Theres just no justice

[warri0r45]

Since when did TV airtime become correlated with gratitude?

 

 

 

Exactly. People these days have the mindset that fame is success at the highest order and that couldn't be furthur from the truth in my opinion. I'm personally more annoyed at the apparant leniency (sp?) that famous people get from the law as apposed to your regular everyday bloke. Famous people take drugs and they have 'issues' where if I take drugs (I don't), I'm a 'criminal'. Give me a break. :-X

[crimsonking]

My only problem is football players, tv stars, and other famous [puncture]s get payed tons more than people actually doing a service for this country such as teaching, nursing, and physically protecting this country from attack, I know entertainment is a great thing to have to keep people's minds off the bad, but this is just too much.

[IGoddessI]

Hi Lag you seem to be a very caring person and I know how easy it can be to become angry with the world, especially by some of the people in it.

 

 

 

I have two quotes for you and theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re so true; I hope it cheers you up a little.

 

 

 

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing in the world that ever has" - Margaret Mead

 

 

 

"Those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are usually the people who do" ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Going from memory I think it was Deepak Chopra who said this ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ I could be wrong IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m only going from memory, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t have the time to check.

 

 

 

I have a double major in contemporary social and community issues so if you ever need someone to converse with about social issues and ideologies please by all means feel free to contact me.

 

 

 

I understand how daunting these types of issues can be for some people.

 

 

 

However going with what Bubs said earlier, if you want to climb the meritocracy at the moment you need to earn it to earn it, so to speak.

 

 

 

Depending on which country you live in and what ideology it's following at the moment that is pretty much how it goes.

 

 

 

People are just as much to blame as the government an example of this is... We don't want people stealing our shiny plasma TVs or breaking into our flashy new cars and the demand is on the rise for people wanting to protect their stuff from other people....so THEN..... New laws are enforced.

 

 

 

So how do we promote an ideology that gives everyone in the world a fair chance? The same way every ideology ever has, that group of committed people and that same individual who had the crazy thought that they could change the world..... What can government do against a majority of invisible numbers, other than adjust?

 

 

 

If those committed people, that crazy person and majority of invisible numbers come into media and influence - It dominates the population.

 

 

 

This is what many history, social education & journalism teachers mean when they ask their students to "wake up".

 

 

 

On an even more interesting note - Humanity degrees are being stopped all over QLD, Australia and enrolments, cancelled. They say it's to cut back costs, however could it be the QLD government don't want to be challenged by those who are educated enough to stop them?

 

 

 

There's a provoking thought for you to think about. Especially when the Australian Liberal government portrays Conservative values.

 

 

 

Could it be Australia is turning into the new America and those who are educated of the formulating differences, are being restricted?

 

 

 

Let's face it - Johnny Howard has a very firm grip over Australia, even if noone does like him.

 

 

 

Ever wondered why? - There's a bit of research for the Aussies who are interested. You'll learn more from reading about it than you will from me.

[CubeMage128]

Why isn't the common person/soldier on TV as much?

 

 

 

 

 

Answer: There's so many of them!

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, do you think that television networks can give equal recognition to everybody in our society? There are only 86,400 seconds in a day. That's an entire 24 hour period, mind you. There are millions of hard working citizens and soldiers out there. How do you expect to give a fair amount of recognition to everybody? It would take days of different random people making appearances to get through everybody. Does that make for good entertainment? I for one do not need to know about every single person's daily life. It would get extremely boring after a while.

 

"Please give a warm welcome to.... Average Joe # 580,291!"

 

 

 

Not to mention that if everybody were equally featured on television, it wouldn't be special anymore. That little box you gather around in front of will have lost its magic, because everybody will have been on it at some point. Basically, the idea of everybody being on TV would defeat itself, because instead of giving special recognition to everybody, it would cause an appearance on TV to become as special as jury duty. In other words: Not very.

 

 

 

 

 

For now, you'll just have to live with the fact that certain people are on TV more than others. There are simply some frontiers where equality is virtually impossible.

[Rebdragon]

My only problem is football players, tv stars, and other famous [puncture]s get payed tons more than people actually doing a service for this country such as teaching, nursing, and physically protecting this country from attack, I know entertainment is a great thing to have to keep people's minds off the bad, but this is just too much.

 

You get the skills in the fields they specialize in, you give the amount of money to charity that they [or at least most of them >_<] do, then come back whining. They have skills above average, so it's not surprising that they make more than the average person. Oh, and make sure not to generalize them as some sub-human beings who only care about themselves. That's the vibe I'm getting from your post, anyways.

 

 

 

Everyone adds something. They add entertainment, which, mind you, I consider a necessity in life.

[IGoddessI]

Here's a question for you all:

 

 

 

Do you think, if you REALLY wanted to; you could make just as much money as the football players do?

 

 

 

Everybody has a dream. Some people accept what is given to them, others actually get off their arse to go and get it.

 

 

 

The way I see it, you can complain about it... Or you can just go and do it.

[Evilperson]

Hi, welcome to life. Get used to it.

[Viktorkrum77]

Here's a question for you all:

 

 

 

Do you think, if you REALLY wanted to; you could make just as much money as the football players do?

 

 

 

Everybody has a dream. Some people accept what is given to them, others actually get off their arse to go and get it.

 

 

 

The way I see it, you can complain about it... Or you can just go and do it.

 

 

 

I could make more. First step, acquire Viacom and the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) and merge them together. Privatize the whole thing.

[crimsonking]

My only problem is football players, tv stars, and other famous [puncture]s get payed tons more than people actually doing a service for this country such as teaching, nursing, and physically protecting this country from attack, I know entertainment is a great thing to have to keep people's minds off the bad, but this is just too much.

 

You get the skills in the fields they specialize in, you give the amount of money to charity that they [or at least most of them >_<] do, then come back whining. They have skills above average, so it's not surprising that they make more than the average person. Oh, and make sure not to generalize them as some sub-human beings who only care about themselves. That's the vibe I'm getting from your post, anyways.

 

 

 

Everyone adds something. They add entertainment, which, mind you, I consider a necessity in life.

 

 

 

Oh wow, they have special skills? I didn't know that, I guess they deserve the money a lot more than people who educate our children, keep us alive when we are in critical condition, and spend days under enemy fire, I mean cause that stuff doesn't take skill at all, anyone can do it, whats the point in having to go through several years of college and/or special training for this?

 

 

 

You know what, why go to school at all? Screw college, I'm going to go apply as an LPN(Liscensed Practical Nurse(Highest level of nursing without going into a doctoring profession)) at the the hospital across the street from my local mall, I'm sure to get the job, I mean there are job openings for all levels of nursing everywhere in my area, and since it doesn't take any skill at all I have nothing to worry about.

 

 

 

And Btw, read all the way through my post before you state something I've pretty much already said.

[Satenza]

Blame it on capitalism.

[How2PK]

Hey, everybody can die for their country, it's not that hard. Not everyone can score the final goal in a champions league final.

[kido14]

First of all let me just say there are a lot of bad posts in this thread, but I think you could probably blame it on the topic that was made to begin with. Honestly I'm not even sure what the exact idea of this topic is that we are supposed to be discussing.

 

 

 

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Oh wow, they have special skills? I didn't know that, I guess they deserve the money a lot more than people who educate our children, keep us alive when we are in critical condition, and spend days under enemy fire, I mean cause that stuff doesn't take skill at all, anyone can do it, whats the point in having to go through several years of college and/or special training for this?

 

 

 

 

Whether or not they DESERVE more money than most other people in this country doesn't even matter. The fact is there are a lot of people who can do those jobs you said, and there are very few who can play pro sports. To play pro sports you pretty much have to be born with amazing talent in that field. Most of the jobs you are talking about almost any somewhat intelligent person can become as long as they try hard. I don't understand why people can't seem to realize this.

 

 

 

I do think people do those social service jobs should get paid a lot more, but I mean it all pretty much boils down to the basic rules of economy, supply and demand. Hundreds of millions of people watch pro sports around the globe if not more. There is a big demand for athletes and only a select few can do that job. People are willing to pay large sums of money for entertainment, so naturally these people are going to get paid a lot of money. Also if you think about it, these guys are helping out a lot too. I mean a lot get paid way more than they need, so a lot donate to charities, not to mention the huge sums of taxes these guys are paying. Also I don't know how true this is as I have only seen it on T.V, but there are programs like NBA Cares where they go out around the community and help out. Not that you can put a price on social service, but I think a lot of these pro athletes are helping more than others even though its often indirectly.

 

 

 

Hey, everybody can die for their country, it's not that hard. Not everyone can score the final goal in a champions league final.

 

You kind of summed up what the main point of what I've been trying to say throughout this whole thread.

[Korskin]

Listen to the Bible:

 

I have seen something else under the sun:

 

The race is not to the swift

 

or the battle to the strong,

 

nor does food come to the wise

 

or wealth to the brilliant

 

or favor to the learned;

 

but time and chance happen to them all.

 

Ecclesiastes 9:11

 

 

 

I don't think you should value life by the amount of hours you've been on TV nor on other peoples gratitude.

 

 

 

What we can do is try to make the world more fair but we have to accept that there will always be poor people and rich people. In my opinion the only thing you really need in life is God. Therefore in a broader perspective, you aren't necessarily better off when you're rich and famous as to poor and insignificant. But as our time on earth still accounts for something, we should try to make it a better place.

[jackattack]

don't hate on athletes. and if ronaldo is the same guy as ronaldinio (not sure if theyre different people) Then he is the ugliest guy ever even uglier than jokim noah.

[dsavi]

Money makes the world go round, world go round, world go round.

 

 

 

Yep, if there were any profit in showing teachers or soldiers on tv they would put them there.

[Rebdragon]

Blame it on capitalism.

 

Exactly. You may not think they deserve it, but in our system they're in the position to make the most money.

 

 

 

And I'm sorry to say it crimson, but compared to being one of the few elite football or movie stars, the skill needed for those other jobs pails in comparison. How many nurses are there? Teachers? Soldiers? Yes, they may be directly helping us, but in this capitalist system having a job that millions of other people have doesn't exactly result in one being rich. Call it unfair all you want, it's just how it works.

[crimsonking]

First of all let me just say there are a lot of bad posts in this thread, but I think you could probably blame it on the topic that was made to begin with. Honestly I'm not even sure what the exact idea of this topic is that we are supposed to be discussing.

 

 

 

stuff

 

stff

 

 

 

Oh wow, they have special skills? I didn't know that, I guess they deserve the money a lot more than people who educate our children, keep us alive when we are in critical condition, and spend days under enemy fire, I mean cause that stuff doesn't take skill at all, anyone can do it, whats the point in having to go through several years of college and/or special training for this?

 

 

 

 

Whether or not they DESERVE more money than most other people in this country doesn't even matter. The fact is there are a lot of people who can do those jobs you said, and there are very few who can play pro sports. To play pro sports you pretty much have to be born with amazing talent in that field. Most of the jobs you are talking about almost any somewhat intelligent person can become as long as they try hard. I don't understand why people can't seem to realize this.

 

 

 

Ok first of all, you are not born with the strength or skill to go into professional sports, that is something you train for, and unless you have some kind of disability, anyone can do that training, I'm not saying its easy, but everyone has the ability to do it.

 

 

 

As for musical ability, almost anyone has the ability to learn an instrument, some have a higher learning ability than others in this area, but anyone can do it, singing ability on the other hand, you are born with, though still takes a bit of training, and with the variety of music now a days there is a music genre for almost every type of voice(*cough*rap*cough), with the proper training of course, and at the very least there is always lipsynching and looking pretty on stage.

 

 

 

I do think people do those social service jobs should get paid a lot more, but I mean it all pretty much boils down to the basic rules of economy, supply and demand. Hundreds of millions of people watch pro sports around the globe if not more. There is a big demand for athletes and only a select few can do that job. People are willing to pay large sums of money for entertainment, so naturally these people are going to get paid a lot of money. Also if you think about it, these guys are helping out a lot too. I mean a lot get paid way more than they need, so a lot donate to charities, not to mention the huge sums of taxes these guys are paying. Also I don't know how true this is as I have only seen it on T.V, but there are programs like NBA Cares where they go out around the community and help out. Not that you can put a price on social service, but I think a lot of these pro athletes are helping more than others even though its often indirectly.

 

 

 

As for your supply and demand theory, I don't know about anywhere else, but there is a big demand for nurses of all types in my area.

 

 

 

And I do not see the need for bands and sporting professionals, because it seems there are many popping up every day, we have as many as we need, there is just always room for more.

 

 

 

I do not see how donating to charitys has anything to do with their carreer, if you give their money to any other group of people, wouldn't the same percentage of people from that group donate to charitys as well? It seems you are making an assumption that famous people are nicer than the average person with the way you keep trying to push this as a factor.

 

 

 

And as for the "Huge sums of taxes", in America, the rich have less taxes, not saying that this has anything to do with how famous you are, the government just prefers giving tax cuts to the rich(*Cough* Themselves*cough*) rather than the poor.

 

 

 

Hey, everybody can die for their country, it's not that hard. Not everyone can score the final goal in a champions league final.

 

You kind of summed up what the main point of what I've been trying to say throughout this whole thread.

 

 

 

Anyone can die for their country, yes, but not everyone has the nerve or ability to go out and successfully fight for their country.

[warri0r45]

As for musical ability, almost anyone has the ability to learn an instrument, some have a higher learning ability than others in this area, but anyone can do it, singing ability on the other hand, you are born with, though still takes a bit of training, and with the variety of music now a days there is a music genre for almost every type of voice(*cough*rap*cough), with the proper training of course, and at the very least there is always lipsynching and looking pretty on stage.

 

 

 

 

You forgot songwriting ability. Writing a unique song and breaking the boundaries isn't exactly something you can learn. Granted, most music listeners (which thankfully includes very few tipiters :) ) these days will listen to and buy any typecast crap put in front of thier noses. :wall:

[BlueLancer]

 

On an even more interesting note - Humanity degrees are being stopped all over QLD, Australia and enrolments, cancelled. They say it's to cut back costs, however could it be the QLD government don't want to be challenged by those who are educated enough to stop them?

 

 

 

There's a provoking thought for you to think about. Especially when the Australian Liberal government portrays Conservative values.

 

 

 

 

They probably stop humanity and philosophy related degrees because they aren't cost effective. Too many people who get these degrees don't get appropriate employment.

 

 

 

..What can a doctorate of philosophy really do? Become a philosopher or write a nice book about aphorisms? Write a book about Shakespeares production during the years 1601-1605 from a marxist perspective?

 

 

 

I'd know because one of my parents got a humanist university education which ultimately didn't pay off at all and resulted in having to get another degree.

 

 

 

Money makes the world go round, world go round, world go round.

 

 

 

Yep, if there were any profit in showing teachers or soldiers on tv they would put them there.

 

 

 

Americans will 'support the troops' but they don't want to see what the soldiers go through every day. Hypocrisy but that's not what the average comformist american wants to see on TV.

 

 

 

Rather than seeing real things happening they will pay to get channels that show rubbish copies of survivor and whatever 'reality' programs they have these days.

 

 

 

What about the ultimate reality, things that actually happen? Who wants to see an american soldier trying to stop extremist shia militants from murdering two sunni kids with an automatic rifle, while they play football?

 

 

 

You don't see it on TV because people don't want to see it. They will rather comfort themselves by watching "reality" which is scripted. People want a fantasy reality.

 

 

 

They don't want to see americans standing there helpless while janjaweed soldiers in Sudan cut up a woman's womb betting on the gender of the baby for entertainment and a few dollars.

[rocketman089]

They don't want to see americans standing there helpless while janjaweed soldiers in Sudan cut up a woman's womb betting on the gender of the baby for entertainment and a few dollars.

 

You say it as if it's a bad thing that people don't want to see that..

[1_man_army]

They don't want to see americans standing there helpless while janjaweed soldiers in Sudan cut up a woman's womb betting on the gender of the baby for entertainment and a few dollars.

 

You say it as if it's a bad thing that people don't want to see that..

 

 

 

Nobody wants to see these things because they don't want them to happen. However, there is a difference when these things are happening and being ignored. To see a crime being perpetrated and doing nothing about it is a crime in itself - a moral crime.

[BlueLancer]

That's real reality, it doesn't matter if people see it or not. If it's inconvenient for you, that's a shame, at least seeing that people can really be this brutal would leave a bigger impact on you than just reading about it in the newspaper every day.

 

 

 

Real people in the real world don't struggle in the jungle to get an adrenaline boost and win a million dollars for the amusement of TV spectators.

 

 

 

I'd much rather see some coalition soldiers punish barbarians who know better but choose to murder kids and live as savages, thieves, rapists... Than see a bunch of fat americans trying to lose weight as a form of competition.

 

 

 

The soldier gets less coverage because people like you don't want to see what the soldier sees

 

 

 

(As you said it's not necessarily a bad thing, people just want entertainment)

 

 

 

That's how "fame" works. Sorry to the original poster but not many people really care about the lives of a soldier or a teacher or whatever "real" worker compared to a film star or a professional sports player.

[Tigra00]

The life of a soldier isn't what you think it is. Not in Iraq anyways. According to my friend who just spent 2 years in Iraq as a Combat Medic, you are often ordered to kill civilians as part of "interrogation". He told me his unit killed quite a few, and that most of the soldiers are very traumatized because of it.

 

 

 

If you want to see the life of a soldier you're being told they're having, go to Youtube. Plenty of violent gun fights and stuff. Gaurentee you will not see them killing civilians on orders, though.

 

 

 

Not sure if it's the same for other countries. I'd like to assume it isn't since America is so goddamn corrupted...I'd like to think other countries are "better".

[Deiophobus]

people aren't entertained by normal citizens working hard.

[TotalTalker]

Why isn't the common person/soldier on TV as much?

 

 

 

 

 

Answer: There's so many of them!

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, do you think that television networks can give equal recognition to everybody in our society? There are only 86,400 seconds in a day. That's an entire 24 hour period, mind you. There are millions of hard working citizens and soldiers out there. How do you expect to give a fair amount of recognition to everybody? It would take days of different random people making appearances to get through everybody. Does that make for good entertainment? I for one do not need to know about every single person's daily life. It would get extremely boring after a while.

 

"Please give a warm welcome to.... Average Joe # 580,291!"

 

 

 

Not to mention that if everybody were equally featured on television, it wouldn't be special anymore. That little box you gather around in front of will have lost its magic, because everybody will have been on it at some point. Basically, the idea of everybody being on TV would defeat itself, because instead of giving special recognition to everybody, it would cause an appearance on TV to become as special as jury duty. In other words: Not very.

 

 

 

 

 

For now, you'll just have to live with the fact that certain people are on TV more than others. There are simply some frontiers where equality is virtually impossible.

 

 

 

There plenty of money in the world, some people have enough to give everybody on the planet 3 pound each.

 

 

 

I personally think that the media has destroyed the world, most people will disagree with me, but if it wasnt for the media, i think that the average death age would be well into the 100s, because the hospitality would have sooo much more money to spend on new drugs.

 

 

 

People see footballers as heroes, but would you rather win the world cup, or win a war?