Jagex on Dragon Chains

[Dalcyte]

I think you're over-estimatings this...

 

 

 

I think about graphics, jagex has updated the KBD, a high level beast, and the chaos ele. doesn't need updating...so the KQ has gone on for a bit without an update...so its due for one..that's all. Jagex just loves to boast and drag on about how deadly looking it's gonna be pretty much.

 

 

 

The shortcuts: Probably to give noobs doing slayer an easier access to the the KALPHITE LAIR AS A WHOLE, people who don't wanna worry about the desert and such.

 

 

 

And the third method of getting it. BA. How many do you know have gotten one? i think the total is 2 to 0.

 

 

 

All and all, i think you're over-analyzing what they're doing.

[silvermist82]

since before barrows came out, i always imagined dragon full helms to look like veracs helm. Over sized with [bleep]es and red. i hope they make a dragon warhammer soon :/

[mario_sunny]

I think you are overeacting just a bit. Just because they change the look of the queen doesn't mean veracers will come pouring in. I bet some of them are just going to have a small peak at the new look, it doesn't necessarly mean they will kill her more.

 

 

 

I don't think jagex even intended for this update to lower dragon chain prices. According to jagex's prices the dragon chain should be way less than 15M, but honestly when's the last time they actually cared about the player controlled economy? Contruction was probably the most recent, and that was well over a year ago. I believe they are just updating the KQ because they think it needs updating, just to catch will all the other NPCs they are re-doing.

 

 

 

Frogs, bankers, men, knights, dragons, guards, Chaos E..? We see those things 30x more than we see the KQ.

 

 

 

And how many times have people actually been motivated to fight these NPCs after the update? Maybe for one or two days there would be a small surge of, for example, guard drops when they are updated, but to be honest the killing rate steadies out to be the same like before the update.

 

 

 

Now if jagex were to update an NPCs drops, making them better, it would be a different story. But bottom line, graphics updates do not affect the kill rate.

 

 

 

Show me the statistics \

 

 

 

The IMMEDIATE purpose of the update was NOT to increase the number of KQ killers. The immediate purpose of the update was to increase interest in the KQ so that KQ killing would go up over a long period of time.

 

 

 

I don't need any statistics, it's a fact. See for yourself when this KQ makeover update comes out.

 

 

 

I'll refer back to my original post:

 

 

I don't think jagex even intended for this update to lower dragon chain prices. According to jagex's prices the dragon chain should be way less than 15M, but honestly when's the last time they actually cared about the player controlled economy? Contruction was probably the most recent, and that was well over a year ago. I believe they are just updating the KQ because they think it needs updating, just to catch will all the other NPCs they are re-doing.

 

 

 

 

 

Thomas- Jagex are doing this for a reason. Simply put, the KQ needs updating to catch up with all the other NPCs.

[TheAncient]

 

Thomas- Jagex are doing this for a reason. Simply put, the KQ needs updating to catch up with all the other NPCs.

 

 

 

Refer to my edit on the main page. I will also copy paste the following rebuttal into my original post.

 

 

 

From a business standpoint (and Jagex definitely thinks this way, or else Andrew isn't one of the top 100 richest young British people), newer players are more easily enticed to play a game if it has better graphics. If you look at the monsters being updated - sheeps, cows, goblins - the majority of them are around Lumby, where noobs start. The undead even count as part of this - the changes to ghosts and zombies can be seen in Varrock sewer as well as the Stronghold of Security, two major F2P training spots. When would a noob EVER see the KQ? Probably never - so updating the KQ just for the sake of graphics doesn't really make sense for Jagex, businesswise. You could probably argue that it would make P2P more exciting, but we already have even more exciting opponents such as Barrows or Jad.

 

 

 

Jagex pours manpower and money into its updates. Don't be naive enough to think that Jagex just wants to improve the game!

[lliebenau]

Though I do think the statements in the opening posts sound like conspiracy theory :oops: , with the new graphical update of the KQ and her minions more people will venture down to kill her therefore more D chains will come into the RS economy. I hate to say this but D chains have a good chance of taking a hit from this update :(

[TheAncient]

Though I do think the statements in the opening posts sound like conspiracy theory

 

 

 

Wait til you take AP history, you'll be amazed at how much the general public is manipulated by the people in power :D

 

 

 

FDR and his "fireside chats"

 

Eisenhower and his friendly "Ike" facade (4-star generals arent nice guys!)

 

Jackson and Jacksonian democracy for the "common man"

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

APUSHistory study and RS rolled into one, beautiful

[berbatovsky]

 

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Jagex pours manpower and money into its updates. Don't be naive enough to think that Jagex just wants to improve the game!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is almost certainly going to improve the graphics of everything, they are doing this because they know improving graphics will help keep/attract new players. I would imagine that Jagex wants to produce the best product possible rather than produce a product that is just good enough to make them profit.

 

 

 

I see no reason why a dragon platebody wont be introduced. If Jagex wants their game to continue to be successful they have to update things. I am aware that it must be veeeeeeeeeery hard for them to introduce new powerful items because the balance in this game is so precarious (look at all the furor surrounding the barrelchest anchors release for evidence) but that just means they have to plan carefully.

 

 

 

Jagex seems to like aluding to changes in-game, so i wouldnt rule out anything.

[Kill_Thomas9]

 

The shortcuts: Probably to give noobs doing slayer an easier access to the the KALPHITE LAIR AS A WHOLE, people who don't wanna worry about the desert and such.

 

 

 

Why would noobs go to the kalphite lair? That brings up a good point though. If the kalphite queen looks bad, people might not be as interested in it. Now, if a noob ventures into the kaphite lair, and sees the queen, they'll say "Wow! I cant wait till I can fight that one day! It looks awesome!!". Oh, and you dont even need to have a waterskin in order to get to the tunnel. I can get there wearing full guthans (running mind you) and get in before I even need water.

 

 

 

 

And the third method of getting it. BA. How many do you know have gotten one? i think the total is 2 to 0.

 

 

 

It's not that it makes them much rarer, or much less expensive. It's the fact that there is a third way to get them. Just knowing that you dont even have to kill a high leveled monster to get a d chain makes one makes them seem less rare.

[Bombing_7000]

I think you are overeacting just a bit. Just because they change the look of the queen doesn't mean veracers will come pouring in. I bet some of them are just going to have a small peak at the new look, it doesn't necessarly mean they will kill her more.

 

 

 

I don't think jagex even intended for this update to lower dragon chain prices. According to jagex's prices the dragon chain should be way less than 15M, but honestly when's the last time they actually cared about the player controlled economy? Contruction was probably the most recent, and that was well over a year ago. I believe they are just updating the KQ because they think it needs updating, just to catch will all the other NPCs they are re-doing.

 

 

 

Frogs, bankers, men, knights, dragons, guards, Chaos E..? We see those things 30x more than we see the KQ.

 

 

 

And how many times have people actually been motivated to fight these NPCs after the update? Maybe for one or two days there would be a small surge of, for example, guard drops when they are updated, but to be honest the killing rate steadies out to be the same like before the update.

 

 

 

Now if jagex were to update an NPCs drops, making them better, it would be a different story. But bottom line, graphics updates do not affect the kill rate.

 

 

 

Agreed, graphics wouldn't make player go out and kill more monsters.. The whole points of graphics is for player that complain aobut how ugly the monster look..

 

 

 

`BOMB

[Aresgodowar]

Though I do think the statements in the opening posts sound like conspiracy theory

 

 

 

Wait til you take AP history, you'll be amazed at how much the general public is manipulated by the people in power :D

 

 

 

FDR and his "fireside chats"

 

Eisenhower and his friendly "Ike" facade (4-star generals arent nice guys!)

 

Jackson and Jacksonian democracy for the "common man"

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

APUSHistory study and RS rolled into one, beautiful

 

 

 

lol kinda like saying that patton was a friend to the russians :-k

 

I think you are overeacting just a bit. Just because they change the look of the queen doesn't mean veracers will come pouring in. I bet some of them are just going to have a small peak at the new look, it doesn't necessarly mean they will kill her more.

 

 

 

I don't think jagex even intended for this update to lower dragon chain prices. According to jagex's prices the dragon chain should be way less than 15M, but honestly when's the last time they actually cared about the player controlled economy? Contruction was probably the most recent, and that was well over a year ago. I believe they are just updating the KQ because they think it needs updating, just to catch will all the other NPCs they are re-doing.

 

 

 

they screwed over the onyx market in one day.. now ther goin after the d chains..

[Pikemaster25]

I think you're overreacting, they're just updating the game and they've done that many changes to other things too..not for those reasons either. :notalk:

[Freesia]

From what I think, the 4 points you have listed is of mostly insignificant influence to prices of d chain.

 

1) MADO (moving across distance orb) and the Kalphite shortcut in Dorgeskaan.

 

2) BA and the introduction of a 3rd way to get D Chains.

 

3) Keris and its special effect on bugs, even hitting through KQ's prayer.

 

4) (Way back) Fairy ring and the BIQ fairy ring provides another quick way to get to the KQ

 

1)The kaphite shortcut in dorgeesh khan is definitely not directly used to access kaphite dungeon due to the distance between the alternative entrance and the city itself. Kqers continue to use the old route as it is faster and effects of desert usually don't come in before they enter the lair.

 

2) When they released BA, they announced chances of getting chain to be extremely low, which is a form of discouraging word, doubt anyone would even use 500 points for the sole hope of getting the chain.

 

3) True enough, still veracing continues to be a popular method of kqing.

 

4) Similar to point 1, distance is the factor that marks its popularity of usage.

 

 

 

Like other posters have mentioned, the graphical update is not going to do anything anyway, just tempting suiciders to go see the new kq, then it dies down again. Another thing is that Jagex has been aiming to update monster graphics for a long time already, it's no surprise that it's now kaphites' turn.

[kane531]

To anyone who says he is over reacting:

 

 

 

When jagex released barrows, they didn't have the armour decay thing. A few days later they realised how upset people were about dragon now being "underpowered". They came up with decay rate so that dragon wouldn't be as underpowered. Now jagex is making higher leveled armour. Why would Jagex make dragon less desireable, unless they were going to realease some better armour?

 

 

 

Jagex almost never does things for no reason, so why make more ways to get it, make more people want to kill the monster that drops it, and a shortcut to the lair of the kq?

 

 

 

on the contrary... i read the whole update post the day it came out. it hasn't changed one bit since it was released... meaning the degradeing was there from the start

[Made0f12une]

erkid"]I won't have any interesting killing the queen for a chain. I'll just go to the lair and suicide myself to see her.

 

 

 

Mind if I join you?

 

 

 

I would say jagex is trying to lower the price of d chains, so they will be able to release higher leved armour without as much of an upset.

 

 

 

EDIT: But I do agree with you. After reading the first sentence in this post I thought "hmm... seems like jagex is trying to lower the price of chains." All of your other points just increased my confidence in this. I totally agree with you.

 

 

 

+1

[Kill_Thomas9]

To anyone who says he is over reacting:

 

 

 

When jagex released barrows, they didn't have the armour decay thing. A few days later they realised how upset people were about dragon now being "underpowered". They came up with decay rate so that dragon wouldn't be as underpowered. Now jagex is making higher leveled armour. Why would Jagex make dragon less desireable, unless they were going to realease some better armour?

 

 

 

Jagex almost never does things for no reason, so why make more ways to get it, make more people want to kill the monster that drops it, and a shortcut to the lair of the kq?

 

 

 

on the contrary... i read the whole update post the day it came out. it hasn't changed one bit since it was released... meaning the degradeing was there from the start

 

Jagex had originaly not planned on having it degrade. They said to keep it from overpowering dragon, the armour would degrade due to the fact that it had been rotting in the ground for centuries. 100% truth.

[slimysteve]

http://www.gameolosophy.com/Games/Onlin ... cape.22381

 

 

 

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[TeeBeaun]

I did a little math on this issue of D Chain and the possibility of a D plate.

 

 

 

If the dragon equipment followed the same ratio of chain to plate defence that RUNE does then the D Plate would have....

 

STAB: ~105-106 (rune plate is 23.17% better than rune chain)

 

Slash: ~103-104 (10%)

 

Range: ~100-101 (18.75%)

 

 

 

Not great especially since torag is 122,120 and 132 respectively

 

Also, 3rd Age Plate is 96, 108 and 97 in those three areas (required 65 defence to wear). But this gear is also different than the "normal", player-made, equipment, with a lower stab than slash defence, so this item can be overlooked becase ultimately it cant be considered to fit into the problems.

 

 

 

Now, if they were to use the ADDY ratio then D plate would have a STAB of ~146 defence (55.385%). (huge compared to Torag)

 

 

 

At last if Dragon equpment followed the same ration as MITH then STAB defence would be a enormous 219 (63.043%)!!! Obviously not even a remote possibility.

 

 

 

Finally if you compare Rune Chain and Dragon Chain and then use that ratio with Rune Plate with a possible Dragon Plate you would get a STAB decence of ~105 again (22.2222%).

 

 

 

This is a very streched idea, but it shows that D plate wouldnt even be that great if they continued on the same track that metal/player-made equipment currently is on.

 

 

 

Not to mention they have said before they would not release it.

[HatSlick]

^^^

 

 

 

That is exactly right. D Plates would be merely for show, not economical for training or anything else.

[aj926]

All I know is that I'm going to loot A LOT of verac helms the day it comes out.

[radmix]

All I know is that I'm going to loot A LOT of verac helms the day it comes out.

 

 

 

lmao..who wont ;)

[Ltje]

Another thing is that Jagex has been aiming to update monster graphics for a long time already, it's no surprise that it's now kaphites' turn.

 

Actually, for me it is. Why does Jagex do not another monster that is way more seen by the crowds. Like cows and such. The kalphites are a fairly 'obscure' kinda monsters, so its not that logical that they are updated.

[RoswellCrash]

Actually im pretty sure a dplate would pwn everything in the game, seeing as the dchain is nearly the best armour (melee) anyway. The cost would be astronomical though if it was every released.

 

 

 

Its kinda a long way from the best armour now I would have to say,

 

3rd age beats it and all the barrows armour's.

 

 

 

I think the dragon chain is a long way over due a price drop, would be sad to see it happen though, I think once 3rd age melee armour comes down in price the dragon will follow.

 

 

 

Still Dragon plate... Can it be better then 3rd age? or even barrows?

 

 

 

I don't think it should.. :notalk:

[highlanders]

Far fetched theory...

 

And there's not going to be any d full helm, kiteshield, or plate. It's written somehere in the history of Rs, unless they erased it.

[atronic92]

In my opinion, third age items are the dragon plate, full helm, kiteshield, and better legs that everyone always wanted to be released.

 

 

 

Did anyone besides me notice that the dragon plate has been released? It is worn by the Troll King in the Fremenik Isles Quest.

[Norton3000]

Troll King in Olaf's Quest? You must mean Fremennik Isles.

 

 

 

Theres actually a dragon plate which people can buy and use! If you don't beleave me, go and buy it from Diango.