it is completly necisary.

The government does decide what the child should be exposed to. Have you ever heard social workers? Parents get their children taken away for allowing their children to be exposed to things the government decides they shouldn't be exposed to. Looks like censorship to me. So why are you against child abuse but also against censorship. Clearly they correlate, at least specifically speaking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point of the fire statement was to show that sometimes freedom of speech can cause unnecessary consequences because of unnecessary motivations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*sigh...*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, I know that currently the government censors things. I never said that they don't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as trying to put child abuse and censorship on the same page, what the hell? One causes real physical and emotional problems while a parrent deciding on what their child is exposed to doesn't. I don't even know how you can compare the two because I am talking about censorship in the media.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, freedom of speech can but there aren't many situations where it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i agree with u xplsvbam, there is not enough censorship.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there is too many immoral things on our tvs these days like nudity, violence n sex. all of those things can cause damage not just to our children but to us as well - how is it healthy to watch ppl shooting each other?? how is it healthy to watch ppl having sex on tv??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the answer is its not, all the nudity and the sex on tv now incourages sex before marriage which is wrong and it is not just hurting our society from a moral point of view, but from a physical one too by all the diseases sex before marriage spreads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet another closeminded post by carlin ladys and gentlemen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if you think that (I'm not going to argue your belief) it is better that the parrents censor what they feel right acording to their life style for the child and not the government. As I said what is right for one child isn't for the other, its up to the parrents to decide in the end.

 

 

 

:lol: Ah yes, I win the stupidity ribbon, and your rambling incoherance was completely brilliant!

 

 

 

My rambling incoherence(spelled right unlike you)? Lol. Everyone else here seemed to understand what I was saying. I'll just use smaller words for you in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, genius, I didn't assume squat. I said "Hey, you believe in God, right?" <-- That's a question, then, I said "Why do you care, then? The world is going to end anyways." which is a valid point.

 

 

 

Well first off, thank you for recognizing that I'm almost a genius. I mean I am in Mensa, are you? Didn't think so. And second, you did not just say the world is going to end, you said:

the world is going to end sooner than later anyways.

There is a big difference in those two. Not all religious believe that the world will end very soon. Once again you show your true ignorance. Furthermore you said

You believe in God' date=' right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways.[/quote'] According to God the world is not going to end sooner than later. Jesus merely said you know not the hour I will come again, meaning be ready every day. He did not say "I'm coming tomorrow", so take your preconceived notions of the Christian religion relating to the apocalypse and stuff it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it a worthy cause to, say...Stop child slavery, even if the world was ending tomorrow? Yes. How about murder? Yea. But censorship of stuff so kids might not see it? WHO CARES. Learn2parent and stop punishing us all because one kid on Paxal shot someone in the face and blamed it on GTA.

 

 

 

I never said we should censor violence or sexual content. In fact if you look at my first post thats exactly what I said we shouldn't do. But does that mean we shouldn't worry about the long term psychological damage caused by them? NO. Is it possible that people just want someone to blame? Yes. But is it also possible that these displays when seen by certain people will lead to serial killers and rapists? Once again yes. Why not try to make the world a better place?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, if you believe in the Christian God, you're OBVIOUSLY going to have to accept that the world will end. It says it right there. No, not there...There. Yea. That one.

 

 

 

I accept that the world will end. I also accept that I am going to hell when I die. So this is the one place of your post that I agree with you, except that stupid "No, not there...There. Yea. That one." WTH is that crap. I just hope that all of you who do not know Jesus did not reject him, for then I shall surely see you in hell.

Censorship is the reason why China is a bleephole.

Well now that you got that out of your system Tigra, please stop flaming religious views that aren't even being brought in the first place except by you flaming them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like how no one tries to respond to my post about censorship the government already does correlating with child abuse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DID I FLAME RELIGIOUS VIEWS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's great you guys can all read so well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: As for Captain "Still in highschool, but in MENSA, which means I'm smart and people actually think my opinion matters!", noone cares. Wow, you're in MENSA? That's great. How does it feel to have to be put into a group just to declare yourself brilliant? "Lookit meee! I'm in this group! That means I'm smarrrrrt! Yaaaay!" No, shut up. I don't even know what the hell MENSA is (heard of it, but didn't have it 'round here), and I don't have to be in a group to say I'm smarter than you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is, it doesn't matter when the world will end. It's irrelevant as is trying to change laws that are also irrelevant. Wow, your kid is seeing boobies on TV? Guess what? Not our problem. It's yours. Learn2parent and he wouldn't be seeing them, would he? As for the rest of us, we're mature enough to say "Hmm, those are boobies on the TV...I'm going to not watch this because I don't really want to see some skank's boobies on TV." That's what I do. Some may find it odd that I don't wish to see boobies on my TV 24/7, but it gets kinda' old after the first and second and 487th time I saw them on TV by the time I was 13. I (and many others) just don't care anymore. Girls Gone Wild commercial? No thanks, kill yourself. Late night boobie-movies? No thanks, die in a fire. It's just stupid to try to censor things like that. Some people want to see it, and the rest of us are mature enough to say "Eh, honestly...I didn't need to see that." and turn the freakin' channel. The rest of the diaper-troopers just whine and say we need laws making it illegal for us to see boobies on TV so that you can flick through channels at 3 AM and not feel as if God is going to smite you because you accidentally saw some boobs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it, aye? Because the first tiny step in censorship is the first tiny step to communism. I know that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory crap, but it's true...If you censor something so trivial like that, what's next? Perhaps we won't be able to speak out against the government next? Perhaps we won't be able to watch and do as we please? No thanks, I'd rather risk seeing a boobie or two and just turn the channel when I don't want to see it.

Censorship is the reason why China is a bleephole.

It's getting better though, fastest growing economy in the world by a mile. Something like 10% methinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DID I FLAME RELIGIOUS VIEWS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No.

Like half the posts ive read by you on these forums is flaming religious views.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway there are different types of censorship aswell like not just what people see on TV and stuff like in the USA, whether you see this as good or not you have to be 21 to drink alcohol which is pretty old but you can drive a year younger over there and i would class stuff like that as censorship.

 

Censorship is the reason why China is a bleephole.

It's getting better though, fastest growing economy in the world by a mile. Something like 10% methinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DID I FLAME RELIGIOUS VIEWS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No.

Like half the posts ive read by you on these forums is flaming religious views.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That wasn't one of them. I only flame religious views when they're stated in a "God is God so whatever I say is right!" stance. I believe that to be arrogant at best, and always a stupid argument.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070322/internet ... html?.v=13

"Perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection," wrote Senior U.S. District Judge Lowell Reed Jr., who presided over a four-week trial last fall.

 

Censorship is the reason why China is a bleephole.

It's getting better though, fastest growing economy in the world by a mile. Something like 10% methinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess who has one of the highest amount of sweatshops in the world?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still a bleep hole. Tell me when they get rid of communism and stop abusing human rights.

 

 

 

Get over it, aye? Because the first tiny step in censorship is the first tiny step to communism. I know that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory crap, but it's true...If you censor something so trivial like that, what's next? Perhaps we won't be able to speak out against the government next? Perhaps we won't be able to watch and do as we please? No thanks, I'd rather risk seeing a boobie or two and just turn the channel when I don't want to see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is censorship a step towards communism? How did you ever get to anywhere near that conclusion?

 

 

 

Ultimately, why do you care? You believe in God, right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways. So why do you care about censorship? Why do you care about anything? Seems your faith in God isn't that strong if you're actually concerned about worldly politics...Does the Bible not say you shouldn't even get involved in such things? Obviously for that reason...The world will end eventually and nothing you worked for will ever matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a good interpretation of the Bible. God doesn't want us to be idle. When asked what he would do if he knew the world would end tomorrow, Martin Luther replied: "I would plant a tree". Just because we are on the earth and not in heaven doesn't mean we can't still do God's will. We were created to rule the earth, not to stop living and guess when Jesus returns.

 

 

 

 

Get over it, aye? Because the first tiny step in censorship is the first tiny step to communism. I know that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory crap, but it's true...If you censor something so trivial like that, what's next? Perhaps we won't be able to speak out against the government next? Perhaps we won't be able to watch and do as we please? No thanks, I'd rather risk seeing a boobie or two and just turn the channel when I don't want to see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is censorship a step towards communism? How did you ever get to anywhere near that conclusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just comparing to countries like China, who are communist nations and censor everything to death. I'm aware it has pretty much nothing to do with the government owning everything and us all "sharing" it or whatever, I was just making a comparison. I'd rather not have to check with the White House everytime I wanted to say somethin'.

 

 

Censorship is the reason why China is a bleephole.

It's getting better though, fastest growing economy in the world by a mile. Something like 10% methinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess who has one of the highest amount of sweatshops in the world?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still a bleep hole. Tell me when they get rid of communism and stop abusing human rights.

Im not saying they don't have bad human rights and they are slowly getting rid of communism. They hardly had any imports/exports 10 years ago and now they have probably more than any other country on earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if there were no sweatshops the major US and UK companies amongst others would nearly collapse due to significant increasing cos of labour and this would affect you and I as we would probably have to pay twice as much for clothes and other services.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not saying that it's right but im just saying that they make our lives cheaper.

They hardly had any imports/exports 10 years ago and now they have probably more than any other country on earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you're joking. China has always been a major player in trade since the ancient times.

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, why do you care? You believe in God, right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways. So why do you care about censorship? Why do you care about anything? Seems your faith in God isn't that strong if you're actually concerned about worldly politics...Does the Bible not say you shouldn't even get involved in such things? Obviously for that reason...The world will end eventually and nothing you worked for will ever matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a good interpretation of the Bible. God doesn't want us to be idle. When asked what he would do if he knew the world would end tomorrow, Martin Luther replied: "I would plant a tree". Just because we are on the earth and not in heaven doesn't mean we can't still do God's will. We were created to rule the earth, not to stop living and guess when Jesus returns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, and that's fine...But worrying about laws that will babysit your kids for you so you don't have to be a parent is irrelevant and not worth wasting our time on.

As with a lot of things, it's a matter of choice. The TV has an on/off switch, so does the computer. It's the parents' responsibility to watch over the child's wellbeing: not the state's.

 

 

 

The frowned upon content on TV isn't usually broadcasted until after a specific time. It's the parents job to get their kids to bed before that :P There are contentblockers available for internet. Still concerned about what your child does on the net ? Sit with her/him rather than seeing the computer as a substitute nanny.

 

 

 

Tell your beliefs (be them religious or not) on life's issues before your child goes looking for answers on him/herself. Don't rely on others doing it for you through censorship.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A parallel between child abuse and being exposed to harmful content I have never heard of. However, I can think of examples of damaged childhoods of people with stricly religious families. Having to hide or not act on natural urges, just because you are forecasted hell and oblivion has a great impact on a blossoming young adult. Surpressing urges with the original sin in the back of your mind can lead to some serious psychological damage.

 

 

 

Censoring will not make the urges go away. People cannot deny their human nature. In my opinion, filling a child's mind with feelings of guilt, feelings of failure, anxiety for an eternal life in hell, creates a more fertile soil for psychological damage than not censoring 'the smutt'.

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, why do you care? You believe in God, right? According to that, the world is going to end sooner than later anyways. So why do you care about censorship? Why do you care about anything? Seems your faith in God isn't that strong if you're actually concerned about worldly politics...Does the Bible not say you shouldn't even get involved in such things? Obviously for that reason...The world will end eventually and nothing you worked for will ever matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a good interpretation of the Bible. God doesn't want us to be idle. When asked what he would do if he knew the world would end tomorrow, Martin Luther replied: "I would plant a tree". Just because we are on the earth and not in heaven doesn't mean we can't still do God's will. We were created to rule the earth, not to stop living and guess when Jesus returns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trying saying it like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As humans, we are not meant to be idle throughout our lives. When asked what he would do if he knew the world would end tomorrow, Martin Luther replied: "I would plant a tree". We are meant to be make the world a better place through our actions, not to be lazy, selfish slobs.

 

 

 

Trust me, it gets the exact same point across, and I already feel more receptive to it. Sorry, "Christian talk" just annoys the hell out of me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As with a lot of things, it's a matter of choice. The TV has an on/off switch, so does the computer. It's the parents' responsibility to watch over the child's wellbeing: not the state's.

 

 

 

Meh, personally if I were a parent I'd prefer if there were laws to make sure my little kid doesn't flip by a Girls Gone Wild video when surfing though channels. I'd rather be safe than sorry- no parent can keep monitering their child 24/7...

As with a lot of things, it's a matter of choice. The TV has an on/off switch, so does the computer. It's the parents' responsibility to watch over the child's wellbeing: not the state's.

Wrong, it is the parent's privilege to watch over the child's well-being, abuse of this turns responsibility over to the state. I have already confirmed this with the post explaining how social workers can take away children from parents who aren't watching out for the child's well-being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The frowned upon content on TV isn't usually broadcasted until after a specific time. It's the parents job to get their kids to bed before that :P There are contentblockers available for internet. Still concerned about what your child does on the net ? Sit with her/him rather than seeing the computer as a substitute nanny.

 

 

 

What if the parent isn't concerned?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell your beliefs (be them religious or not) on life's issues before your child goes looking for answers on him/herself. Don't rely on others doing it for you through censorship.

I'm not talking beliefs, I'm talking harmful psychological effects on children through the media. I'm not saying all media is having negative effects on children but you have to be very ignorant to say that all media has positive psychological effects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

A parallel between child abuse and being exposed to harmful content I have never heard of.

Think out side of the box. If a child is being exposed to parents who do drugs, sex, alcohol in the home around the child, that child will be taken away by social workers. Now if the child is being exposed to the same things in the media, our right of "freedom of speech" keeps the child in an exposed environment.

Think out side of the box. If a child is being exposed to parents who do drugs, sex, alcohol in the home around the child, that child will be taken away by social workers. Now if the child is being exposed to the same things in the media, our right of "freedom of speech" keeps the child in an exposed environment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aside from the point that i'm going to assume the parrents are drinking too much / doing too many drugs (I don't really see a problem with sex...) thats another stupid comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all the child will feel the negative effects of the parrent(s) addiction. If the parrent can still raise the child well it wouldn't be a problem but I've yet to hear of a good case about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, say you see someone getting shot on a TV show. Now compare that to seeing someone get shot in real life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is more tramatizing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now same thing, you see people doing drugs on the television. Now you see people doing drugs all around you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is worse?

Wrong, it is the parent's privilege to watch over the child's well-being, abuse of this turns responsibility over to the state. I have already confirmed this with the post explaining how social workers can take away children from parents who aren't watching out for the child's well-being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, most certainly not a privilege. A privilege is something that's give to you. Parents have the RIGHT to watch over their children. But... if they act against the law, that right can be taken from you. A privilege is something that can be taken from you with no obvious reason. It's something that's been "given" to you. Nothing gives you the privilege. You just have the right, and that can be taken from you in the case of child abuse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What if the parent isn't concerned?

 

 

 

 

 

 

That makes him a bad parent from our social view, but that can't be prevented with government censoring things. It doesn't change the parents.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking beliefs, I'm talking harmful psychological effects on children through the media. I'm not saying all media is having negative effects on children but you have to be very ignorant to say that all media has positive psychological effects.

 

 

 

Ofcourse it can have bad effects, but censoring is not an option. Parents can protect their kids from harmful media content, and educate their children in how to cope with that, making them ready for the "real world".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think out side of the box. If a child is being exposed to parents who do drugs, sex, alcohol in the home around the child, that child will be taken away by social workers. Now if the child is being exposed to the same things in the media, our right of "freedom of speech" keeps the child in an exposed environment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the child is exposed, but that's inevitable. Kids will find out about these things, you can't keep them ignorant. Learn them how to cope with it, not block it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My parents have been very liberal and exposed me to all kinds of "harmful" things like drugs (heck, they're even legal here) but thanks to a good education and proper raising from my parents I know I need to stay away from drugs.