The New World Order

[Hi9im8Here7]

Most of us don't realize it, but there's a war going on. No, i'm not talking about the one in Iraq, but the one here, right on American soil. The once great republic is slowly being transformed by it's own government from a peace-loving democracy to an imperialist police state.

 

 

 

This thing has been going on for all human history. Ever since the time of the cavemen, there have been individuals seeking to gain control of their fellow humans. Just look at Rome, and at all the moral atrocities that resulted from it. That empire and many others has shown us time and again how cruel and sadistic governments can become if given the chance.

 

 

 

But there was one time, when the opportunity presented itself, the ruling class did not disintegrate into autocracy. That time was the American revolution. By an act of God, instead of taking after the oppressive imperialism which characterized most of the European powers at the time, the founding fathers chose to adopt democracy, and to write up a certain document called the Constitution guaranteeing individual rights in this new experimental government.

 

 

 

 

 

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."-George Washington (also turned down the offer of dictatorship)

 

 

 

I won't go into very much detail, but for the most part for the next 130 years the republic thrived and America had established itself as a major country.

 

 

 

Right around this time is when the nation started to deteriorate. The industrial revolution meant the division between the working class and the elite rose sharply. Big corporations started to gain a lot of influence. Somewhere here is when people forgot what America stood for, even know it may not have shown up until years later...

 

 

 

Since then there has been a subtle push for more government power (the classic tragedy of human nature catching up on us). Of course, they (the globalists: the guys who stand for one-world government and control over every aspect of your lives) can't just do that by themselves. Since we are still technically living a democracy, they need the people's support.

 

 

 

So how do they get the people's support? That's obvious. They have to give the people a reason to believe that the government needs these new powers or they won't be able to carry out their jobs. So how do they do that? By presenting outside threats, whether real or imagined, to their nation, to scare the populace into giving their masters more power.

 

 

 

This happened is world war two, when they imprisoned thousands of Japanese immigrants in internment camps to prevent the risk of them spying on us.

 

 

 

It was most prevelant in the cold war, especially during the infamous McCarthy era (go look on wikipedia(or other source of information that's reliable. I personally believe that wikipedia is good. Don't try to discredit this thread because of this one fact.) and learn about it!!!). The government used the outside threat of communism in order to reaffirm it's control. Now I understand that the communists were considered the enemy, and that certain security measures had to be taken, but not to the extent that it happened.

 

 

 

This new threat, the one we're facing in the twentieth century, is very similar. All you have to do is switch out communism for terrorism, and you're in 2007, albeit it isn't that bad yet, though I think eventually will be if we have another attack.

 

 

 

More and more now, the threat of terrorists scares many Americans. And because of this they allow the constitution to be torn up by some of the most evil men imaginable. We're losing the right to free speech, the right to a speedy trial, the right to own firearms, and many others in the name of the so called war on terror.

 

 

 

I know that this is extremely hard to hear for a patriotic American, but remember, it's your duty to defend country from attack from all fronts, and this includes threats from inside. Stay with me.

 

 

 

The evidence has shown it. There's not one smoking gun. There's hundreds. All of the recent terrorist attacks, including 911, were conceived, directed, and covered up by the government in order to get the people behind an unjust war of imperialism for profit. It is well documented fact, not some wild conspiracy.

 

 

 

This isn't just for America. It's for everywhere. The London bombings were caused by the government too.

 

 

 

In no way do I expect you to believe this straight away. That would be arrogant. I want you to be skeptical, but I also want you to be curious so that you can investigate the evidence yourself, as I did, and realize what's happening.

 

 

 

I could go on for hours pointing out all of the facts I have learned in the few months i've been researching this, but I don't have to. I can point you out to several very good documentaries all made people much more informed than me. But that will come later.

 

 

 

Before you dismiss this as a wild conspiracy theory, just think, if there was even a one in a million chance that what i'm saying is true, do you think the founding fathers would want to spend the time investigating further to make sure it isn't?

 

 

 

I want you to prove me wrong. I want you to watch the videos I will direct you to, and I want you to prove them false, and make sure there is no threat to your country. And until you can do that without a single seed of doubt, it's your duty as an american to guard your country over your government (this applies to everyone else not from america too).

 

 

 

So, are you ready for the evidence. Maybe, but I would like you to do one thing first.

 

 

 

Did you know that the vast majority of americans don't even know the five basic rights granted to them in the constitution? I find this rather sad. Before you face the possible revelation that your government might not be what it seems, I want you to go read the constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independence (you can easily find them on search engines). Only when you have read and completely understood them (not just skimming. concentrate!) do I recommend you proceed forward.

 

 

 

And if you live in another country, go re-read your own respective constitutions, and look at what rights you have.

 

 

 

My personal goal is to also have the bill of rights completely memorized, if that might also interest you.

 

 

 

The reason I want you to do this is because when people don't even know what their own rights are George Bush can say "Oh, well it's in the constitution to search your home without a warrant" and nobody will care, even know the fourth amendment specifically prohibits that.

 

 

 

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If you've read this far, I would like to congratulate on you caring enough about your country to go put in the effort to re-read your country's most sacred legal documents, and also for even listening to me.

 

 

 

I'm done using my own words in this argument. You need more experienced people in fighting the new world order following you now.

 

 

 

When you first look at these documentaries, my challenge to you is try to disprove them as best as you can. In doing so you will realize that you cannot disprove them and that they are speaking the truth.

 

 

 

Despite skepticism, I can't stress enough that you need to take these things dead seriously. You're in a new age. The future of not only your country but the entire world could be at stake. Don't take any assumptions with you. Take nothing for granted. Open-mindness is key.

 

 

 

That will be all. Now on to the evidence. First of all, let's tackle 911. Loose Change is an excellent documentary on what really happens and presents the cold scientific facts proving that 911 was an inside job. Your job, among other things, is to explain how such a big passenger jet plane could make such a small hole in the pentagon, clarify how thermite (you'll find out about it in the video) mysteriously showed up in the WTC, and why the government is being so secretive about it. URL: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change+recut

 

 

 

Did you know that there is no law in existance requiring you to pay a federal income tax? And that it's not really being used for government services? Aaron Russo's documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism" will make you learn a lot about how corrupt government really is. All you have to do in this one is show me the law. URL: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&total=1007&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

 

 

This is perhaps the most intense one of all. Alex Jones's "TerrorStorm" is both a brief history of government sponsored terrorism and a wake up call bigger than you'll likely get anywhere else. URL: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6885277369482418431&q=Terrorstorm%3A+Final+Cut+Special&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

 

 

EDIT: Also see a transcript of David Ray Griffin's lecture: 9/11 and the american empire. Very interesting stuff. URL: http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/madison.html

 

 

 

I know that watching all of these will require a specific investment in time, but your country's worth it. Just devote some of your time to watch one a day.

 

 

 

Of course watching these are only a starting block. You still need to do alot of research about history and human nature on your own. Places like http://www.infowars.com provide you with a reliable media search without the government spin.

 

 

 

What i'm trying to say here, and it's probably the most important thing mentioned in this whole thread, but knowledge is power. The globalists know that, so they attempt keep the knowledge for themselves. They know that the vast majority of the citizens of the world are ignorant of what's happening, and as long as they can maintain that ignorance, they'll stay in power. The wars of the 21st century won't be fought with tanks or bombers. They will be fought with terror and propaganda. Arm yourself with information. If you know how things are and have been working in the world you'll be invulnerable to this manipulation.

 

 

 

I know I am probably going to get flamed for posting something so controversial, but it needs to be done, and if no one else if going to do it I certainly will.

 

 

 

Sorry if i'm sounding like a bit of a nut, but it makes me sick how far my country has descended into a fascist police state. We are in an illegal war, not for reconstruction of a nation, but for oil and empire. The rights of the people are being encroached on everyday by the globalists. We need to do something about it before it's too late. Death to the new world order. Death to globalism. GOD BLESS AMERICA

[Barihawk]

I was interested for about half of that, then when I got to 2007 started laughing uncontrollably.

[Mercifull]

There is no "new world order" at least until the Chinese invade us and take over the world. Stop reading weekly world news.

[NickCini]

I honestly read most of that. Occasionally skipping over part. I lost a lot of respect when you encouraged people to "go to wikipedia and learn about it".

 

 

 

I'm not saying that most wikipedia articles are un-accurate. But they are. It has become an unreliable source of information.

 

 

 

Then the links to propaganda, and conspiracy theories. Sorry, but the American government, or any other government didn't cause the atrocities of 9/11 or 7th July in Britain. Or the madrid train bombings. Or the countless other bombings worldwide. The notion that they did is fairly ludicrous.

 

 

 

Why would they? I don't accept any of the arguments you put forth in your first post for them to do this.

[bartoron]

Well what do you know, you posted a link to an Alex Jones video.

 

 

 

Fail.

[highlanders]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

[Mercifull]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

No we are not norrow minded we just prefer to see real evidence before making outlandish statements. I will bet you my house and my car that you are wrong (approx ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã160k/$322,000). Will you offer equivalent back? As Randi said, there is a difference between being open minded and having a hole in your head in which your brain leaks out. you sir, have a hole.

[richpoepaap]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

 

Actually people in tip.it are skeptical, wich you encourage. We're not "narrow-minded" just because we don't run after every theory or idea you provide.

[llamster]

The American government is undeniably corrupt, but I highly doubt that they were responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

[Satenza]

You're going to get flamed a lot. I don't beleive all thats said, but it's better to take a stand from a critical viewpoint than it is to insult people that do. My advice would be to read some of the counter evidence to documentries like "Loose Change" instead of hearing one side of the argument. Some questions will always remain though.

[highlanders]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

 

Actually people in tip.it are skeptical, wich you encourage. We're not "narrow-minded" just because we don't run after every theory or idea you provide.

 

There's a difference between being narrow-minded and skeptical, they're easily confused. Being skeptical means having a doubt, and making your own research to find out the truth, this is what we want you to do. Being narrow-minded means being biased, or unreceptive to new ideas. Check your dictionary.

[Nom]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

 

Actually people in tip.it are skeptical, wich you encourage. We're not "narrow-minded" just because we don't run after every theory or idea you provide.

 

There's a difference between being narrow-minded and skeptical, they're easily confused. Being skeptical means having a doubt, and making your own research to find out the truth, this is what we want you to do. Being narrow-minded means being biased, or unreceptive to new ideas. Check your dictionary.

 

 

 

I'm fully behind Mercifull on this one, there's a difference between having an open mind and having a hole in your head through which your brain leaks out. Look at your sig. It's one thing to be open minded and embrace the possibilty of things, but quite another to believe anything that goes against the grain of common knowledge just for the sake of going against the grain of common knowledge (and don't nitpick at word choice, I couldn't find a better one). Having an open mind towards alternate truths does not make them automatically true.

 

 

 

That being said, I think the entire terrorist conspiracy thing is ludicrous, corrupt though our government is they wouldn't stage terrorist attacks on our own soil. They would run the risk of being exposed, as these videos and theories claim to do, and that would be catastrophic.

[Poopingman]

Heres what New World Order looks like to me:

 

 

 

[richpoepaap]

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

 

Actually people in tip.it are skeptical, wich you encourage. We're not "narrow-minded" just because we don't run after every theory or idea you provide.

 

There's a difference between being narrow-minded and skeptical, they're easily confused. Being skeptical means having a doubt, and making your own research to find out the truth, this is what we want you to do. Being narrow-minded means being biased, or unreceptive to new ideas. Check your dictionary.

 

People in tipit oftenly counter your ideas about "new world orders" and "the bermuda traingle is for real" with sources provding viable counterarguments- so they obviously have looked into it themselves.

 

You practically believe every loony theory out there, as far as I can see.

[Hi9im8Here7]

I honestly read most of that. Occasionally skipping over part. I lost a lot of respect when you encouraged people to "go to wikipedia and learn about it".

 

 

 

I believe wikipedia is a good source of information for a quick read. It's when you want to write a detailed or something around those grounds when I stop reading it.

 

 

 

Of course, your opinion on the website may be different than mine, but that really doesn't give you grounds to dismiss this entire thread when that clearly isn't what i'm trying to say.

 

 

 

 

 

]I'm not saying that most wikipedia articles are un-accurate. But they are.

 

 

 

Er, what? You just made a statement in one sentence while simultaneously contradicting it in the very next.

 

 

 

 

Then the links to propaganda, and conspiracy theories. Sorry, but the American government, or any other government didn't cause the atrocities of 9/11 or 7th July in Britain. Or the madrid train bombings. Or the countless other bombings worldwide. The notion that they did is fairly ludicrous.

 

 

 

I think everyone here is acting a bit naive. Before we can answer of the question of how involved they were in these terrible attacks we have to answer whether or not humans are capable of this. And history has shown that they caertainly are. All we have to do is look at our history books.

 

 

 

How ludicrous could it possibly be? Where are your sources? Where is your evidence that i'm wrong?

 

 

 

Well what do you know, you posted a link to an Alex Jones video.

 

 

 

Fail.

 

 

 

What's wrong with Alex Jones? Just because you don't like him personally you choose to disregard this whole thread?

 

 

 

My country is in alot of trouble, and Alex seems to be one of the few who admits it. Do you think I want to believe him? Do you think I want to believe that our government is lying to us? Of course not. But I will not deny the facts.

 

 

 

It's true, and it had to be said, good job Hi9im.

 

 

 

The people on tip.it are very narrow-minded. If you can just awaken one person to the truth, it would be a success. In all cases, if they don't awaken to reality, I have the feeling they will die. It's my gut feeling, I won't question it.

 

 

 

Thank you. I was about to go pull my hair off. :wall:

 

 

 

But seriously, I don't think it's fair to blame them for their behavior just because they go to Tipit. I'm almost certain I would get laughed at wherever I put this.

 

 

 

 

No we are not norrow minded we just prefer to see real evidence

 

 

 

Have you even been listening? If you would have just looked a little farther you would've uncovered tons of it.

 

 

 

I said it in my first post and i'll say it again. Don't believe me!!! Believe the facts!!! I want you to be skeptical and curious so that you'll look farther and try to deny the multile pieces of smoking gun evidence in 911 alone. Make the effort to actually do what i'm asking you to do and investigate. I have admitted that I am inexperienced and directed you to several videos I have come across to give you an idea of what's happening. It all comes down to whether or not you're ready to listen.

 

 

 

The American government is undeniably corrupt, but I highly doubt that they were responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

 

 

 

You know that our government is corrupt, and yet you fail to even consider the possibility? Do you know how those people think?

 

 

 

You're going to get flamed a lot. I don't beleive all thats said, but it's better to take a stand from a critical viewpoint than it is to insult people that do. My advice would be to read some of the counter evidence to documentries like "Loose Change" instead of hearing one side of the argument. Some questions will always remain though.

 

 

 

When I found loose change I tried to be the government's advocate. I gave them the benefit of the doubt as long as I could until I couldn't put up with it anymore. I'm not trying to be one sided.

 

 

 

Of course I don't listen to one theory continuously. I'm doing this because I would agree with everything Alex Jones says no matter what or anything like that (though many of you are sounding like that unfortunately).

 

 

 

EDIT: sorry for the grammar error, what I meant to say is I wouldn't.

 

 

 

Oh btw, did anyone here even bother to watch loose change?

 

 

Having an open mind towards alternate truths does not make them automatically true.

True, but you're completely killing off the possibility even before you know anything about it.

 

 

 

You practically believe every loony theory out there, as far as I can see.

 

 

 

Sorry but that's completely false. I can't speak for highlanders, but I don't believe in the bermuda triangle, or big foot, or the loch ness monster for that matter. But I do believe in this, because I have read alot about world history and I know these things have happened over and over again.

[highlanders]

But seriously, I don't think it's fair to blame them for their behavior just because they go to Tipit. I'm almost certain I would get laughed at wherever I put this.

 

I agree that this not a problem only facing tip.it, it's a global problem, so many people are just oblivious to reality.

 

 

 

Try the forum link in my signature. Actually if you posted that in the ATS forum, they would probably just be a little annoyed that you'd state the obvious :wink:

 

 

 

You practically believe every loony theory out there, as far as I can see.

 

 

Nope I don't believe in loony theories either. But apparently, you and your government believe that a man in a cave is going to take over the world, wow talk about loony theories, I'm beaten :P

[Satenza]

 

 

 

You're going to get flamed a lot. I don't beleive all thats said, but it's better to take a stand from a critical viewpoint than it is to insult people that do. My advice would be to read some of the counter evidence to documentries like "Loose Change" instead of hearing one side of the argument. Some questions will always remain though.

 

 

 

When I found loose change I tried to be the government's advocate. I gave them the benefit of the doubt as long as I could until I couldn't put up with it anymore. I'm not trying to be one sided.

 

 

 

Of course I don't listen to one theory continuously. I'm doing this because I would agree with everything Alex Jones says no matter what or anything like that (though many of you are sounding like that unfortunately).

 

 

 

Clearly you have failed to research any counter arguments to "Loose Change". There are websites devoted to debunking it. Here are some:

 

 

 

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[speedofsound]

This subject, is a subject I am very interested in. I have researched, via the internet, both sides of this matter rather extensivley and yet I'm still not sure what I believe. At times I want to believe its all [cabbage], but at other times the evidence seems to overwhelming.

 

 

 

I just can't make a real judgement yet.

 

 

 

And I have something to say to you highlanders.

 

 

 

Your calling us narrow minded yet, your too narrow minded to see why what you believe may actually be false.

[Lenin64]

It sounded good at first, but then I saw the bolded part about 9/11...wackjob....

[KCHughes]

Saying that Loose Change is a good documentary is like saying Counter-Strike is an accurate and realistic representation of combat.

[speedofsound]

Saying that Loose Change is a good documentary is like saying Counter-Strike is an accurate and realistic representation of combat.

 

 

 

hahahahah, well said KCHughes.

[Giordano]

Even if it's highly unprobable, we should at least keep our eyes peeled. Governments like America are capitable of turning into an Imperial Order such as the Roman. I'm not saying it will, but it could happen and we should keep our eyes peeled.

[Evil_Sabre]

this was actually pretty interesting until the part about 9/11 conspiracy..... :roll:

[malo2]

you're not the first to make a thread about it, and I won't bother going on about your ignorance.

[llamster]

I never said that I didn't consider the possibility. I said that I highly doubted it. There's a difference.

 

 

 

The evidence you provided was convincing, but not enough to get me to believe that the U.S. Government deliberately killed thousands of people.