There's a reader review on RuneScape on IGN about bots...I agree almost completely!

 

 

 

http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrview/tv/ ... 093/74287/

So, why not post the link for us so we 'can agree' as well? That or at least enlighten us why the article is so good.

 

 

 

Not much discussion can occur otherwise.

I didn't know if we were allowed.

I didn't know if we were allowed.

 

 

 

http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrview/tv/ ... 093/74287/

 

 

 

Don't worry, Tip.it is very different from the RSOF, as you will find out. As long as your not using referral links, they're allowed.

 

 

 

Edit: As for that article it wasn't anything special. Basically its just regurgitating what every player has been saying since the beginning: 'Jagex has to crack down on bots harder'. I suppose I agree with that though. :|

Your post title+adding the link had to be modified so it can constitute as any kind of discussion.

 

 

 

In the future try explaining 'why' you agree with something, and try to promt others for their opinion.. That's why it's called the 'general discussions' forum 8-)

I didn't know if we were allowed.

 

 

 

http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrview/tv/ ... 093/74287/

 

 

 

Don't worry, Tip.it is very different from the RSOF, as you will find out. As long as your not using referral links, they're allowed.

 

 

 

Thanks for the tip! I monitor this forum and IGN (among others), but I know that some places don't like posting outside gaming website links.

Your post title+adding the link had to be modified so it can constitute as any kind of discussion.

 

 

 

In the future try explaining 'why' you agree with something, and try to promt others for their opinion.. That's why it's called the 'general discussions' forum 8-)

 

 

 

Sorry. I guess it's no surprise that I'm new to posting here (not reading, but I only registered to post recently).

Lasting Appeal 2.7? It's an MMORPG, even if its cabbage appeal in his opinion it's still lasting.

I wasn't completely agreeing with the whole review, just the bot thing. Yeah, those ratings are a little wacky!

Just quote the relevant paragraph here from the source. Helps us feel more safer. :wall:

Just quote the relevant paragraph here from the source. Helps us feel more safer. :wall:

 

 

 

 

 

ign is a very safe and reputable website. do not fear it.

Its alright review.

 

 

 

But it comes out with utter cabbage remarks.

 

 

 

 

 

"Programs called 'bots' or 'macros' allow low level computerized players to amass items that can be both sold in game by playing by the rules"

 

they aren't playing by the rules to begin with

 

 

 

"it doesn't offer graphics or playability on the level of World of Warcraft. "

 

As I've said before comparing rs to WoW is stupid. WoW is a cd room multinational coporation product, Rs is a web based java applet. Beyond the fact they are both mmorpg the different formats makes them virtually uncomparable in a sane mind

 

 

 

"hours into the experience won't put you on par with long-time gamers and their schemes"

 

this doesn't even seem to mean anything???? of course hours into an mmorpg your not on par with the long-time players. Any mmorpg worth its salt is to complex for such things

 

 

 

"While the free version of the game allows a nice portion of the world, it should either allow more of it with greater restrictions on levelling (like level caps at 50 instead of 99) or less of the world with more features available in order to let the free players evaluate whether they'd like to purchase time in the P2P world. "

 

Pure stupidty. f2p offers a nice chunk of the game as a demo. Why should they be given more space etc but restricted to lvl 50? That just gives them access to basically everything 50% of members achieve before quitting. Conversly if he argues that they aren't shown enough why then give them a smaller world space???????

 

 

 

" Graphics

 

Primitive, at best. Jagex does offer an even lower quality graphics version in order to combat lag, but it should offer better graphics for those paying customers."

 

You go learn how to make the most complex java web based applet to date and see if you can make better graphics. But then again can you expect a more critical and subjective view point from someone who compares a java applet to wow?

 

 

 

" Gameplay

 

The greatest problems seem to be bad choices in things as small as inventory limits on the player and as big as non-intuitive combat systems."

 

WTF! The combat system is hardly non-intuative. Sure the f2p one may offer little. But with slayer and they assorted monsters with their notable resistances and weakness to range, mage elements and certain melee styles its no less intuative than most mmorpgs. And the invetory is not a problem, across the world of mmorpg rs inventory size lands at about the average size.

 

 

 

" Lasting Appeal

 

I can't imagine there is a middle-ground between players who drop the game after a few hours of play and die-hard fans who both pay to play it and play all the time."

 

He's blind sighted then. Given rs has last appeal to near to 1million users.And his middle ground sorely exsists. 90% of players I know pay to play and get on for maybe an hour or so a day 4 times a week

 

 

 

 

 

okay I went thru and editted out the typing errors my enthuiasm and lack of time caused. Also for more about intuitive combat system and why rs's is one see my next reply on page 2

This review isn't putting enough faith into Jagex for what they do against bots, macroers, and real-world traders. In truth, not a single one of us really could -- there are times when I feel like they need to be doing more. But, there's some things that we should keep in mind when dealing with such a touchy topic.

 

 

 

1. Realize that IP addresses come and go. It isn't hard to reset a router to get a brand new IP address. Jagex does IP banning, but if they can reset their router, bye-bye ban.

 

 

 

2. Pursuing many of these macroers that sell gold for money online is a lot harder than you think. Many companies are stepping up what they can do legally, but of course, they're bound by the countries that they're in, and the countries that the offenders are in.

 

 

 

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With those aside, let me begin to dissect the rest of this.

 

 

 

[The biggest complaint is that it's too easy for trouble-makers and computerized programs to make playing frustrating for those who really do sit in front of the computer while their player kills five thousand imps to advance one strength level or clicks away at an open mining site trying to amass gold or mithril to smith or chops oak trees in order to get to a high enough level to chop yews or use a rune axe.]

 

 

 

We call that "grinding". It occurs in most every major MMO. Funnily enough, doesn't matter what you do -- you'll never escape it. Either come to grips with it or reject it. Besides, who the hell would waste their time killing 5,000 imps for a strength level if you really wanted one? (Don't breathe a word about the Champion Challenges, either.)

 

 

 

 

 

[Though Jagex tries to "crack down" on such offenders, it's only through hours of completing mindless tasks that the player gets more out of the game, which makes even the most rule-abiding players consider using those 'bots' to get tasks done.]

 

 

 

...Just because I like to mine means that I'm more prone to use a bot? The hell kind of statement is that?

 

 

 

[The game does offer a number of 'quests' for free players and promises to expand the number periodically, but while the free world map is only a small percentage of the full game available for P2P's, it doesn't offer graphics or playability on the level of World of Warcraft.]

 

 

 

[Graphics]

 

 

 

RuneScape can run on a GX1, 333MHz processor, and 128MB of RAM, running either Windows 98 or Mandrake Linux, with a 15GB hard disk (with of course, 2GB left out for whatever the OS wanted).

 

 

 

World of Warcraft wouldn't even consider installing.

 

 

 

Comparing the graphics of RuneScape to World of Warcraft is like comparing the Atari 2600 to the PS3. Way too one-sided there. Besides, Java is a flexible (OS-independent) programming language. Using that old GX1, running any OS (98, 2K, Linux-based), I could play RuneScape just fine. Of course, WoW only runs on Windows 2K or higher, requires a much more decent computer and a graphics card to boot. On top of that, I have to have near 10GB of hard disk space to run WoW. I think I could probably fit all of RuneScape (and server data) on a floppy.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I think this guy is quite full of it. He should at the very least understand the amazing progress that Jagex has made with Java (and allowing me to run it on a GX1 if I so desired, and no I do not desire that).

I agree totally with this author. Jagex must go on even harder on the bots and macros to solve the problem that they're to the rest of the RS community. If they succeed with removing the bots and macros, RS would become a much better place for pretty much everyone and probalby there would come many more players to it.

You say the lasting appeal (or w/e) rating is low, but how many people that start go on to become high levels?

 

 

 

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That reviewer is talking out of his rear. he's comparing RS to WoW. once i saw the words 'World of Warcraft' i knew it was gonna be full of rubbish...

Thats the biggest Bunch of [cabbage] I ever heard

waste of time, dont bother reading it.

Interesting article, but the ratings bother me.

 

 

 

6.8 Presentation

 

Quaint, medieval theme that has been done before, but do you really want to play an RPG that is set in the 1950s?

 

 

 

Agreed here, despite the overused medival theme, it's the ideal theme for an MMORPG. Besides, rs offers more that.

 

 

 

4.1 Graphics

 

Primitive, at best. Jagex does offer an even lower quality graphics version in order to combat lag, but it should offer better graphics for those paying customers.

 

 

 

Strongly disagreed here. It's primitive however it's all in sync. I'd rate the graphics of runescape above that of a game that tries to have good graphics but is full of ridiculous things (like helmets floating next to the head or crap like that)

 

 

7.8 Sound

 

Almost a game-within-the-game, additional music can be "earned" simply by exploring the RS world.

 

 

 

That aspect is good, but I think the music is overrated in terms of quality. Even if it presents each theme of the area well.

 

 

 

3.9 Gameplay

 

The greatest problems seem to be bad choices in things as small as inventory limits on the player and as big as non-intuitive combat systems.

 

 

 

Strongly disagree here as well. There are plenty of MMOs out there that just have you click to use functions. The only difference with runescape is that you click where you want to go instead of using the arrow keys.

 

 

 

Simplicity also has it's advantages as I can multi-task while I play.

 

 

 

2.7 Lasting Appeal

 

I can't imagine there is a middle-ground between players who drop the game after a few hours of play and die-hard fans who both pay to play it and play all the time.

 

 

 

This is totally biased and obviously reflects a bad experience that the person had.

Lots of fanboys in denial here.

 

 

 

I agree with all the author's ratings except lasting appeal, which deserves more points.

Lots of fanboys in denial here.

 

 

 

I agree with all the author's ratings except lasting appeal, which deserves more points.

 

 

 

Sorry, but just because one reviewer gave it a low score does not mean its a bad game :roll:

 

 

 

He obviously hasn't played it long enough to actually experience the combat system, and I can tell by this quote right here, "non-intuitive combat systems."

 

 

 

Sorry, I'm a pker, and I can tell you, while the combat system is not nearly as complex as wow, it can be quite intuitive.

 

 

 

This was obviously a review written by someone who possibly hit lvl 60 in the game, not like one of the wow reviewers who have 3 lvl 70 characters.

 

 

 

If you would allow someone who plays the game and has a 10k+ ranked character, you would obviously get a better review.

some statements made me think that guy hasn't been playing rs the way I do. inventory is fine IMO, just like the gameplay. And the graphics part made me think he hasn't really take this artcile seriously.

 

1/10 for the article.

I'm an active critic of the game where I feel it is warranted -- hardly a "fanboy" -- and I, too, found the review overly simplistic and superficial. I don't believe the reviewer really "got" what the game is about, or what its appeal is to millions of players.

I think the author rated the game pretty fairly. Most of you got so little general mmorpg experience apart from Runescape that you have very little insight to compare. The combat system is non-intuitive. An intuitive combat system uses hotkeys, keyboard keys, aswell as the mouse, and when you play it feels natural to do so. With Runescape, this is completely lacking, all we have is the mouse.

 

Runescape isn't a bad game, but it is what it is. You cannot expect people to give it amazing scores in things it is not good at. It's not because your a fanboy and that in your mind Runescape is worth 10 on 10 that it is how much the game is worth in an objective matter.

I don't think anyone here would rate RS as a 10/10 on any scale. But giving a game with what, 5 million players, many of whom have been playing for years, a rating of 2.7 on "lasting appeal" is a pretty serious disconnect.