Merchanters aren't Real Characters

[KnightElzar]

Another merchanter rant. If you're a merchanter, you'd probably best quit the game.

 

 

 

So I'm trying to buy my Torag's chest, and up comes a level 3, saying "I'll sell you it." I laughed and traded him, and he DID have one, and I'm like "Alright. big deal, he's a merchanter, so he obviously can't level skills." I bought it, and I was like "THAT JACK*** B**** RIPPED ME OFF 75K." Before you go "hah u newb", remember, I'm starting from nothing and working my way back up to 3 mil.

 

 

 

If you merchant- why? You're doing nothing but sitting there, wasting five bucks a month to say "ya i sell u this item rly high then buy another one." I've made 0 GP by merchanting, so I can say I'm an anti-merchant. It's stupid. You're taking the easy way out, and you're gonna be limited to wearing rares. I've played since 2002, and I've made all of my money by killing, gathering, or doing whatever I have to do.

 

 

 

Merchanters score a major miss on the point of the game. RuneScape isn't about money. It's about skill - of which, Merchanters have none, may I point out. They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

[Warrager]

If you don't like merchants, don't get involved... You should probably quit the game if you go: "THAT JACK*** B**** RIPPED ME OFF 75K." It's a game, let people play it however they want even if their only goal is money... And trust me, lots of merchants are NOT how you depict them, so don't generalize. They skill and train combat A LOT. Go check out Playtpus. They make extra money, like how you do it, but in a different way.

 

EDIT: Here is the profile of a really good herb/rare merchant. He has a couple of 98 skills, including one thats Construction. http://forum.tip.it/profile.php?mode=vi ... e&u=221776

[Dragonlordjl]

I merchant, but not intentionally. Usually, when I am passing through world 2 to sell items that I got from Slayer, I take a gander at the God Wars items, which are the big area of interest these days. If the prices are high, I sell and then rebuy. If they are low, I keep on walking. Basically, when I merchant, it's a spur of the moment thing. I don't purposely sit there and spam "buying all shards 800k each" and then try to sell them for 1m each.

[tehravenx]

Some of the nicest people in the game are merchants and they do have skill levels. I agree with war, don't generalize like that.

[purfishx]

It's really your fault for not knowing the price of the item in the first place.

 

 

 

Merchants are people too. Not everyone wants to camp out at monster sites killing blue drags for months. Think about it logically:

 

 

 

You make all your money from monster hunting. 1 month = 5mil.

 

Merchants make all their money from merching. 2 weeks or less = 5mil.

 

 

 

Just because you can't merchant doesn't automatically mean it's bad.

 

 

 

It's about skill - of which, Merchants have none, may I point out. They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

 

 

 

If you think Runescape is only about skill, you must be an idiot. You can hate merchants because of how we get our money, but I too can hate you of how you get your money. "Haha look at that stupid idiot wasting food and pots on trying to get a drop, while I got 2 Party sets in my bank and I never put myself in danger, tsk tsk."

 

 

 

Most of the merchants I know and see are either pures or mains. So they hafta have some sorta skill don't they?

[jak94]

what r u talking about?

[Death_Hippy]

Woh woh wait...since when do rpg's take skill? Isn't your level what determines how good you are? I mean, you don't see lvl 3's killing level 100's for a reason. And don't give me "oh ya it's not just about clicking, you need to pick out your weps and food". All you do is grab the STRONGEST weapon and get to the HIGHEST level and then EAT food if you get hurt...now, tell me when that takes "skill" and then I may play mmorpg's a LOT more (I do shooting games and rpg's...mostly shooters). Don't diss the merchanters just because they get money a hell of a lot esier than you do...also, they use the money to level up (by getting better weapons).

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Some merchants aren't that positive for the game, but I'll argue the fact that it's your own fault that you were ripped off. Little do people realize that if they take their time through the trading process, including (but not limited to!) talking to friends about prices, checking price guides, and double-checking EVERY screen, they can avoid being swindled or being outmaneuvered.

 

 

 

In all reality, merchanting isn't technically a skill, however it requires a lot of work anyway. Sure, they don't really do a damn thing for you or I, but they're free to play the game as they see fit. You can't change that like you can't change the fact that pures of all sorts and kinds exist.

 

 

 

Woh woh wait...since when do rpg's take skill? Isn't your level what determines how good you are? I mean, you don't see lvl 3's killing level 100's for a reason. And don't give me "oh ya it's not just about clicking, you need to pick out your weps and food". All you do is grab the STRONGEST weapon and get to the HIGHEST level and then EAT food if you get hurt...now, tell me when that takes "skill" and then I may play mmorpg's a LOT more (I do shooting games and rpg's...mostly shooters). Don't diss the merchanters just because they get money a hell of a lot esier than you do...also, they use the money to level up (by getting better weapons).

 

 

 

Death Hippy, we're talking about in-game skill. In-game skill lets you get all the good stuff, all the money, and all of that takes time. Realize the subject before you go runnin' off at the mouth, okay?

[Death_Hippy]

Woh woh wait...since when do rpg's take skill? Isn't your level what determines how good you are? I mean, you don't see lvl 3's killing level 100's for a reason. And don't give me "oh ya it's not just about clicking, you need to pick out your weps and food". All you do is grab the STRONGEST weapon and get to the HIGHEST level and then EAT food if you get hurt...now, tell me when that takes "skill" and then I may play mmorpg's a LOT more (I do shooting games and rpg's...mostly shooters). Don't diss the merchanters just because they get money a hell of a lot esier than you do...also, they use the money to level up (by getting better weapons).

 

 

 

Death Hippy, we're talking about in-game skill. In-game skill lets you get all the good stuff, all the money, and all of that takes time. Realize the subject before you go runnin' off at the mouth, okay?

No, I'm pretty sure he was talking about real skill (he even said "merchanters have no skill" which sounds VERY much like he's suggesting it).

[hephaestos8]

merchanting takes more skill then anything else in the game.

 

 

 

i could spend an hour and a half and get 1k flax worth 100k or i could spend the hour and a half merchanting and make 500k

 

 

 

and it is hard to believe that you have never merchanted, have you ever sold a law for 1k in the bank that is merchanting

[Solidus_77]

Well, where to start. First of all, you are ridiculously self-centered and this whole rant is about "I don't understand merchants and so i hate them". Not everyone is like you, and don't even think of assuming that is the case.

 

 

 

So I'm trying to buy my Torag's chest, and up comes a level 3, saying "I'll sell you it." I laughed and traded him, and he DID have one, and I'm like "Alright. big deal, he's a merchanter, so he obviously can't level skills." I bought it, and I was like "THAT JACK*** B**** RIPPED ME OFF 75K." Before you go "hah u newb", remember, I'm starting from nothing and working my way back up to 3 mil.

 

 

 

That's entirely your fault. BOTH you and the other person accepted the trade as it was. Deal with it.

 

 

 

What is more bothersome however is that you are basing all your judgment on simply the fact that he is level 3. How more ignorant can you get? Not only you are ignoring all his non-combat skills but you are just assuming this entire game is all about who's got better levels when that is only ONE of the MANY aspects of this game.

 

 

 

If you merchant- why? You're doing nothing but sitting there, wasting five bucks a month to say "ya i sell u this item rly high then buy another one." I've made 0 GP by merchanting, so I can say I'm an anti-merchant. It's stupid. You're taking the easy way out, and you're gonna be limited to wearing rares. I've played since 2002, and I've made all of my money by killing, gathering, or doing whatever I have to do.

 

 

 

That only shows that you are very biased against merchanting, and that you don't even understand merchanting. People play the game the way they want, if they want to collect expensive items let them do it. Basically, shut up and let people play the game the way they want.

 

 

 

 

Merchanters score a major miss on the point of the game.

 

 

 

Well obviously you fail to realize that the "point" of this game is to have fun. If they have fun merchanting then they are playing the game. Besides, as I will explain later, they provide a service that you fail to even notice.

 

 

 

RuneScape isn't about money.

 

 

 

You couldn't be more mistaken. This game functions on an economic system and market therefore it's entirely based on money.

 

 

 

It's about skill - of which, Merchanters have none, may I point out.

 

 

 

That's your opinion but more importantly, you're blaming merchants for not leveling their skills. How ignorant is that? Just because they have chosen not to level their skills does not mean they are "bad" players, they are simply different. It's this difference that you are unwilling to acknowledge and that is the reason for your ignorance.

 

 

 

Furthermore, you're only focusing on one extreme. Plenty of players spend some time leveling skills, and other times buy/sell items. You need to stop imagining merchants as part of their own secluded community because it's within our very own nature to get the best deal possible.

 

 

 

They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

 

 

 

It sickens me more to even imagine that there is a person in this world who is this self-centered. You hate merchants just because they are different. Now that, I believe, is a disgrace.

 

 

 

Now as I said before, merchants are here to offer a very important service to us. They act as a bystander between producers and consumers. They offer the service of convenience (which is apparently a very valued service considering what people are willing to pay). For people who need something but is not ready to spend hours on forums, they are there. For people who don't know the forums exist or have a hard time selling stuff on the forums for some particular reason, they are there.

 

 

 

One of the big misconceptions is that people are getting "ripped off" because merchants will sell for a higher price, well that's so wrong. People who sell to merchants sell to them because they do not want to spend the time on the forums looking for a better deal. If, for example, I sell my nats slightly cheaper to a merchant, he will then spend time on forums to sell for higher price. Some people then assume "oh well I could have found that higher price on my own" yet they forget that, in order to find that deal, the merchant had to spend hours wandering around the forum and/or ingame.

 

 

 

That is a perfect representation of the saying "time is money" because you are basically paying the merchant to spend time on the forums while you can save time and do more stuff ingame. Another example of this is people who don't know the item price, in this case you. When you bought your torag's chest, you only realized later that the price was higher. Obviously you were in a rush and you didn't take the time to see if there were any better deals. If you had taken the time to look for a better deal, you would have saved some money. However the moment you bought torag's chest, you decided to save time at the opportunity cost of 75k. Complaining about that now is another issue, however I'm using it as an example to show that, yet again, "time is money" and this time you chose time at the opportunity cost of money. Merchants are simply there to do the opposite.

 

 

 

Merchants are an integrated part of this game and offer the important service of convenience in this game. Don't like them? That's fine. After all, nobody is forcing you to be like them, however you have to understand an acknowledge different people's choices. If they don't want to do what you want them to do, like level up skills, it's their own free choice and it's none of your business to say otherwise.

 

 

 

By the way, despite my understanding of merchanting, I am anything but a merchant. To a certain extent I'm a skiller (as well as many, many other things), much like yourself however the difference between us is that I acknowledge the fact that different people like/dislike different things for different reasons. Acceptance and understanding are important things in our real world as well. We need to accept people in order to understand them, instead of hating them just for being different.

[Iamdan]

So let me get this straight.

 

 

 

You bought something off a player for 75k more than what it's worth?

 

 

 

How is this the player's fault in any way? He didn't force you to buy it, you could have bought it off someone else.

 

 

 

Also, don't go on about how it's the easy way out. It's not the easy way out, it's the intelligent way out. It requires more intelligence to merchant than to mindlessly click coal rocks/sparkling water/flax/monsters for hours at a time.

 

 

 

If you don't want to work with the market then good for you, just don't whine about people that do.

 

 

 

Sorry but this game doesn't need less merchants, it needs less idiots like you.

[limpbizkit]

So let me get this straight.

 

 

 

You bought something off a player for 75k more than what it's worth?

 

 

 

How is this the player's fault in any way? He didn't force you to buy it, you could have bought it off someone else.

 

 

 

Also, don't go on about how it's the easy way out. It's not the easy way out, it's the intelligent way out. It requires more intelligence to merchant than to mindlessly click coal rocks/sparkling water/flax/monsters for hours at a time.

 

 

 

If you don't want to work with the market then good for you, just don't whine about people that do.

 

 

 

Sorry but this game doesn't need less merchants, it needs less idiots like you.

 

 

 

:lol: Win?.

[Dragonlordjl]

I agree that Merchanting takes more actual real-world skill than any of the in-game skills. I am a part-time merchant, you might say, but I don't merchant anything in particular, as I stated earlier. I merchant what currently offers the best deal, and if nothing offers a good deal, I pass and go back to Slaying. Merchanting takes immense patience and a thorough knowledge of how the RS economy works.... It's based largely on speculation, but certain trends in the economy can be predicted through past experience. For example, I knew that the Zamorak Godswords would be pushed up by the hardcore merchants after the Zammy Boss "bugfix," so I watched the price carefully, waiting until it peaked. Then I took action and sold mine for 4m more than I paid. Within an hour later, they were back down to within 500k of their original price. It's all timing and patience.

[The_Gabe]

Another merchanter rant. If you're a merchanter, you'd probably best quit the game.

 

 

 

So I'm trying to buy my Torag's chest, and up comes a level 3, saying "I'll sell you it." I laughed and traded him, and he DID have one, and I'm like "Alright. big deal, he's a merchanter, so he obviously can't level skills." I bought it, and I was like "THAT JACK*** B**** RIPPED ME OFF 75K." Before you go "hah u newb", remember, I'm starting from nothing and working my way back up to 3 mil.

 

 

 

If you merchant- why? You're doing nothing but sitting there, wasting five bucks a month to say "ya i sell u this item rly high then buy another one." I've made 0 GP by merchanting, so I can say I'm an anti-merchant. It's stupid. You're taking the easy way out, and you're gonna be limited to wearing rares. I've played since 2002, and I've made all of my money by killing, gathering, or doing whatever I have to do.

 

 

 

Merchanters score a major miss on the point of the game. RuneScape isn't about money. It's about skill - of which, Merchanters have none, may I point out. They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

 

 

 

Are you by any chance racist? -.-

[Bac_Talan]

I have made 10-15m from merchanting. I don't rip people off, I just buy at the low end of the current price and sell at the high end. It's a completely honest way of money-making, and I don't see why people hate us merchants so much. :(

 

 

 

Seriously... Calm down.

 

 

 

 

Merchanters score a major miss on the point of the game. RuneScape isn't about money. It's about skill - of which, Merchanters have none, may I point out. They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

 

 

 

......Right. 1246 total and 6.2m xp is nothing, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quit it with your stereotypes. You're just trying to get attention.

[Gold_Tiger10]

I don't purposely sit there and spam "buying all shards 800k each" and then try to sell them for 1m each.

 

I hate those sort of merchants, buying any item in the game but always for a ridiculously low price.

[bobbaldrick]

pretty much all of you missed the actual point of the rant, which is what a waste of time and money to merchant. you pay your $5 a month to hang around and autotype to make money and nothing else. The problem is the money isnt real.

 

 

 

I cannot stand merchanting, considering that the majority of merchants just try to rip everyone off (not the minority.)

 

 

 

But if you guys wanna waste $5 a month to sit around W2 to make a few millions which you cannot do anything with its your loss. I prefer to actually participate in a good way in the game rather than be a vulture and live off other peoples misfortunes.

[Peronix]

Not all merchants stand in W2 and autotype :roll:

 

 

 

The smart ones do other things like RCing/alching/ect while they wait for buyers/sellers on the forums.

[limpbizkit]

Not all merchants stand in W2 and autotype :roll:

 

 

 

The smart ones do other things like RCing/alching/ect while they wait for buyers/sellers on the forums.

 

 

 

:roll:

[Solidus_77]

pretty much all of you missed the actual point of the rant, which is what a waste of time and money to merchant. you pay your $5 a month to hang around and autotype to make money and nothing else. The problem is the money isnt real.

 

 

 

Looks like you are also self-centered which makes you no better than the thread author. You have no right telling people what is fun and what isn't, it's their choice. If, for them, it's fun to make lots of money and have a vast collection of lots of items, then they are perfectly entitled to do so and if you say "you're wasting your time" you're just trying to force your opinions onto someone else.

 

 

 

Also, don't assume that they use autotypers all the time. That's just a claim that you can't prove.

 

 

 

I cannot stand merchanting, considering that the majority of merchants just try to rip everyone off (not the minority.)

 

 

 

And that's just a biased assumption that isn't even true. As I stated before (and obviously what you didn't even bother looking at), merchants provide the service of convenience. They will buy things quickly but for a more unfavorable price. For people who do not want to spend hours on forums this is a perfect solution. The misconception of merchants "ripping off" people is born from two different scenarios:

 

 

 

First situation, where a person decides to buy/sell quickly. Player makes a lot of 1 random good and goes to sell on forums. Merchant comes up, says he buys all for a low price. Hours later, the merchant sells the good for a higher price and makes a profit. At this point people assume that the player could have found the person selling at a higher price and then blame merchant for so called "ripping him off" but that's not the case at all. Those people forget that the merchant had to spend HOURS on the forum looking for a good price and therefore he was more efficient at selling the good than the player (If the player was efficient at selling, he wouldn't have sold for a low price). The merchant gets money and the player saves heaps of time. NOBODY has lost, the player knew what price he was paying and this is exactly as if the player had payed the merchant to sell his goods for him. Time is money, the player was short on time and chose to spend money to save time.

 

 

 

Second situation when the player doesn't know the price of the item. Player wants to buy, say torag's chest, and a merchant offers a price. The player accepts the price and later finds out that the price was lower. Of course, everyone quickly blames the merchant for "ripping off" the player when they should be blaming the player's ignorance. In game, it is your own responsability to check the prices of items. If you look at the first deal and assume that price to be the right one, you have nobody to blame but yourself if it turns out the price was higher/lower. In this scenario, if the ignorant player had taken more time to look for the right price, he would have noticed the price was a bit above average however he chose to save the time of looking and went ahead to buy the items. Furthermore, if the person was to buy the item somewhere on forums, he would have to spend time looking for a deal while the merchant is a fast option. Knowledge and information is important, and if you choose to disregard them (in other words if you choose not to check the prices of items), it's entirely your fault.

 

 

 

But if you guys wanna waste $5 a month to sit around W2 to make a few millions which you cannot do anything with its your loss.

 

 

 

That's your opinion, another would be "if you guys wanna waste $5 a month sitting around in one area and kill monsters over and over again it's your loss". You're even assuming that they buy things that they cannot do anything with. What about buying goods for the sake of showing off? Merchants could even invest in an expensive skill after they are done.

 

 

 

I prefer to actually participate in a good way in the game rather than be a vulture and live off other peoples misfortunes.

 

 

 

Like I said before, the people's "misfortunes" are a result of either their own lack of time, or their own lack of information. In both those cases it is the player's responsibility and not the merchant's.

[drapit]

Another merchanter rant. If you're a merchanter, you'd probably best quit the game.

 

 

 

So I'm trying to buy my Torag's chest, and up comes a level 3, saying "I'll sell you it." I laughed and traded him, and he DID have one, and I'm like "Alright. big deal, he's a merchanter, so he obviously can't level skills." I bought it, and I was like "THAT JACK*** B**** RIPPED ME OFF 75K." Before you go "hah u newb", remember, I'm starting from nothing and working my way back up to 3 mil.

 

 

 

If you merchant- why? You're doing nothing but sitting there, wasting five bucks a month to say "ya i sell u this item rly high then buy another one." I've made 0 GP by merchanting, so I can say I'm an anti-merchant. It's stupid. You're taking the easy way out, and you're gonna be limited to wearing rares. I've played since 2002, and I've made all of my money by killing, gathering, or doing whatever I have to do.

 

 

 

Merchanters score a major miss on the point of the game. RuneScape isn't about money. It's about skill - of which, Merchanters have none, may I point out. They make me sick of how pathetic they are.

 

 

 

Merchanting takes skill. A rich merchant does his homework. He surveys the financial situation and assesses it. Merchanting is not just about clicking, like all skills do. It's about knowing where to get a discount on an item, where is the item likely to raise in price. There is even a risk of losing your money in a bad investment.

 

 

 

I don't like merchanting, nor do i hate it. It's a perfect way of earning money. Honestly, I'd rather merchants than those pesky bots you see surrounding the yew trees everyday. If not for merchants, who'd bring you sharks when you're dying in edgeville? Who'd get your items in bulk?

 

 

 

By the way, there is not a thing as 'merchanters' its merchants.

 

 

 

Cheers.

[bubbyjoe2]

I had a thread a while ago that talked about how a few skillers tried to get that "bot" appearance to get others punished for reporting them, thinking they were a real bot.

 

 

 

Now, I'm seeing all of these "no skill merchanter" accounts that also try to copy what a bot looks like. And, they (Most likely get from their main) sell thousands of yew logs, autotyping, "Sell 30k yews 310 ea!!!!@@@@@@"

 

To even beef up the macroer image more.

 

 

 

In my opinion, I think that merchanting is a useful way of making money, but the "No Skill Merchanters" need to go. They can marchant just as effectively on their main account.

[hybrid2hell]

Good lord. Let people play the game the way they want to play the game! How does it affect you if they sit there and merchant all day. The only thing i can think of is that you are jealous because they have millions upon millions of gold pieces, while you are still working on getting 100k.

[Peronix]

Not all merchants stand in W2 and autotype :roll:

 

 

 

The smart ones do other things like RCing/alching/ect while they wait for buyers/sellers on the forums.

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

Nice spam.

 

 

 

Did you do that because it was me that said it or because what I said? Elaborate.

 

 

 

And for the love of god stick to arguments. Insults do nothing but prove you're an idiot.