Zombie Plans-Revised

[Riku3220]

Zombies can't swim, but they can walk under water. If they're particularly bloated, they might float. Supposedly, in the world war z book, after most of the zombies are killed, there are still 30 million or so walking the bottom of the oceans, being dragged by currents, and occasionally drifting on to shore. But we might face 1 or 2 zombies in that way in like 15 years on an island. So unless we're caught unprepared, it's no issue.

 

 

 

We'll be long dead before any find us. Imagine wandering all of earth only on foot, searching for a tiny island? Not exactly quick. Only issue is one washes up during night when we're asleep and infects us all.

 

The chances would be low, but it's still a risk. So we would want to be prepared. I would be more worried about a ship with a crewmember that had been bitten finding us. Or pirates. Like, modern pirates.

 

Stay away from Somali then :

[Wisp]

Heh. It would still be a risk.

[Guest]

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[indy500fan]

I already explained why slow Romero zombies would not affect 99% of the human population, so planning for them is redundant.

 

 

 

I just wanted to point out that most of the population of the world lives next to the ocean/major rivers: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ensity.png so you might want to take that into consideration.

 

The type of zombie we're planning for isn't exactly the living dead. It's a more realistic (If possible) version. It's a virus. anyone who's bitten becomes a zombie in about a day. killing the brain is the only way to stop them. The military is not trained to aim for the head, they are taught to aim for the center of mass. Even snipers are. By the time everyone realized the way to kill them was the head, they would have already killed and re-animated millions. Imagine one zombie, in the middle of new york, people would just take him for a drunk or something. He would attack people, bite them. They would be freaked out, but nothing more, if they escaped him. Police might try to detain him, and end up being bitten. If they shoot him, they probably won't aim for the head. they will aim to disable, or for the chest. Let's say a lucky shot hits his head, and he dies. Now there are dozens of people who have been bitten, in new york city. The next day, they would all be zombies, and this would repeat. Soon their numbers would be in the thousands, and a state of emergency would be called. By this time, it probably would not be realized that a headshot is the only way. People would just stay in their homes, or try to escape the city. those trying to escape would be stuck in the mass of traffic, only to be consumed by the zombies. Withing a week most of the population of the city would be infected.

 

And let's say on the first day, a businessman, rushing to the airport is bitten. He is disturbed, but he can't miss his flight. He arrives in, lets say, london, the next day, checks into his hotel, and reanimates the next morning. It starts in london. London would be even worse due to the lack of firearms.

 

How this would not affect 99% of the population is beyond me.

 

 

 

If you see someone shuffling towards you at a slow pace who looks dead (dead people don't look like they do in the movies, you can tell easily) most people are not going to wait around for them to grab an arm and bite, especially when walking at a normal pace will out distance them. Lets look at a situation in a NYC hospital morgue: all the dead reanimate a mortician or two might get caught off guard and die, one or two more get bitten and get away. Police get called up, notice that a room full of dead people are now not dead. I think you are assuming now that zombies are a cult following thing, and while that is kind of true most people know the shoot them in the head thing. Obviously the police wouldn't shoot at the head first, but they will realize it after the zombies don't stop coming when pumped full of lead. So lets say a few of them get bit to die later, and a few die now. By this time the CDC will have been getting reports from all over the country and will have begun mandatory quarantines on all those who got bit. They won't say zombie virus, but there is obviously something going on. Each of those initial zombies could kill 120 people and that would be only 1% of the population affected. This scenario in a NYC morgue would probably have 20 dead bodies (guessing) so they could ultimately kill 2400 people and be at 1%.

 

 

 

You have to remember that most people will avoid a confrontation, if somebody appears to be coming towards them they won't be waiting around. Especially if he looks dead, which they will.

[Riku3220]

When you're thinking of a zombie do you think rotten flesh with bones/guts showing? Because if a random guy in NYC turned into a zombie one morning after shaving and having a shower nobody is going to think he's dead.

[Guest]

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[indy500fan]

When you're thinking of a zombie do you think rotten flesh with bones/guts showing? Because if a random guy in NYC turned into a zombie one morning after shaving and having a shower nobody is going to think he's dead.

 

 

 

The point is that the vast majority of the people who get bitten will be bitten at the hospital around the morgue area. When a previously dead human being bites you, you aren't going to go home and sleep it off. You will be required to seek medical attention (especially if it is a police matter). By the time you turn into a zombie, reports from all over the country of this happening would cause the CDC to quarantine those that were bitten. The vast majority of people infected will be the people that deal with dead bodies. The only zombies that make it to the street will be the dead who haven't been found yet, like a homeless person in a back alley.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if you guys are grasping the numbers, for every dead person in the world right now there are 12,000 live people. That's an average in favour of zombies. And that's world average also, so third world countries where people die earlier will be averaging with first world countries who have less dead. Also keep in mind that most who die are old and frail, so the zombie will be frail. A good deal of old people no longer have teeth either. Also some of those dead are babies and children.

 

 

 

We just like planning for zombies

 

 

 

I can see the fun in it, which is why I gave some more information (most of the population of the world lives next to water) to help you guys out. There are many viral outbreak situations that could be "apocalyptic". Just slow Romero zombies aren't one of them. And I was planning for a sudden world wide all dead come back to life situation, if it is just a viral situation in that a small group of dead are infected then I don't see it spreading at all.

[Wisp]

Your missing the point. The zombie survival guide type zombies aren't actually dead

 

Here's what happens. Your bitten. 12 hours in, your feverish, have a headache, and feel like crap in general. 6 hours later or less, you're in a coma. 23 hours in, all signs of being alive have ceased. Although you're not technically dead, a paramedic would think you were. an hour later, your a zombie. If I was bit by some random person on the street, i would think "Holy [cabbage]" But I probably would assume it was some drunk or druggie.

 

As for quarantines, how the hell do you know who's bitten? In times of normal quarantine, people often lie, they are afraid to be taken away from their families. Do you expect that ever person in the country is literally stripped own and checked for bites?

 

 

 

Let's say it starts in a rural town. There are like two police officers. One night, a zombie wanders out of the woods, who knows from where. He bites someone in their sleep. The next day, there are two zombies. People go about their normal lives, unaware that they were in danger. Maybe one of the zombie corners someone in an alley. That person calls the police, the police show up, they find a insane person feasting on a seemingly dead body. They unload a magazine into it, into it's chest like they had been trained. The zombie gets up, and starts shambling towards them. They've never seen anything like this, they just shot someone 12 times, and they didn't even seem to notice. The zombie bites the cop, who manages to free himself, and runs away. They call for backup, and the other police officer comes. By the time they get back to the where the zombie was, it would be gone. The zombie has probably infected other people by now, too. in 24 hours the police officer will become a zombie, infect his whole family, most likely, and continue through the town. in a few days, the whole town is infected. The zombies spread into the wilderness around the town, and a few weeks later, they shamble into random towns. Perhaps the people in the other town heard about a series of strange murders, where the victims were literally consumed. But they won't expect it to happen to them. More towns will be infected, and it will continue to spread.

 

 

 

Lets say the infection starts in a third world country. There will be no police response, depending on the area, and the police would likely be badly trained, and using inferior weapons. It would spread at an even faster rate through a country like this, where there was little military response.

 

 

 

Or, what happens if it starts in the states, or england, during a time of strife. Maybe there's a civil war happening, maybe we've just been bombed. In any case, the infection would not be able to be controlled.

[mmmcannibalism]

Were planning for an outbreak that has gotten out of control through whatever means. If the cdc handles it then the need for a plan is null but at least we were ready. Something like infection spreading through an aquifer that infects two medium sized metropolitan areas, whos citizens then wander into various small villages through nearby hills could cause an outbreak that would be impossible to contain.

[indy500fan]

Your missing the point. The zombie survival guide type zombies aren't actually dead

 

Here's what happens. Your bitten. 12 hours in, your feverish, have a headache, and feel like crap in general. 6 hours later or less, you're in a coma. 23 hours in, all signs of being alive have ceased. Although you're not technically dead, a paramedic would think you were. an hour later, your a zombie. If I was bit by some random person on the street, i would think "Holy [cabbage]" But I probably would assume it was some drunk or druggie.

 

As for quarantines, how the hell do you know who's bitten? In times of normal quarantine, people often lie, they are afraid to be taken away from their families. Do you expect that ever person in the country is literally stripped own and checked for bites?

 

 

 

Let's say it starts in a rural town. There are like two police officers. One night, a zombie wanders out of the woods, who knows from where. He bites someone in their sleep. The next day, there are two zombies. People go about their normal lives, unaware that they were in danger. Maybe one of the zombie corners someone in an alley. That person calls the police, the police show up, they find a insane person feasting on a seemingly dead body. They unload a magazine into it, into it's chest like they had been trained. The zombie gets up, and starts shambling towards them. They've never seen anything like this, they just shot someone 12 times, and they didn't even seem to notice. The zombie bites the cop, who manages to free himself, and runs away. They call for backup, and the other police officer comes. By the time they get back to the where the zombie was, it would be gone. The zombie has probably infected other people by now, too. in 24 hours the police officer will become a zombie, infect his whole family, most likely, and continue through the town. in a few days, the whole town is infected. The zombies spread into the wilderness around the town, and a few weeks later, they shamble into random towns. Perhaps the people in the other town heard about a series of strange murders, where the victims were literally consumed. But they won't expect it to happen to them. More towns will be infected, and it will continue to spread.

 

 

 

Lets say the infection starts in a third world country. There will be no police response, depending on the area, and the police would likely be badly trained, and using inferior weapons. It would spread at an even faster rate through a country like this, where there was little military response.

 

 

 

Or, what happens if it starts in the states, or england, during a time of strife. Maybe there's a civil war happening, maybe we've just been bombed. In any case, the infection would not be able to be controlled.

 

 

 

Calling them dead or not makes no difference, if they don't have a heartbeat and aren't breathing they are dead.

 

 

 

Also if a police man pumps a whole clip into a zombie, and it doesn't fall down, they aren't going to just stand there, wait for it to come and bite them. We are talking slow zombies, and not smart either. Even if the zombies are slightly stronger due to not holding back or anything a trained policeman will be able to take one down easily. If the number of zombies outnumbers the number of policemen the police won't try to take them down, they will call for backup and wait.

 

 

 

Putting it in a rural situation is even easier, there is ton of open space around so it will take a slow moving zombie forever to get anywhere. If you see someone walking back in your woods you go inside, get your gun and call the police. They won't be able to ever get anyone in their sleep unless they leave doors open at night, which no one does. And if someone does get bit by a zombie, they will go to the hospital. Obviously after the CDC imposes a quarantine some won't go because they are worried about staying alive, but by that time the national guards would have been deployed and helping the police mop up the last of the mess, if it ever made it that far. Some crazy guy bites you, maybe you don't go to the hospital right away but like you said 12 hours in you are feeling really sick, unless you are an idiot you will go to a doctor.

[Wisp]

What I mean was half your argument was the living outnumber the dead 12-1, and that's irrelevant. The zombie is going to keep advancing towards the police officer, who, in all likelihood, only has one or two spare clips of ammunition. In fact, some cops don't even carry guns. The zombies aren't going to exactly wait politely for the police's back up to arrive either, and it's not like if a group of 100 people got infected they would only be coming from one direction. They would surround the people, and eventually push them against a wall. And again, soldiers, police, snipers, are trained to aim for the chest. after years of training, it's not as simple as just telling them to aim for the head. Plus, let's say your a standard police officer. You just fired 12 bullets into a person who didn't even seem to notice. Your going to be scared as all hell, your hand will shake, and you probably wouldn't even be able to shoot it in the head even if you knew to.

 

After people realize that bites lead to becoming a zombie, people who are bitten aren't going to want to turn themselves in if they realize they'll just be killed. They might be hopeful a cure would be found, and just stay in their houses.

 

As doors protecting someone, what about windows. I could get into just about anyone's house by brute force if i needed, and zombies would.

 

The army isn't going to magically know that a headshot kills them.

 

 

 

5 zombies in nyc could infect hundreds or more people in a day, without anyone knowing what was happening. (Interestingly enough, new yorkers are injured by other new yorkers biting them something like 9000 times a year. I don't remember the actual number). The police probably aren't going to take action about calls of people biting people, at first at least. By the time people realize there's a problem there could be thousands of zombies, which would just infect more and more people, even if they were constantly being killed.

[indy500fan]

What I mean was half your argument was the living outnumber the dead 12-1, and that's irrelevant. The zombie is going to keep advancing towards the police officer, who, in all likelihood, only has one or two spare clips of ammunition. In fact, some cops don't even carry guns. The zombies aren't going to exactly wait politely for the police's back up to arrive either, and it's not like if a group of 100 people got infected they would only be coming from one direction. They would surround the people, and eventually push them against a wall. And again, soldiers, police, snipers, are trained to aim for the chest. after years of training, it's not as simple as just telling them to aim for the head. Plus, let's say your a standard police officer. You just fired 12 bullets into a person who didn't even seem to notice. Your going to be scared as all hell, your hand will shake, and you probably wouldn't even be able to shoot it in the head even if you knew to.

 

After people realize that bites lead to becoming a zombie, people who are bitten aren't going to want to turn themselves in if they realize they'll just be killed. They might be hopeful a cure would be found, and just stay in their houses.

 

As doors protecting someone, what about windows. I could get into just about anyone's house by brute force if i needed, and zombies would.

 

The army isn't going to magically know that a headshot kills them.

 

 

 

5 zombies in nyc could infect hundreds or more people in a day, without anyone knowing what was happening. (Interestingly enough, new yorkers are injured by other new yorkers biting them something like 9000 times a year. I don't remember the actual number). The police probably aren't going to take action about calls of people biting people, at first at least. By the time people realize there's a problem there could be thousands of zombies, which would just infect more and more people, even if they were constantly being killed.

 

 

 

The living outnumber the dead 12,000 to 1, not 12 to 1. And that's perfectly relevant in the normal Romero zombie case in which all the dead people come alive at once all around the world. That's worst possible scenario for slow moving zombies. If it starts localized it will be over before it starts. There would never be enough to overwhelm anyone. No one is just going to stand there and wait for a zombie to bite them. They wouldn't ever get anyone in a house, if by some chance they happened to break a window open they would still have to fall inside and get back up, and all that sound from glass shattering and a body falling through a window would probably wake everyone up. Then if they are all on the second floor with doors closed the zombies would have to break through that door also. They aren't going to be quiet walking through the house either. Then if by some miracle they do infect a person in the house, they have to get back out which would also take forever.

[Riku3220]

What I mean was half your argument was the living outnumber the dead 12-1, and that's irrelevant. The zombie is going to keep advancing towards the police officer, who, in all likelihood, only has one or two spare clips of ammunition. In fact, some cops don't even carry guns. The zombies aren't going to exactly wait politely for the police's back up to arrive either, and it's not like if a group of 100 people got infected they would only be coming from one direction. They would surround the people, and eventually push them against a wall. And again, soldiers, police, snipers, are trained to aim for the chest. after years of training, it's not as simple as just telling them to aim for the head. Plus, let's say your a standard police officer. You just fired 12 bullets into a person who didn't even seem to notice. Your going to be scared as all hell, your hand will shake, and you probably wouldn't even be able to shoot it in the head even if you knew to.

 

After people realize that bites lead to becoming a zombie, people who are bitten aren't going to want to turn themselves in if they realize they'll just be killed. They might be hopeful a cure would be found, and just stay in their houses.

 

As doors protecting someone, what about windows. I could get into just about anyone's house by brute force if i needed, and zombies would.

 

The army isn't going to magically know that a headshot kills them.

 

 

 

5 zombies in nyc could infect hundreds or more people in a day, without anyone knowing what was happening. (Interestingly enough, new yorkers are injured by other new yorkers biting them something like 9000 times a year. I don't remember the actual number). The police probably aren't going to take action about calls of people biting people, at first at least. By the time people realize there's a problem there could be thousands of zombies, which would just infect more and more people, even if they were constantly being killed.

 

 

 

The living outnumber the dead 12,000 to 1, not 12 to 1. And that's perfectly relevant in the normal Romero zombie case in which all the dead people come alive at once all around the world. That's worst possible scenario for slow moving zombies. If it starts localized it will be over before it starts. There would never be enough to overwhelm anyone. No one is just going to stand there and wait for a zombie to bite them. They wouldn't ever get anyone in a house, if by some chance they happened to break a window open they would still have to fall inside and get back up, and all that sound from glass shattering and a body falling through a window would probably wake everyone up. Then if they are all on the second floor with doors closed the zombies would have to break through that door also. They aren't going to be quiet walking through the house either. Then if by some miracle they do infect a person in the house, they have to get back out which would also take forever.

 

Ok then how about this.

 

 

 

Say the zombie infection starts off from a mutated rabies virus. A child could be playing with the family dog and the dog bites the child. The next day the child isn't feeling well so the parents keep him home from school. By the time the parents come back from work he should be in the coma phase and the parents will assume he's sleeping. When the child wakes up if the dog hasn't already bitten the parents the zombie child surely will. After the parents go to sleep the child zombie can walk off into the night. Seeing a harmless child walking the streets at night somebody is going to notice and and walk up to him. They become bitten. They call the police to report the missing child. Police become bitten. They take the kid to the station. More policemen become bitten.

 

 

 

After that it can only go downhill.

[Furah]

On the talk of chainmail, you can buy some from ThinkGeek, they sell chainmail bodies, steel gauntlents and gladiator helmets.

[BlackDawn]

Holy crap, you guys have done well in the preperations since I logged off. Keep it up and we'll be prepared for any zombie invasion once it happens.

[dragoonson]

How do you know you're immune to my virus?

[indy500fan]

Ok then how about this.

 

 

 

Say the zombie infection starts off from a mutated rabies virus. A child could be playing with the family dog and the dog bites the child. The next day the child isn't feeling well so the parents keep him home from school. By the time the parents come back from work he should be in the coma phase and the parents will assume he's sleeping. When the child wakes up if the dog hasn't already bitten the parents the zombie child surely will. After the parents go to sleep the child zombie can walk off into the night. Seeing a harmless child walking the streets at night somebody is going to notice and and walk up to him. They become bitten. They call the police to report the missing child. Police become bitten. They take the kid to the station. More policemen become bitten.

 

 

 

After that it can only go downhill.

 

 

 

You are assuming that policemen are going to let themselves become bitten, and that no one in that situation ever goes to a hospital, when everyone knows that after getting bit by a dog you have to go to the doctor for a rabbies shot. The first thing the doctors do is figure out what kind of rabbies you have, and they would realize it's not normal once the child goes into coma.

[Seraphi]

Just for the record, is the position of katana wielding lunatic already taken?

[BlackDawn]

Gun wielding lunatic, and yes.

[BlackDawn]

:shock: How did we forget about hot air balloons? Pretty interesting idea there rocco, hot air balloons may be easier to find then those giant planes too.

[Kiriyama]

Hot Air Balloons are harder to control. We'd need alot of advanced gear, and gas.

 

 

 

Overall, I don't see Hot Air Balloons working that well.

[BlackDawn]

Random thought, why not do a fallout? Dig a massive hole and stuff everyone inside along with supplies, then build a giant metal door to keep the zombies out. This plan is so much win you couldn't possibly argue! (Or you can, whatever).

 

 

 

:twss:

[Kiriyama]

Mainly because we'd need to start years in advance. Get a [cabbage] load of technology to make us able to live down there, and have people able to maintain them.

 

 

 

And wheres the fun hiding underground when there's zombie scum to obliterate?

[BlackDawn]

Good point, let's all just walk around on stilts with [bleep]es attached then! :twss:

 

 

 

No wait, that plan fails too..

 

 

 

My ideas aren't the best to be honest. All I want to do is survive, shoot some zombies, and have a laugh in the process.

[BlackDawn]

Oh my god! I've had an idea! What if Lenin climbs into his giant robot and saves us all from the zombies? We could start a community inside that bot.