Hooray for macros?

[The Observer]

Also, if the macroers were gone, honest players would cut yew logs for money. The community will adapt..

[Giordano]

If marcos disappeared, honest players would start gathering materials and selling it. Once marcos are gone, prices will shoot up and people will take this advantange. Over time, it will go down to the original price or a bit higher.

[fakeitormakeit]

I'd actually prefer all macros & autoers gone even though I don't wc. Zo Noes! The wcers would become the aristocrats!

 

 

 

Anyways, as everyone else said its best if they all DIE!!!

[l0rdbarney]

hooray for some macros, mainly ess macros

 

yew autoers slow us down, like they chop what could have been our logs, but ess autoers dont affect us in anyway, how much they mine doesnt affect us

 

now that theyre gone(pure ess and there was a huge banning), ess prices are like, from 20 to 30/35 ea now...

 

 

 

u p2p can get yews anytime u want as in more empty trees

 

for f2p, if we want yews, its all hoged by autos, so as an f2p i dont care that p2p has no logs :twisted:, so imo i dont like yew autoers

 

 

 

but ya i agree, some autoers are defnitely needed in the game, even if it means some ppl get lucky and rich

 

btw- they should have made the new update, all bronze arrows 2 ea, then all those losers who autoed at the shop for 6 ea lose massive money, thsoe are the ppl now selling lke 3m bronze arrows(no1 goes out and fletches that many arrows), so if u see thos guys, cyber-slap em for me

[Bo4345]

MACROS=ftl

[doomy]

What about bowstrings, without bots it takes like over an hour to get 10k

[retaxis2]

Oh NOES!

 

 

 

that would mean you have to get them....

 

 

 

 

 

YOURSELF!!!! Oh noes.... putting some efford in gathering!!!!

 

 

 

Honestly, I think this game needs more gatherers (other then autoers) so you actually see what it means not to buy a skill (fletching, cooking) but to actually put some efford in it to get the 99.

 

 

 

People put effort into making the money to "buy" those skills btw. You talk as if millions respawn in your bank every minute.

 

 

 

A reduce in autoers is always good nonetheless.

[omirzan]

are u all out of ur minds????? im a decent woodcutter... these macroers r sooo annoying! :evil:

 

 

 

runescape would be sooo much better without them... -.-

[Solidus_77]

who cares, people managed to survive buying yew logs before the invasion of macroers. This has been discussed many times, in 3 different forums. Can we stop repeating the same arguments over and over again? This isn't some huge revelation.

 

 

 

If macroers are banned, produces win, consumers lose but illegal selling is taken out of the game and therefore the consumers loss is an acceptable loss.

[Master_Smither]

F2p users > Macros

 

 

 

If Macros were gone F2p could cut yews like crazy which would bring prices equal or a little bit higher than normal. But seriously it never hurt to get some things your self.

[Solidus_77]

F2p users > Macros

 

 

 

If Macros were gone F2p could cut yews like crazy which would bring prices equal or a little bit higher than normal. But seriously it never hurt to get some things your self.

 

 

 

comparative advantage states you make what you are most efficient at making (or least inefficient) . This means, if you can make a better income on anything better than yews, it makes more sense to use your income to buy the yews.

 

 

 

So in the end, it can hurt efficiency. I don't want to defend macros, but I don't think advocating self-sufficiency is a good enough reason unless, of course, the price jumps to the point where you're better off getting them yourself.

[dacona]

i myself hate bots more than anthing.

 

 

 

i have been working for months on woodcutting to get it to what... 85!

 

 

 

my bro worked on fletching being fueled by bots and he got 99 fletch within a couple of weeks.

 

 

 

for once just once i wanted to be the better at something - so he goes and ruins it making it a competition.

 

 

 

if i didnt say "im gonna try getting 99 wc" my brother wouldnt have tryed getting 99 fletching...

[Michael]

I wouldn't mind if they all got banned, I could make some easier cash selling yews then.

[wild_goat_14]

hooray for some macros, mainly ess macros

 

yew autoers slow us down, like they chop what could have been our logs, but ess autoers dont affect us in anyway, how much they mine doesnt affect us

 

now that theyre gone(pure ess and there was a huge banning), ess prices are like, from 20 to 30/35 ea now...

 

 

 

u p2p can get yews anytime u want as in more empty trees

 

for f2p, if we want yews, its all hoged by autos, so as an f2p i dont care that p2p has no logs :twisted:, so imo i dont like yew autoers

 

 

 

but ya i agree, some autoers are defnitely needed in the game, even if it means some ppl get lucky and rich

 

btw- they should have made the new update, all bronze arrows 2 ea, then all those losers who autoed at the shop for 6 ea lose massive money, thsoe are the ppl now selling lke 3m bronze arrows(no1 goes out and fletches that many arrows), so if u see thos guys, cyber-slap em for me

 

 

 

Sadly this is the average Runescaper's thoughts. The secondary skills in runescape weren't made to be the easy bought 99s. Yet macroers have turned it into that. Runescape needs to go back to a time hwere people gather, not just buy, get xp, sell, re-buy.

[Doomster]

I'd say a lot more honest players would woodcut, without the insane competition for Yews (and even lower level trees).

 

 

 

Macroing resources has two main effects:

 

1. Price depression

 

2. Freeze-out - on resources that are competed for, players get tired of losing to bots, unless they have a super-level to freeze out the bots.

 

 

 

Of the primary resource gathering activities (F2P)

 

1. Essence mining - non-competetive, and when Jagex "fixed" this, they made the situation worse on other resources

 

2. Ore mining - fully competetive, "winner takes all" on each rock.

 

3. Woodcutting - competetive, many cutters bring down a tree fast with few logs each.

 

4. Fishing - slightly competetive, more fishers mean more spot moves, a random which inconveniences all.

 

5. Shop hogging - competetive buy-out... fixed (at what cost?) by the shop update with repercussions for buyers, sellers and makers.

 

 

 

Couldn't care less about RWT, other than how the bots steal from legit players - if item trading (real world) is so popular, I wish they would consider changing from a subscription to an item-buy mode, so those with more money than patience would be subsidising those who take a slower path.

[venron]

Well actually, i do believe that macros have indeed made the prices for many items to drop significantly. But then again, that's about all they do. For people who invest and merchant, or stock up on items, they tend to lose lots of money. For others who trained hard for their targetted levels, are beaten by people who cheat.

 

 

 

Runescape is a game. Virtual reality i suppose, and it aims to allow people like us to have fun, to indulge in virtual reality or perhaps pursue an interest or even carve a career out of it such as tip.it. Real world trading can be considered as a money making venture, and i guess many macros are involved in these real world trading sites. If what they're doing doesn't affect the runescape community, then Jagex won't hold anything against them. But the runescape community was built over time, prices and practices or other stuff were painstakingly built up. Only to be ruined by botters? As i mentioned earlier on, its supposed to be fun. Why cheat and macro? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of "fun"?

 

 

 

And i'm sure many or most of the people who started off in runescape classic, watched runescape grow from a corny yet addictive game into a surprising success as it is today. Those who even wrote guides, or have been abiding these guides closely, are sure to notice the price changes caused by botters. I can't say that price changes are bad, and even if i did, many will disagree with me. But that's not the point i'm trying to get at. The efforts of players who trained hard, who spent countless hours on their skills or on runescape related stuff, are compromised with unfairness within the game. To f2p-ers like me, many have yet to realise that even in member worlds do macros exist. So if that's the case, if macro-ing brings about the many benefits as some claim, why not lets just all be bots and drive runescape into a ghastly society of emptiness?

 

 

 

As for those who remember how lobster fishing was fun, or yew cutting relaxing, those days were long gone. I'm speaking from a biased stand that macros ought to be condemned. Cheating is a sin, and sinned they will be.

[Voldmort0]

This isn't news flash, lol. Macros affect the prices and income of MANY things, not just yew logs. But yeah, it's unfair but helpful.

[Chippy_PK]

they do help the economy but whats the point in wasting ur money on bots for a virtual game? its kinda pathetic actually

[hybrid2hell]

Woodcutting used to be my favorite skill. Now i am hesitant when thinking about going to wc because of all the bots. If the bots were gone, i would cut yews all day (and so would a lot of others considering its basically the #1 money-maker in f2p)

[venron]

yeah.. but the thing is, the random events are actually part of an attempt to eliminate botters, but its not working. What can jagex do? ):

[Zilla]

I really dont care if prices go up for items that bots use, if they are all gone..

 

 

 

"OH NOES! :ohnoes: You have to actually work! :boohoo: "

 

 

 

I want people to work for skill capes and such, they dont deserve too buy the skills.

[Saru Inc]

More monies for our economy!! AWESOME!!!

 

 

 

I'm sick of all of these people making threads about the economy, when they have no idea what it even is or why it functions the way it does.

 

 

 

If macroers were wiped out, yews would go up in price, thats true. But did you even stop to think that everything else would go up in price too? I mean, you have to get the money somewhere right? So if you fish lobsters, sell them, and then buy the logs with that money, it would all basically balance out because your lobsters would also be more expensive.

 

 

 

Also, I should point out that the price of bowstrings is influenced by the price of logs, and the price of both of these are influenced by the price of the full bow, which will likely not change very much regardless of how many autoers there are. The only people who buy yew longs are alchers, and they aren't even going to buy the bows if the price gets too high. This then makes the price drop and then stabilize.

 

 

 

I agree. The prices may go way up, or maybe even way down for maybe the first month. But they'll stabilize.

[warren211]

Yea the whole issue of autoers is the runescape equivalent to illegal mexicans in america. some want them out for coming illegally, others remember that lawns don't mow themselves. :-k

[Zilla]

Yea the whole issue of autoers is the runescape equivalent to illegal mexicans in america. some want them out for coming illegally, others remember that lawns don't mow themselves. :-k

 

 

 

Lol!!!! so true! :lol:

 

 

 

Heres a cookie for your efforts.

 

 

 

[InkofDeath]

There's a simple answer:

 

 

 

Jagex are behind the Bots.

 

 

 

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Without bots, the prices would go up yes, but honestly only by 30-250gp depending on the item itself. Which is quite a lot if you think in the thousands, already lobsters have gone up by 70gp from their recent drop to 200gp, it is causing a massive disturbance to F2P, pkers, and to those who don't know about better food than lobs. Just think how bad it would be if almost all raw materials would be effected?

 

 

 

Also, easier cash? No?

 

 

 

You'd spend that cash on other items you'd buy which would increase in price, unless you gathered everything yourself, which is truly going to take you 10 years, and some serious dedication.