First of all, this isn't a rant, this is a mature discussion on the decisions of jagex offices, but not another one of those "omfg st0p maekin deas bad updaet freds".

 

 

 

If an employee from jagex is viewing this, please read this over carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

With the recent updates, many players are obviously ranting and rioting. But does anyone care to look at the other side? I don't suppose with all Jagex's years of loyalty to us they would just ruin the game in 3 months. Perhaps this is just a phase, or jagex is testing out the new giant game system they released several months ago. Perhaps jagex isn't telling us something. What if they went under new management? What if Andrew hired a professional game company to make their games now? This whole thing seems too low for even jagex to go. I can't believe this is happening.

 

 

 

Jagex mods, on behalf of alot of sensible-minded people, I (we) demand you tell us why you're releasing these crappy updates and ruining the game as we know it. You know why? You're not only getting rid of RWT's, you're also getting rid of the people who pay your paycheck, the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

i've said it before and this won't be the last time,

 

only they really know what they're doing.

 

too many players think they have every motive figured out.

 

 

 

the best option is to wait and see where it goes. who knows, really? by the end of it we may just have a better runescape community.

First of all, I stopped playing runescape half a year ago, still not sure if it will be for good, but I still look at the updates from time to time, and lately, doing so became quite interesting. Let's get on with it now.

 

 

 

I have to agree with a_local_guy. For now, people should try to relax and see where this goes. And no, due to the nearly unlimited supply of variables, no one can predict what will happen.

 

 

 

I know it must be hard dealing with these many changes at once, but if you glance at the new development diary, they would only have been really effective if they were implemented in quick succession. There you can also read just why Jagex did this (really not just to bug everyone). Even though you should always be a little sceptical, for it is normal that Jagex is a little subjective and might blow things a little out of proportion to add to their defense in this situation, it is obvious this has not been taken lightly, and was deemed absolutely neccesary.

 

 

 

I have seen so many posts on so many forums that say: Jagex, you COULD do better, followed by some illogical or just plain idiotic idea, if followed at all. I have yet to see a decent alternative.

 

 

 

For those that after reading this post still think: "Noob, shut up, idiots @Jagex ruined it big time, me and everyone I know is quittting!!!", stop looking at rs or related forums, get yourself to calm down, and maybe even cancel membership and let it sink down for a few months. Maybe the sheer shock will have dispersed, leaving you able to read the updates again, in a more objective way this time.

 

 

 

Well, thats all I had to see, a good day to you all , and try not to let it get to you, that's useless anyway.

As I was sifting through the rants forum, I found no good thread to make an educated post there since the 13 year olds don't like to read long replies. Since this is the debate forum I will just leave my opinion on the matter and make my exit, with hopes of someone after me having something intellegent and worth-while to say.

 

 

 

With that out of the way here it goes.

 

 

 

I have been through many updates. Various skills, NPC's and mini-games. I've been playing for 3 years as of now.. With the addition of the newest updates centering around RWT, I feel as though Jagex has indeed been losing sight of a large quantity of their members(not just P2P, but F2P too) Jagex is so focused on RWT'ers and "bad seeds" that they have lost notice of the amount of legitimate players in the game.

 

 

 

When you think about it I would have to say that possibly 30-40% of the RS population was bots, scammers, RWT'ers etc etc, just all around bad people. That is a high amount, but what is to come of the 60-70% of hard working honest players who found themselves enjoying the game on a daily basis? This rash of recent updates has all but disreguarded legit players from the game, and in-fact drove many to move on. It is sad that the miniority of people can and have ruined the game for the majority of players.

 

 

 

Until viewing the rants section I have a set view on the 4 pages of updates introduced today and slowly developed my own personal bias. I have seen many thought out rants and a vast amount of stupid people rants, yes you all know the ones no need to examplify them here. The people who really have opened my eyes, however, were the ones who actually had little to no quarrels with the news of these updates. I now can see how and where the game is heading and after reading both sides of the subject I have made my decision.

 

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The Duel arena, now note I was far from a duelist and I didn't mind the update. 3k Max stake per 15 mins, meh no bother to me, but it affected hundreds if not thousands of other players, which is really not right to be quite honest. I realize you can't please all of the people all of the time but still.

 

 

 

"PK'ing is dead" is the common thing stated now. I was never one for pking, maybe a bit of "out of the ordinary" (for myself) ddsing at mage bank for a change of scenery and to break the boredom. With the new PK'ing update I find that I am not really discouraged about it. I mean Yay, now I can't get killed by a pker when RC'ing nats!! But even in that aspect, I enjoyed downing a whole sara brew while in wild, and conversing with my assailent as I walked out of the wild. Now I can no longer do this, which added a "break" to runecrafting via the abyss. Meh, I will get over it.

 

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However when I read about the 3k trade limit "law" (effective in January for most) I was beside myself. The first thng that popped into my head was "What the hell is with Jagex and the number 3,000?" Apparently if you trade for things more than 3k above the alloted value you are "cheating"...

 

 

 

A cheater you say?!?! Well I have been cheating for my whole 3 year runescape "career" and all that time I thought I was just a "bargin hunter". Gosh darnit, well Jagex better hand me some black marks or possibly even BAN me for all the "cheating" I have done.

 

 

 

You can wave good-bye to the forums, as the new trading system gets set in, there will be no more cheaper price on the forums than GE.

 

 

 

Come on, in all honesty I loved being able to see a price and post on the forums that I was buying a few gp below that price. With the Grand Exchange(and I do LOVE the GE update) there was none of that posting lower in high amounts. I think instead of the 3k "law" Jagex should look at what they have already done and take a "clip from the past" and implement a 5% "law" they had previously done with GE for trades. They could even make the trading interface more "GE'ish" and have a small information spot or total keeper that informs you of the current price of the item (at GE) and 5% + or - that as well as the total cost of the items wanted. That would be a valid way to change the trades without getting drastic, wouldn't it?

 

 

 

Also, I saw a post about buying a party hat will be impossible now unless it is dead on with the GE median price. Well the death of merchanting will come this January from the 3k "law", well at least rare merchanting. With that said I don't mind if merchanting dies. I use to merchant, it was a great way to get money but its not the only way and I realize that so I would not be bothered of merching died out. But if I wanted to buy a mask or santa or phat even, I have to be exact with the GE now. I cannot offer that 100k less (since there is always someone willing to sell for lower than other) and save myself 100k. As a matter of fact you know what that is?!?! Bargain hunting!! Oh dear, over 3k, I meant cheating!!! :roll: I just don't see 3,000 gp as a viable trade restriction it just isn't enough. The cost of "living" in RS has grown so exponentially that 3,000 gp isn't even alot to someone fresh off tutorial island. I can remember the joy and happyness I had when I was making 20k now people can't find that same joy until they net 1 million or even 3 million which is astonishing.

 

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When its all said and done, 3,000 gp isn't enough and thats the only flaw I see in the new trading system. I think the 5% like GE would be reasonable.

 

 

 

Jagex is trying to wipe out cheating indefinatly but in doing so are losing valuable customers, or at least we hope we are valued. They just need to face the fact that cheating and cheaters happen. There is no removing the two. Every game has at least one person cheating on it. The best option is to try to lessen it as much as possible without losing your fanbase and move on trying to increase that fanbase.

 

 

 

When you think about it, did RWT honestly effect anyone other than the person spending their real money on a video game?? I say it is their money they worked for it, they can spend on whatever they damn well please. I often think, did that guy buying a GS for 50 of his hard earned dollars really affect my playing of this game?? No not at all. Maybe he PK'ed me with it, darn, but had he not of been there with a GS, there would of been someone else there anyway. It was inevitable.

 

 

 

(I don't use the words "In my opinion" because obviously this IS indeed my opinion... makes sense doesn't it, just something for others to know as they post their opinions.)

Ok, I can understand what you're saying, but there's are two things in your post that bother me.

 

 

 

First of all, the game may be (I don't say "is") ruined for you, but overall, the game is not yet ruined, just drastically changed. Runescape will only be ruined when an update is so menacing it forces, lets say, 75% of the members cancel their subscription. There are still enough ppl left that while obviously affected by the updates, don't see a reason to just quit right away. Some of those just wait for a month to see what comes of it (or till summoning comes), others decided for themselves they don't really mind the changes to a great extent.

 

 

 

Secondly, you estimate that about 30-40% of the rs population consists of bad people, many of which scammers and bots, but just a little later on you say rwt didn't affect you. There are two options here:

 

1) You really were one of the lucky people that weren't affected

 

2) You fail to see the link between RWT and botting/scamming

 

 

 

I myself am part of 1), because I relied on my own skills+high alch for most of my money (ruling out the bot-inflated prices of resources/products), and my skills were relatively high before bots started to seriously interfere with the training of some of them.

 

 

 

However, I think it's safe to say that at least a quarter to half of those 30-40% you mentioned, acted to sell the money they made out of their cheating, for real $. So if unless you were part of 1) as well, but just didn't realise it, you too were affected by RWT, simply not directly.

 

The one that sold the GS for the rwt'ers hard earned dollars, most likely didn't pick flax to be able to afford that sword himself, nor did those that just sell rs gold.

 

 

 

P.S. This is nothing personal, but your post allowed me to express some of my opinions without having to rely on readers imagination too much.

Be punctual, people.

 

 

 

I think Jagex is doing the right thing, largely. The new gravestone idea should be very useful. However...the new trading system is ticking me off. It would have been useful, only the fact that a 3k slack isn't enough. Should have been at least 20k. We merchents of the Golden East are being slighted horribly, since many of our numbers are focusing on making upwards 10-20k on each trade. 3k does not a profit make.

3k? More like a percentage. I'm surprised how people don't have that idea.

Terrible, TERRIBLE update.

 

 

 

This will probably get the RWT problem solved, but at what cost? I cannot believe this. Thousands of people plan on quitting. I myself will go f2p if the 3k wealth limit is imposed. This is practically a tyrannical rule over the market.

It's just limiting Free trade. It's unconstitutional, as a matter of fact. We should take this to the supreme court. (Sorta joking. SORTA. :roll: )

 

 

 

Let's just hope that Jagex will greatly increase the trade embargo percentile or money amount, because too many are being hurt.

I am crushed that wildy is for now, gone. But, RS is still here, but its turning to a new direction. Anyway, I blame all the bots and rwt out there because if they weren't there, we'd have our precious wildy and not get ganged up by a 4 lvl 100's with 99 range at bounty hunter.

How will this change runescape?

 

 

 

1) No more PKing, obviously.

 

 

 

2) Trading will be limited, and because of the GE, eventually degraded to a means of giving away tinderboxes.

 

 

 

3) Nobody will have to worry about losing their stuff unless they want to.

 

 

 

 

 

Essentially, any element of danger is eliminated.

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is transitioning, and screwing over the game in the process. At least when they made RS2, they kept RSC around for those who liked it. I would have liked a RS3, at least I could have stuck to my old game for awhile.

Again, the game might be screwed for some (relatively of course, even just 1 % of 5 million players is already 50000 ppl), but claiming the game is now totally broken lacks objectivity.

 

 

 

And don't get this wrong, I too liked to help ppl out (sometimes with items that were more than 3k), and if I would start playing again I would probably think back about the time I could trade freely often.

 

 

 

But now Jagex has gotten rid of most of the rwt and a massive amount of bots (I'm sure even the die-hard haters have to agree on that), they can have more people working on improving the game, and the new content (maybe even the hated bounty hunting will eventually attract many players, after some decent updates).

 

 

 

And who knows, maybe after the dust has settled down, Jagex will see what can be done to increase the trade limit and restore some of the old parts of rs, without creating too much room for rwt again.

 

 

 

This happens in real life too. For example, on a school with alot of problems that might come from being too lax about rules, the staff might suddenly impose new, drastical (and maybe even ridiculous) rules to make things more strict. If they feel their approach reaches results, they might again begin to allow a few things that were forbidden for a while.

 

 

 

I don't say this WILL apply to runescape, I don't claim in any way to possess the gift of foresight, however, it's a possible scenario.

Considering these people are real entrepreneurs, they automatically know a heck of a lot more about how to run a business than you do. Don't bother trying to tell them how to run their company when you don't even know how it's structured.

First of all, this isn't a rant, this is a mature discussion on the decisions of jagex offices, but not another one of those "omfg st0p maekin deas bad updaet freds".

 

 

 

If an employee from jagex is viewing this, please read this over carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

With the recent updates, many players are obviously ranting and rioting. But does anyone care to look at the other side? I don't suppose with all Jagex's years of loyalty to us they would just ruin the game in 3 months. Perhaps this is just a phase, or jagex is testing out the new giant game system they released several months ago. Perhaps jagex isn't telling us something. What if they went under new management? What if Andrew hired a professional game company to make their games now? This whole thing seems too low for even jagex to go. I can't believe this is happening.

 

 

 

Jagex mods, on behalf of alot of sensible-minded people, I (we) demand you tell us why you're releasing these crappy updates and ruining the game as we know it. You know why? You're not only getting rid of RWT's, you're also getting rid of the people who pay your paycheck, the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Didnt the ex-vice president of paypal become vice president of JaGeX recently (about 2 months ago) and one of his main targets was to stamp out RWT. Well there you go.

 

 

 

Also i like new updates and im looking forward to single combat pking being released soon. If you dont like it then quit.

First of all, this isn't a rant, this is a mature discussion on the decisions of jagex offices, but not another one of those "omfg st0p maekin deas bad updaet freds".

 

 

 

If an employee from jagex is viewing this, please read this over carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

With the recent updates, many players are obviously ranting and rioting. But does anyone care to look at the other side? I don't suppose with all Jagex's years of loyalty to us they would just ruin the game in 3 months. Perhaps this is just a phase, or jagex is testing out the new giant game system they released several months ago. Perhaps jagex isn't telling us something. What if they went under new management? What if Andrew hired a professional game company to make their games now? This whole thing seems too low for even jagex to go. I can't believe this is happening.

 

 

 

Jagex mods, on behalf of alot of sensible-minded people, I (we) demand you tell us why you're releasing these crappy updates and ruining the game as we know it. You know why? You're not only getting rid of RWT's, you're also getting rid of the people who pay your paycheck, the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Didnt the ex-vice president of paypal become vice president of JaGeX recently (about 2 months ago) and one of his main targets was to stamp out RWT. Well there you go.

 

 

 

Also i like new updates and im looking forward to single combat pking being released soon. If you dont like it then quit.

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I've never heard anything about this. Care to give a link on where you read it?

First of all, this isn't a rant, this is a mature discussion on the decisions of jagex offices, but not another one of those "omfg st0p maekin deas bad updaet freds".

 

 

 

If an employee from jagex is viewing this, please read this over carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

With the recent updates, many players are obviously ranting and rioting. But does anyone care to look at the other side? I don't suppose with all Jagex's years of loyalty to us they would just ruin the game in 3 months. Perhaps this is just a phase, or jagex is testing out the new giant game system they released several months ago. Perhaps jagex isn't telling us something. What if they went under new management? What if Andrew hired a professional game company to make their games now? This whole thing seems too low for even jagex to go. I can't believe this is happening.

 

 

 

Jagex mods, on behalf of alot of sensible-minded people, I (we) demand you tell us why you're releasing these crappy updates and ruining the game as we know it. You know why? You're not only getting rid of RWT's, you're also getting rid of the people who pay your paycheck, the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Didnt the ex-vice president of paypal become vice president of JaGeX recently (about 2 months ago) and one of his main targets was to stamp out RWT. Well there you go.

 

 

 

Also i like new updates and im looking forward to single combat pking being released soon. If you dont like it then quit.

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I've never heard anything about this. Care to give a link on where you read it?

 

 

 

It's true, I read it somewhere a while ago. I'll look for the link and post it here.

First of all, this isn't a rant, this is a mature discussion on the decisions of jagex offices, but not another one of those "omfg st0p maekin deas bad updaet freds".

 

 

 

If an employee from jagex is viewing this, please read this over carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

With the recent updates, many players are obviously ranting and rioting. But does anyone care to look at the other side? I don't suppose with all Jagex's years of loyalty to us they would just ruin the game in 3 months. Perhaps this is just a phase, or jagex is testing out the new giant game system they released several months ago. Perhaps jagex isn't telling us something. What if they went under new management? What if Andrew hired a professional game company to make their games now? This whole thing seems too low for even jagex to go. I can't believe this is happening.

 

 

 

Jagex mods, on behalf of alot of sensible-minded people, I (we) demand you tell us why you're releasing these crappy updates and ruining the game as we know it. You know why? You're not only getting rid of RWT's, you're also getting rid of the people who pay your paycheck, the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Didnt the ex-vice president of paypal become vice president of JaGeX recently (about 2 months ago) and one of his main targets was to stamp out RWT. Well there you go.

 

 

 

Also i like new updates and im looking forward to single combat pking being released soon. If you dont like it then quit.

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I've never heard anything about this. Care to give a link on where you read it?

 

 

 

I dont remember where i read it as it was about 2 months ago. It was definitely a fansite but which one i dont know. I will try to find the link anyway.

the most loyal people to the game, US MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Non-paying players can't be more loyal that paying members? Come on. I don't have the means to pay membership fees (a visa card for instance), but you know what? I pay JaGex buy playing with ads on my screen! I could put up an ad blocker, face bans and THEN I'd not be loyal!

 

 

 

I just hope you stop being paranoid. Either play the game as it is, and learn to enjoy it, or quit. No one can make you enjoy a game, and they are doing what they see best not only for the bottom line of the company, but also for the players.

 

 

 

In past years, JaGeX had multiplayer games on their main page (chess/checkers etc etc) which have been "in development" for quite some time now. They are throwing a lot of their cash and staff time (if not all) at Runescape.

Change the title to 'Jagex, you didn't only get rid of RWT!'. This is the last update that will ever be made to combat RWT, because RWT has been essentially annihilated.

 

 

 

If you read the development diary on RWT, you would know that the effects RWT would have on the game if it were allowed to continue would be far worse than the alleged negative consequences of this update. Jagex had no choice but to stop it completely. That's not to say that they did the absolute best job that they possibly could, because the upcoming updates they announced last week don't quite cover the damages. The 30k upper limit needs to be changed to about 300k, which would still keep RWT at bay but allow us, the players, more freedom.

 

 

 

Jagex made this update with the members of RuneScape in mind. On their post on Dec. 13, they said, "A solution was needed as soon as possible, so we had to come up with the one thing that would successfully stop real-world traders ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ stopping unbalanced trade. It will be tough for law-abiding players, but it will also be tough for us, as we will certainly not be gaining money or members with this update. Instead, we are doing this for the good of the game, which is as dear to our hearts as it is to you."

 

 

 

And at the end of the development diary on RWT, Jagex talked about the good that will come. Now that they've eliminated the biggest problem facing the game, Jagex can now concentrate their resources on updates, and their CS on helping players. This update had its bad, certainly, but it was neccasary, and in the distant future I'm sure that we'll look back and realize that it was one of the best things Jagex has ever done for the game.

 

 

 

The one and only reason for these updates was to squash RWT.

Economically speaking, I don't see how this was a good deal for Jagex. They were getting some cash for Real World Traders who were members. Their free to play areas were populated with tons of bots, that probably didn't have ad blockers. Jagex was profiting from the cheaters.

 

 

 

I truly believe that Jagex was doing this to improve the game perhaps to get the game more mainstream? Maybe they are cleaning it up to make it more presentable?

 

 

 

Why else would a company risk losing the cash from cheaters and honest players who did not like the update? I think perhaps they are going to start advertising this game stronger and make a move to a bigger audience. It is just my guess.

Why else would a company risk losing the cash from cheaters and honest players who did not like the update? I think perhaps they are going to start advertising this game stronger and make a move to a bigger audience. It is just my guess.

 

 

 

I will say that Jagex doing all these just because it will withdraw from RuneScape very soon and thus to make this opportunity to get rip of the F2p (making F2p so worse off and force them to get membership)

 

 

 

Of caz, I dont mean they will withdraw Runescape tomorrow or some months later, but maybe 2 - 3 years in the future. They are just commercial company and plz dont expect them really 'love' runescape as we do.

 

 

 

And after they withdraw Runescape, maybe they are gona concentrate on the new 'MechScape' which they think it may help them make some more big money

My God, just because YOU don't like these updates, doesn't mean other do. You're actions may be the same with others, but not all. People riot and rant about every update. It's human nature. You cannot please everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

The world doesn't revolve around you and you're ideas. Just because you may be leaving doesn't mean Runescape is coming to halt.

 

 

 

 

 

A Local Guy is right. Calm down and wait it out, or just quit.

while i agree with you i dont complain i dislike these changes, but i wanna see where all of this ends up...

MadMax is right about 1 thing. People that have quit/are quitting over the updates always act as if the game is "ending very soon" - and it's just because they are quitting, runescape is NOT ending at all. There WILL be new updates for pvp and the trade system (or at least the g.e.) within this year and the next. You have to wait for good things...

Are you even aware what a self-righteous [bleep]ing idiot you sound like?? "I DEMAND YOU TELL US...."?? If you don't like it, don't play, it's really that simple.